Should I buy this? Sig SG550 2Sp
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Looks like a older pre ban Sig. very cool rifle, worth a lot, idk more than $10k. I’d love to have one in the collection. San Swiss makes some of the best quality rifles I’ve owned.
If you aren’t meeting face to face be careful on the purchase, scammers galore out there when things are too good to be true
If you aren’t meeting face to face be careful on the purchase, scammers galore out there when things are too good to be true
One is about to sell on GB, here in about 11 minutes. It is right at 7860.00. I watched another one go for 8k about 12 days ago.
Since that one is unfired, and appears to have packaging, I believe 10k would be an appropriate price. They did not import very many of the 550's into the US, so what remains has quite a bit of value.
I used to own a 553P. The true SAN imports are very nice firearms. The triggers on them, IMHO, are outstanding.
ETA at 3800.00 buy it, like now, but I regret to inform you, it's probably a scam...
Fucking Arms List...
Since that one is unfired, and appears to have packaging, I believe 10k would be an appropriate price. They did not import very many of the 550's into the US, so what remains has quite a bit of value.
I used to own a 553P. The true SAN imports are very nice firearms. The triggers on them, IMHO, are outstanding.
ETA at 3800.00 buy it, like now, but I regret to inform you, it's probably a scam...
Fucking Arms List...
Looks like this guy is a scam... same gun listed on GB.
He had it listed locally on armslist, knew enough about my town to converse and even has a local area code. Bummer, but glad I figured it out now rather than later.
I had an opportunity to buy one awhile ago in person , but got an M107 instead. Kicking myself.
He had it listed locally on armslist, knew enough about my town to converse and even has a local area code. Bummer, but glad I figured it out now rather than later.
I had an opportunity to buy one awhile ago in person , but got an M107 instead. Kicking myself.
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Yes @Raptor429 it is a scam. I stay the fuck away from arms list for that very reason. I would venture to guess that at least half of the hardware advertised on that shitty site are scams.
The 550 he stole the pics from is going for 12k on GB...and that dude is very reputable. 12k is a bit on the high side, but unfired, in the box, is worth quite a bit to many collectors. Damn they are just super nice guns.
The 550 he stole the pics from is going for 12k on GB...and that dude is very reputable. 12k is a bit on the high side, but unfired, in the box, is worth quite a bit to many collectors. Damn they are just super nice guns.
The actual Swiss-manufactured rifles are probably the most superbly-crafted military rifles I’ve ever shot, disassembled, and inspected. Fit, feel, finish, bore quality, bolt, carrier, gas tube, piston, and small parts are works of art.
They’re a lot easier to find in Europe and much more affordable there. They are Kalashnikov designs at heart, but built by the Swiss. That’s like Koenigsegg building a Lada. I really like them though. Beautiful rifles.
They’re a lot easier to find in Europe and much more affordable there. They are Kalashnikov designs at heart, but built by the Swiss. That’s like Koenigsegg building a Lada. I really like them though. Beautiful rifles.
Early sig 550s (pre jdi and san) are going for 15-20k. One recently sold for $17 and change.
They are the Lamborghini of combat rifles.
They are the Lamborghini of combat rifles.
The actual Swiss-manufactured rifles are probably the most superbly-crafted military rifles I’ve ever shot, disassembled, and inspected. Fit, feel, finish, bore quality, bolt, carrier, gas tube, piston, and small parts are works of art.
They’re a lot easier to find in Europe and much more affordable there. They are Kalashnikov designs at heart, but built by the Swiss. That’s like Koenigsegg building a Lada. I really like them though. Beautiful rifles.
I don't know man... We had a couple in our arms room, I have a US 556, and at one point I bought a swiss parts kit and ran the swiss lower on my 556 and honestly really don't see at as anything other than a decent 556 AK. Personally was way more impressed by some of our Mp34's.
That’s exactly what it is a high quality 556 Ak.
You don’t buy the gun to get your bang for your buck, you buy it more as a collectors piece, that can work and get the job done if needed.
All of these rifles are hand built and the attention to detail is what makes these pistols so amazing. When it comes to military rifles imo the Swiss guns are top notch (San Swiss and Bt), followed by German guns (hk).
The us 55x guns were complete junk in comparison to the swiss and german guns. It really is the pinnicle of AKs, up there with the valmet. Built like a swiss watch with attention to detail very few firearms, especially combat rifles will get.
They are highly sought after and respected by many firearms experts and afficianados for a reason. The current JDI imports are a great deal considering you can get 553 in whatever barrel you want and 300blk if you want for less than $3400.
They are highly sought after and respected by many firearms experts and afficianados for a reason. The current JDI imports are a great deal considering you can get 553 in whatever barrel you want and 300blk if you want for less than $3400.
You’re comparing the Mp34 SMG to a real SIG550? Just wanted to make sure that wasn’t a typo.
Yeah, really liked that gun. Definitely made from a different era.
Honestly, the Swiss 550's don't do any for me.
They are smooth though.
Lol.
In no way can one compare a Swiss AK to a rolex
Its a nice 1980's service rifle.
I’m talking about the manufacturing quality, machining, precision of the dimensional uniformity on parts, fit, feel, and finish.
I’m not a fan of the AK design for a lot of reasons. The Swiss addressed the main failure points of that with how they mounted the barrel to the upper, and their recoil system. