Would this kick-off ww3?

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#1
This is likely not going to happen. As our "allies" probably wouldnt support this type of action. Its been discussed here and you know has likely crossed trumps mind a time or two..

What would be the impacts? China could retaliate pretty heavily, stopping critical exports to the US...namely drugs and other essentials.

Would escalate quickly IMO.

www.breitbart.com

Gordon Chang: Seize China's U.S. Treasury Holdings in Conjunction with Allies

Alongside its allies, America should seize China's holdings of U.S. Treasury and other state treasuries' obligations, said Gordon Chang.
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#2
No.

All the worlds money right now is smoke and mirrors.

What it would do is make the world the new Cypress.

Any value on shit today would reset to reflect its true value.

Some previously expensive things will be worthless, some previously worthless things will be priceless.

There will be a ton of pain but if we drew into Fortress America and became conservative we would do all right.

Might kick off an internal civil war but Im not thinking WWIII.
 
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Current trajectory, china wins. China starts a war, that win is in doubt.

The US debt that china holds is less than the fed gov spent in giveaways last week. Take it and otherwise stay the course, china will be your children's master. China doesn't need to shoot us to conquer us. We're giving them all the help they need.
 
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MtnCreek said:
Might result in the dollar getting replaced as world's reserve currency, which happens to be a major goal of the chicoms.
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Not just the Chicoms. The globalists as well.

From the article:
U.N. report released this week, which suggests the dollar's outsize role in international finance has ended -- and says that it's time to invent a successor currency that would be managed by a "Global Reserve Bank."

Countries could "agree to exchange their own currencies for the new currency, so that the global currency would be backed by a basket of currencies of all the members," says the 218-page report from the U.N. Conference on Trade and Development.
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www.cbsnews.com

United Nations Proposes New "Global Currency"

U.N. Trade And Development Agency Sees The Decline Of The Dollar And The Rise Of a "Global Reserve Bank"
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
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MtnCreek said:
Take it and otherwise stay the course, china will be your children's master.
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Agree with this 100%. But if the actions were taken by the US and our allies, I do not think staying the course would be possible. You do not think that action would lead to a cascade of reactions?
 
#8
I think that's a big if. Elites / politicians in the developed world are making tons (literally) off business with china. The developing / third world is partly owned by the chicoms.
 
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MtnCreek said:
I think that's a big if. Elites / politicians in the developed world are making tons (literally) off business with china. The developing / third world is partly owned by the chicoms.
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Yes, as I said the US allies would likely not support this action for a variety of reasons. The question was if they did and what impacts it would have.
 
#10
One world currency, The Beast, The Mark, end of days biblical shit.

If currency collapses he who has the gold rules. So just hope we still have those 8-9 thousand tons of it we are supposed to have. Germany is #2 so they are the plum to be picked in Europe. Any war in Europe goes through Germany. That is if we actually ever did return their gold we were holding.
 
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OldSalty said:
Yes, as I said the US allies would likely not support this action for a variety of reasons. The question was if they did and what impacts it would have.
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If the world lined up against the chicoms economically (not likely), they would not turn that into a shooting war. JMHO
 
#12
I may be way off, but don't think China is as strong as many here give them credit for. Either militarily or economically.

Would we suffer for some time if the relation with China was severed? Yes, but that's coming anyway. We did years of quantitative easing to fatten the banks and devalue our own Currency so we could repay debt with cheap dollars and then threatened China for doing the same thing. It's all a show from all the political class assholes worldwide.

The currency of choice down the road is likely to be food, water and bullets. At least for a short while. Edit: an maybe toilet paper?
 
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I wonder how "safe" the reserve banks would be with a chicom dominated world...?

Would chicoms support a "global" currency? Eventually perhaps, one they control...
 
#14
WWIII will likely be mostly a mid east power play although there could be something going on in the pacific.

If anything the tensions We are seeing now are strengthening the alliances we will see in WWIII.

Those mofos aligning against us would like to get their hands on our bread basket there Is no doubt.
 
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FatBoy said:
I may be way off, but don't think China is as strong as many here give them credit for. Either militarily or economically.

Would we suffer for some time if the relation with China was severed? Yes, but that's coming anyway. We did years of quantitative easing to fatten the banks and devalue our own Currency so we could repay debt with cheap dollars and then threatened China for doing the same thing. It's all a show from all the political class assholes worldwide.

