Real proof that masks don’t work

I am not a Doctor. But I am listening to them. And maybe a little research on what you post is in order.
Note: Washington Times is a right wing paper. The WaPo is the lefty one.


Hey my not wearing a mask is not negligent disregard, just a little mischief.
 
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Guess it comes down to what value to place of the lives of the sick, weak and older people.

So why did we decriminalize a person infected with AIDs knowingly/willingly having unprotected sex?

Why is it inhumane to require illegals and people coming into the country to meet some sort of health standard?

Why do we let those with TB, Hep to engage in intravenous habits sure to spread their contagion?
 
Interesting. Mocks people for wearing a mask to help try to stop the spread of a disease that has already killed over 200,000 Americans this year.
Then mocks Obama for doing nothing with a disease that killed 90,000 Americans.

Maybe the two weeks to flatten the curve would have worked if people listened and acted smartly. But to many had to ignore the advice and go out and be in large groups. Or not wear their masks. Or just thumb their noses because they had to be 'free'. And guess where we got? The Government has had to pass laws or executive orders to keep safe. Thank you Mr Live Free or Die. Your 'disobedience' gave the Government the reason to pass more laws. Good job.
Fucking do some research, 9k for covid(per CDC) alone. It was other issues that killed the other 191k. jesus fucking christ.
 
Fucking do some research, 9k for covid(per CDC) alone. It was other issues that killed the other 191k. jesus fucking christ.
The CDC classifies deaths as "Associated with Covid-19". Which means that the person had Covid and died. It does not mention the underlying/pre-existing health crisis that these people had. It skews the data.

The number that CNN, NY TIMES, WA PO, WSJ....et al. use is the total number of deaths where the individual tested positive, or was presumed positive for Covid. They use this number for the fear factor, and to make Trump look bad.
 
Not really about their effectiveness, its we were told 14 days to flatten the curve, 6 months ago.

Are you allowed to conceal or open carry in your state while wearing a mask.....

Is it your small business that was destroyed by the govt shutting everything down....

Did you miss a funeral because gatherings weren't allowed....

Were you denied your right to religion from this.....

Did you also watch these "politicians" do whatever they wanted even though they told you, you couldnt.....

Did you have a relative murdered by having them put into a nursing home filled with covid...

It's not about a fucking mask at this point. It's about us losing our rights overnight......

Doc
The facts are that the CDC's own mortality rates are showing 99.8%+ of people survive if they are under 50. Go to 60 and it's like 99.5%, 70 is 96%.
I think two things played into this: 1) NY and other libtard states putting sick people in nursing homes and other acute care facilities skewed the early death rate numbers (on purpose), 2) Due to "1" we really didn't know the mortality rate effects until those numbers fell out of the moving average.

It's obvious that there is risk of dying if one isn't in good health...I know...say it isn't so. However, that's the very definition of not being in good health - ones mortality rate goes up!!! Good grief.

I know my libtard neighbors worry not only about mortality rate but morbidity rate. But guess what....like I've said before. Life is risky - get over it. One could be walking around the street and a tree fall on them (much like Gov. Abbot of Tx).
 
Thank you for the helpful medical advice.

Oh, one question: Where did you earn your MD degree from again?

Where did you earn yours? If you have a degree, does that make you the be all end all source? Yep, supposed we are to ignore common sense in favor of people with special pieces of paper saying they're smart.

Any doctor going along with this shit show should be disgusted with themselves as medical professional. They need to go back to 7th grade and re-learn the scientific method and basic statistics.

Bottom line, if you believe in the Sugar Plum Fairy and COVID19 as a deadly killer, stay home and continue your ignorance on your own.
 
Yea no one wants to watch a loved one die but then again, I told my wife she can put me down if I sneeze more than 3 times in a five minute period. She said no, but only so that I can suffer...not out of some weird emotional attachment 😂

Dude turbulence is the best on cross-ocean flights. You see some real fear in eyes of it lasts more than a few shakes 😂

First Covid 19 is real. I believe there is a virus.

Next is the tin foil zone.

Rahm Emmanuel "Never let a crisis go to waste"

The Communist Party is caught red handed conducting a coup.

If Trumpy can actually get his foot far enough up the ass of the Deep State to make them do something some high power people will be shown to be guilty of capital crimes.

I fear the deep state coup and what it means to my quality of life more than I do CV19.

Everything the coup has tried to kill Trump has failed.