The currency of choice down the road is likely to be food, water and bullets. At least for a short while. Edit: an maybe toilet paper?
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Lump them together with Russia, Iran, and Jihadi Jane and you got a formidable opponent.
 
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The BIGGEST fallacy out there is who is holding the lion's share of American's debt. 1st. Clue: NOT China. 2nd Clue: NOT any other nation OR individual. 3rd and last clue: Go look in the mirror. Yes YOU! And me, and anyone else who has paid into SS. That's the chest they raid time and time again. They sure do like you to believe it's China though. ?
 
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China doesn't have the capability to fight a conventional war much beyond its border's or the near region they occupy (South China Sea, Spartly Islands, etc.). They have a fairly large military in numbers of personnel and equipment, but without the capability to project beyond an internal or defensive campaign, would make China a direct non-threat to the USA.

Just look at history, failures of Napoleon and Hitler are good examples.
 
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Alpine 338 said:
China doesn't have the capability to fight a conventional war much beyond its border's or the near region they occupy (South China Sea, Spartly Islands, etc.). They have a fairly large military in numbers of personnel and equipment, but without the capability to project beyond an internal or defensive campaign, would make China a direct non-threat to the USA.

Just look at history, failures of Napoleon and Hitler are good examples.
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Hitler/Napoleon fought Land Power vs Land Power - it was an equation solely of force and numbers.

China = Land Power

US = Sea Power

In the end our maneuverability/tech should beat them.

The tough thing would be getting this country to accept "the hate".

The cost in life would be huge.

Unsure if America could stand to see its military treat the Chinese people like a "wet market".

Those losses will be both ways but theirs to ours will be magnitudes higher.

It would be a war with absolutely no quarter.

China would have little concern for the losses until the populations are almost equalized.
 
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FS1 said:
One world currency, The Beast, The Mark, end of days biblical shit.

If currency collapses he who has the gold rules. So just hope we still have those 8-9 thousand tons of it we are supposed to have. Germany is #2 so they are the plum to be picked in Europe. Any war in Europe goes through Germany. That is if we actually ever did return their gold we were holding.
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Cant eat gold.
He who can produce the most food to feed the hungry, and keep it secure from scavengers, rules, as long as they have the arms to protect the food and themselves.
 
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the most the Us government could do would be to seize chines assets like gold or money and maybe a few other things maybe a trillion dollars or so and no citizen would ever see a dime of that politicians would more likely pocket that money and in the end it would do nothing to prevent china from repeating this type of behavior in the future .
other countries could do similar things but again Its a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of this pandemic . Its on the same lines that Us based companies could start making ppe again, but you know in 9 months or so those newly created jobs would be sent back over seas again its just not profitable to compete with countries that run state sponsored jobs under near sweat shop conditions would you work for 36 cents a day or less , I know I could not afford to . the best thing that could come out of this mess is people taking a harder look at how there states waist their tax dollars and maybe force political officials to be more responsible for there conduct or misconduct . If the government imposed a monetary penalty you could be dam sure you as a consumer would foot the bill in extra cost and as its the option that requires the least amout of actually though its more likey to be the action our government and others take they are deathly allergic to work ...
 
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pmclaine said:
China = Land Power

US = Sea Power

In the end our maneuverability/tech should beat them.
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Only path to the CONUS is via Alaska or Mexico and neither of those paths are workable while our maneuver is in place.

Once the strength of our maneuver is down, at the command of a new king they (the global alliance) will take the path of Alaska because Russia is already there.

When that happens, they won't penetrate far. They will be pummeled by the Man above with natural disaster as they reach the northern hills and valleys of AK.

We are largely safe in place except for the internal conflict and saboteurs.

Y'all think I'm crazy which is fine.

Watch.
 
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#29
nope not even close death on any scale is just everyday population control so even if the the worst happened just sleep sound knowing your government will go on and prosper safe in there fortified bunkers stocked with everything they need including anything you have that they want . Good times are a coming :oops::oops::LOL:
 
#32
Some funny shit here. Guess it all depend upon your prospective, of what true worth is. Is the fruits of the farmers no matter what size farm worth more than money can buy. Bet your ass it is,.. as long as said farmer can keep 100% control. During the depression there were many stories of farmers killing crops an live stock, because the powers to be were just going to take his fruits for the betterment of all. Interesting,...now the fucks who started the shit in the first place are now saying we need what you have so therefore us being who we are will just take it. My kin told uncle to fuck off an salted 600 acres as did many more of our kin in Indiana, Texas, Ohio, & Arkansas. As the movement grew an went on, only then did the game change. Those are simple facts most never heard, an no one wants to talk about. as uncle had to back his fucking truck up an did not like it at all.
Food an water are the two most powerful currency's on this rock, always have been & always will be,...until they find a way to control O2,...

This is just the tip of the coming iceberg
internewscast.com

Food bank in Queens has a quarter-mile-long line as 10,000 families a week look for help - Internewscast

The owner of a food bank in Queens, where the line for free food stretches a quarter of a mile long at weekends, has said he is struggling to keep up with
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Yeah, I can only imagine those people who lost their jobs, who live paycheck to paycheck, who can't even file for unemployment because the system is overwhelmed, and waiting on their $1200. Right now the food banks are struggling, and then another month???
 
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Gold (or any mineral commodity) or printed cash only has the value a government can insure.
Ahh, the Confederate money in 1865, the reichmark in 19xx, Venezuelan currency recently, even gold bullion, you cant eat it, OR use it to buy food , unless 'some' bigger stable government guarantees it.

How did that work in Venezuela. ...

And how much gold are those food line people forking over....

Life is interesting.
 
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j-huskey said:
Gold (or any mineral commodity) or printed cash only has the value a government can insure.
Ahh, the Confederate money in 1865, the reichmark in 19xx, Venezuelan currency recently, even gold bullion, you cant eat it, OR use it to buy food , unless 'some' bigger stable government guarantees it.

How did that work in Venezuela. ...

And how much gold are those food line people forking over....

Life is interesting.
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Women are going to rule the world........

if they are strong enough to hold on to their valued real estate after the transaction
 
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Not worth an effort , as it just might result in the dollar ending the role of reserve currency , day that happens the debt you have becomes a huge issue.
At present the dollars role in the world enables FED to print endless quantity out of thin air , any US admin to spend it all without things going of the rails . Dollar is US greatest export , if that stops ,really hard times follow - collapse of soviet union syle event. Folks have no idea how much of a free ride Dollars role in the world enables for US economy.
 
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This will get WW III kicked off if it goes thru as planned. Those w/o final preps & plans might be screwed this go round,...

www.breitbart.com

Steve Mosher: Waive China's Sovereign Immunity, Seize Its Assets

America should seize China's U.S.-based assets and remove its sovereign immunity as compensation for the coronavirus, advised Steve Mosher.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
 
#43
So China holds about $1.1 trillion of US T-bills. We could go ahead and write that off, but since T-bills are fungable and since the they are only worth anything because of the Full Faith and Credit of the United States government, wiping out the value of any Treasury bond pretty much wipes out the value of all of them. So cool; we put China in the hole by another trillion (which doesn't exactly sink 'em), and we screw over our allies such as Japan (who holds about $1 trillion), the UK ($325 billion or so), and Switerland ($250B). We also fuck over a number of US pension funds, which hold nearly $3 trillion worth of T-bills, mutual funds (another $2T), and private investors like Grandma ($2T).

That's a lot of self-inflected damage just for the sake of spiting China. I hope that we have better ideas.
 
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MtnCreek said:
Current trajectory, china wins. China starts a war, that win is in doubt.

The US debt that china holds is less than the fed gov spent in giveaways last week. Take it and otherwise stay the course, china will be your children's master. China doesn't need to shoot us to conquer us. We're giving them all the help they need.
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Time for us to change that, and reverse that course.
 
#47
Stupid ideas abound


The United States should issue letters of marque to fight Chinese aggression at sea.
www.usni.org

Unleash the Privateers!

The threat of privateers to China’s maritime economy could strengthen deterrence and possibly prevent a war.
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www.usni.org

U.S. Privateering Is Legal

Though some have argued privateering is illegal, U.S. privateering is lawful under U.S. and international law.
www.usni.org www.usni.org
 
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Tazman said:
I don't say a lot about this stuff but it appears Barr/Durham may be going after them so the are desperate and will try anything at this point but not sure.
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I think they have already tried everything, to an inch xtraordinary extent

The next thing will be Antifa.
 
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