CV19 was latched on to so as to destroy the economy and blunt Trump inevitable march to re-election. It has allowed them to strengthen their election stealing game with mail in voting.

I dont accept my kids deaths even while I may accept my own. I got a kid that is "at risk".

She is more at risk from a fractured society than from Covid 19.

The BLM marxists are in line with the political Communists - dont let a crisis go to waste.

Their example in Portland, Seattle, Kenosha (before KR rained on the fire), and Louisville portends a death sentence for a daughter dependent on a stable society and timely production of medicines.

You people living in fear and wearing your masks, quarantining, doing as the ministry of new speak tells you better hold on to your asses because what comes next will paralyze you with fear.

Instead of a spray can inside the styrofoam head change it to a 9mm held by a communist and tell me, relatively speaking, which is the greater fear?
 
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There is a possibility this is a test. The results will be used to determine how cooperative the public will be to following gov’t mandates. “How many sheep do we have?”

Bil Ayres, who I am sure is invested in all that is going on, thinks there will be 325M sheep.

The other 25 million Americans?

He has an answer for that.....



Edit/Add - Actually my numbers are off population was only 250M back than. Add another 10-20M to the ovens.

If that 35 million right now were vocal and willing to march this would be put right tomorrow.

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956
 
Hospitals are paid for every death Covid related. Even if unrelated. Local hood rat was killed in evading police car crash recently in my area. Listed as Covid death. Hospital demanded it. Only way they were paid. I know the officer involved.
 
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When I eat corned beef and cabbage I get the @IrishWind s. That wind even smells better than his ramblings.
oooh. Racism. Thanks for helping the liberals paint gun owners as KKK types. And here is a history lesson. The KKK also targeted the Irish too. I won't bother asking if you cut up your sheets and hang with Gov. Northam of Virginia.
 
oooh. Racism. Thanks for helping the liberals paint gun owners as KKK types. And here is a history lesson. The KKK also targeted the Irish too. I won't bother asking if you cut up your sheets and hang with Gov. Northam of Virginia.


Irish is not a race.

Likely you and the commenter are of the same race.

Self hate?

Fuck your Irish hymen...


There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.”“This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”“But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.”“The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.”“The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”

Theodore Roosevelt
Address to the Knights of Columbus
New York City- October 12th, 1915
 
Hospitals are paid for every death Covid related. Even if unrelated. Local hood rat was killed in a. At crash recently in my area. Listed as Covid death. Hospital demanded it. Only way they were paid. I know the officer involved.


Paying for our own demise........
 
So the next injury/death from a negligent discharge of a weapon is just 'mischief', not you are a fucking dumbass? Got it.


You are making false arguments.

The govt already has mandated I not shoot people and I have accepted that prohibition on my "freedom" to go around town wildly firing at people.

Odd they dont hold their supporters of late to that same standard, nor masking for that matter.
 
So why did we decriminalize a person infected with AIDs knowingly/willingly having unprotected sex?

Why is it inhumane to require illegals and people coming into the country to meet some sort of health standard?

Why do we let those with TB, Hep to engage in intravenous habits sure to spread their contagion?
Agree, knowingly transmitting aids is still a criminal offence here, and all immigrants to Aus
are screened carefully. Junkies here get free needles to stop transmission. I have to remind
myself things are different in the US.
 
Glad you accept the Government can mandate you not to shoot people. So you should also accept the same government telling you to put on a fucking mask.

But hey, this meme sums you up right now:
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Irish is not a race.

Likely you and the commenter are of the same race.

Self hate?

Fuck your Irish hymen...


There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.”“This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.”“But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.”“The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.”“The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.”

Theodore Roosevelt
Address to the Knights of Columbus
New York City- October 12th, 1915
Some of Teddy's best prose

R
 
Glad you accept the Government can mandate you not to shoot people. So you should also accept the same government telling you to put on a fucking mask.

But hey, this meme sums you up right now:
Ed6VQpAWoAAt0W8.jpg

How much will you accept if you will accept them telling business not to conduct business, destroy whole sectors of the economy (cruise ships/air travel/child care/public education), turn homes into places of work, and to put a star on top have you wear a mask that with no standards, no training, no protocols for use are guaranteed to be useless.........?

How much will you accept?

The next mandate will be for you to get on your knees and you will willingly oblige, with mouth agape.

Fucking Romans had to build a wall to separate themselves from the Gaels, Picts and Scots because even despite the Legions enjoyment of inflicting Roman rule brutally they couldn't handle the bizarre those people were willing to go to in resisting their attempts to take their freedom.

What happened to you?
 
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The mask is not only for your protection, it protects others if you are a carrier without symptoms.

Masks do save lives. That’s why physicians wear them.

Note: I am not a lefty commie. And, I voted for Trump.
Um, no.
If you believe this then you also believe that every square millimeter of every window, Shelf, store item needs to be thoroughly sanitized and scrubbed. As does the air going in and out of the store.
 
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Fuck masks and fuck anyone telling me to wear one. If my breath kills you, then your a weak little bitch that needed to be purged from the gene pool.

what ever happen to not relying on government to protect us? I was my hands, I keep away from people naturally. Do my best to keep my kids clean and stay home when we are sick. If that’s not enough self governing for you mask Nazis you can stay the fuck home and hide.

This is all about conditioning us for maximum control. We are sacrificing essential liberty for False government security... bad bad bad

we all die sooner or later, it’s just death


Gaia has a fever.

CV19 is just Gaia's way of bringing balance back to nature.

White Sharks on Cape Cod and bigger Alpha predator populations out west were not getting the numbers needed to bring balance.

Should we really interfere with Gaia's desires buy wearing masks?
 
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But if it saves just one life.........
That’s one expensive life. 😂
#OneIsTooMuch
#JustSayNoToCovid

If I can identify as a gender fluid being, I can identify as someone who is immune.

Also, I don’t know why people aren’t just stating “I’m sorry but I have a medical condition that prohibits me from wearing a mask.” As long as they aren’t on private or government property, no one can force them to put one on then. ...and HIPAA has your back.
 
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Being informed is just that. Getting facts and sources from multiple places is more important than just the ones you like. Especially when the ones you like are far-right/alt-right conspiracy clowns.

Take Doc68's numbers (IIRC the actual straight COVID deaths are 19k, but lets use Doc68s numbers for arguments sake). Of the 191k+ COVID related deaths, how many would have lived but for the COVID? How many were on the way to recovery from the pre-existing illness but struck down by this virus? Cancer survivors don't all look like they were just rescued from a Nazi concentration camp. But the treatments do destroy their immune systems. So while they might look healthy and take the Dr's precautions, COVID kind of tossed even those out the window. I have a family member just finish radiation for their cancer when this pandemic broke. But for radiation burns that is easily covered up, you would never guess they just finished treatments. So listening to people with white lab coats and fancy degrees on the wall makes a lot more sense than some strangers on a website who can't even produce a peer reviewed article to support their claims. Or worse have to resort to racist comments as a rebuttal.
 
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Um, no.
If you believe this then you also believe that every square millimeter of every window, Shelf, store item needs to be thoroughly sanitized and scrubbed. As does the air going in and out of the store.

Do you know how the flu is spread? SARS?

These viruses are spread by respiratory droplets. Coughing, Sneezing, and Speaking all spread these viruses. Droplets land on hard surfaces and can remain for a period of time.

This is not a theory, this is fact.

We can agree to disagree. We are all friends here.
 
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Being informed is just that. Getting facts and sources from multiple places is more important than just the ones you like. Especially when the ones you like are far-right/alt-right conspiracy clowns.

Take Doc68's numbers (IIRC the actual straight COVID deaths are 19k, but lets use Doc68s numbers for arguments sake). Of the 191k+ COVID related deaths, how many would have lived but for the COVID? How many were on the way to recovery from the pre-existing illness but struck down by this virus? Cancer survivors don't all look like they were just rescued from a Nazi concentration camp. But the treatments do destroy their immune systems. So while they might look healthy and take the Dr's precautions, COVID kind of tossed even those out the window. I have a family member just finish radiation for their cancer when this pandemic broke. But for radiation burns that is easily covered up, you would never guess they just finished treatments. So listening to people with white lab coats and fancy degrees on the wall makes a lot more sense than some strangers on a website who can't even produce a peer reviewed article to support their claims. Or worse have to resort to racist comments as a rebuttal.
Would that be the same lab coats that are selling Global warming?
Could you quote the racist comment for me, I think I missed it.

R
 
That’s one expensive life. 😂
#OneIsTooMuch
#JustSayNoToCovid

If I can identify as a gender fluid being, I can identify as someone who is immune.

Also, I don’t know why people aren’t just stating “I’m sorry but I have a medical condition that prohibits me from wearing a mask.” As long as they aren’t on private or government property, no one can force them to put one on then. ...and HIPAA has your back.


If that person identifies as they/theirs how can we determine how many masks they/theirs needs?
 
Being informed is just that. Getting facts and sources from multiple places is more important than just the ones you like. Especially when the ones you like are far-right/alt-right conspiracy clowns.

Take Doc68's numbers (IIRC the actual straight COVID deaths are 19k, but lets use Doc68s numbers for arguments sake). Of the 191k+ COVID related deaths, how many would have lived but for the COVID? How many were on the way to recovery from the pre-existing illness but struck down by this virus? Cancer survivors don't all look like they were just rescued from a Nazi concentration camp. But the treatments do destroy their immune systems. So while they might look healthy and take the Dr's precautions, COVID kind of tossed even those out the window. I have a family member just finish radiation for their cancer when this pandemic broke. But for radiation burns that is easily covered up, you would never guess they just finished treatments. So listening to people with white lab coats and fancy degrees on the wall makes a lot more sense than some strangers on a website who can't even produce a peer reviewed article to support their claims. Or worse have to resort to racist comments as a rebuttal.

I can play your game...

How many young couples just getting to a point where they saved enough for a home down payment were forced into unemployment and had to spend down their savings perhaps changing their life trajectory forever?

How many people had recovered from some dependency than were forced back into dependency?

How many people had a colonoscopy or derm appointment scheduled in March and now 6 month later are being told "If we had only caught this sooner we could have saved you...."

How many seniors have just gave up from lonliness because their social life at the local coffe shop was prohibited by Covid?

How many formerly successful business owners walked into the woods with a gun depressed at the failure of their lifes work?

How many marriages are stressed because kids are not being schooled, finances are tight and the lack of "escape" is wearing on the relationship?

How many home finances are tight because instead of the employer paying for electricity, heat, housekeeping, wear and tear, those burdens have been trasferred to the "work at home worker".

How many of those work at home workers are now working more hours because there is no defined seperation of work and home life?

How many mortgage holders will get their investments foreclosed because renters no longer have to pay rent?

How many kids are dropping behind in their education because on line learning is a joke?

Shall we go on?

Misery is relative. One is not worse than the other. each person experiencing it is harmed by their misery.

Why do you stay here if we are so stupid?

Move along with your mask.
 
Would that be the same lab coats that are selling Global warming?
Could you quote the racist comment for me, I think I missed it.

R

Where do you go when you have a broken bone? Or a serious laceration? Or sick from a highly contagious disease?
I know where I don't go to: Some idiot on the radio selling air purifiers to clean the air of chemicals the government puts in the air via contrails from planes.
But nice apples to oranges comparison over climate change. Which I don't believe in. But I do think we should be doing better to protect our planet.

You are right pmclaine that the Government fumbled this bad. Both sides were to quick to play partisan games instead of plotting out a course of action. And it doesn't help that people cry like little babies over wearing a mask, washing their hands, and postponing trips to the store for things they don't really need, and skipping going to gatherings all because you have rights. This attitude of the government can't tell me what to do is why the government has to step in and shut things down. Yes you have rights, but you also have responsibilities. And if people can't act responsibly, then what really separates 'us' from ANTIFA and their bullshit? And we seem to be onboard with the government trying to end ANTIFA's violence?
 
I read this entire thread just for the entertainment value. Some of you guys are wound up tighter than a cheap watch. If it will help you to feel better, feel free to tell me to fuck off and mind my own business.
 
Where do you go when you have a broken bone? Or a serious laceration? Or sick from a highly contagious disease?
I know where I don't go to: Some idiot on the radio selling air purifiers to clean the air of chemicals the government puts in the air via contrails from planes.
But nice apples to oranges comparison over climate change. Which I don't believe in. But I do think we should be doing better to protect our planet.

You are right pmclaine that the Government fumbled this bad. Both sides were to quick to play partisan games instead of plotting out a course of action. And it doesn't help that people cry like little babies over wearing a mask, washing their hands, and postponing trips to the store for things they don't really need, and skipping going to gatherings all because you have rights. This attitude of the government can't tell me what to do is why the government has to step in and shut things down. Yes you have rights, but you also have responsibilities. And if people can't act responsibly, then what really separates 'us' from ANTIFA and their bullshit? And we seem to be onboard with the government trying to end ANTIFA's violence?
Where do I go when I'm not sick?
You talk of injuries that are easliy noticed/diagnosed.
Apples and oranges indeed.
Who exactly is/was talking about contrails/chemicals in the air?
How about this one:
"Yes you have rights but also responsibilities" parallel argument for this "I don't feel safe knowing you own
an AR15(weapon of war)" I don't think you can act responsible with it or ones like it.
Just do the responsible thing and let the government handle these weapons when needed.
I'm only responsible for myself and family, I'll let everyone else do the same.

R
 
Where did you earn yours? If you have a degree, does that make you the be all end all source? Yep, supposed we are to ignore common sense in favor of people with special pieces of paper saying they're smart.

Any doctor going along with this shit show should be disgusted with themselves as medical professional. They need to go back to 7th grade and re-learn the scientific method and basic statistics.

Bottom line, if you believe in the Sugar Plum Fairy and COVID19 as a deadly killer, stay home and continue your ignorance on your own.


Mengele was a doctor........just sayin.
 
You are right pmclaine that the Government fumbled this bad. Both sides were to quick to play partisan games instead of plotting out a course of action. And it doesn't help that people cry like little babies over wearing a mask, washing their hands, and postponing trips to the store for things they don't really need, and skipping going to gatherings all because you have rights. This attitude of the government can't tell me what to do is why the government has to step in and shut things down. Yes you have rights, but you also have responsibilities. And if people can't act responsibly, then what really separates 'us' from ANTIFA and their bullshit? And we seem to be onboard with the government trying to end ANTIFA's violence?

The Deep State government gives no fucks for your health.

This was intentionally fumbled because Orange Man bad.

Realize that and your chains will be broken.

Are you another one of the recently naturalized Brits?

PS - The government has done dick to end Antifa violence if you havent noticed.

It could be ended in seconds and they can do it easily with absolutely no force.

They do it to us all the time.....

Turn off the funding.
 
I can play your game...

How many young couples just getting to a point where they saved enough for a home down payment were forced into unemployment and had to spend down their savings perhaps changing their life trajectory forever?

How many people had recovered from some dependency than were forced back into dependency?

How many people had a colonoscopy or derm appointment scheduled in March and now 6 month later are being told "If we had only caught this sooner we could have saved you...."

How many seniors have just gave up from lonliness because their social life at the local coffe shop was prohibited by Covid?

How many formerly successful business owners walked into the woods with a gun depressed at the failure of their lifes work?

How many marriages are stressed because kids are not being schooled, finances are tight and the lack of "escape" is wearing on the relationship?

How many home finances are tight because instead of the employer paying for electricity, heat, housekeeping, wear and tear, those burdens have been trasferred to the "work at home worker".

How many of those work at home workers are now working more hours because there is no defined seperation of work and home life?

How many mortgage holders will get their investments foreclosed because renters no longer have to pay rent?

How many kids are dropping behind in their education because on line learning is a joke?

Shall we go on?

Misery is relative. One is not worse than the other. each person experiencing it is harmed by their misery.

Why do you stay here if we are so stupid?

Move along with your mask.


THIS right here...

The social and psychological ramifications of the lockdowns are only just starting to be felt, and they will be felt for years and even decades afterwards. We are seeing friendships being strained, siblings and families torn apart by conflicting views on the "pandemic control". The economical aspect is far, far worse and can very well be a catalyst to near future outright military conflicts in the Yugoslavian and Ukrainian style. Any student of history will know that groups of hungry and financially desperate people form the backbone of new political factions, rebel armies, and new governments/states/empires...
 
Here's hoping no one in your family doesn't get sick from this. It is a shitty way to die. But maybe when you meet the anti-mask wearing person that gave your deceased loved one COVID you can bond and become best buds with the person that killed your loved one.
 
Here's hoping no one in your family doesn't get sick from this. It is a shitty way to die. But maybe when you meet the anti-mask wearing person that gave your deceased loved one COVID you can bond and become best buds with the person that killed your loved one.
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More likely the guys in the white coats will fit this bill. ^^^

R
 
Do you know how the flu is spread? SARS?

These viruses are spread by respiratory droplets. Coughing, Sneezing, and Speaking all spread these viruses. Droplets land on hard surfaces and can remain for a period of time.

This is not a theory, this is fact.

We can agree to disagree. We are all friends here.
You are absolutely right. People that are contagious are blowing out the aerosol droplets around their mask nose cheek chin... Those droplets are landing on other surfaces that are not being sanitized... You're absolutely correct that's why the masks don't work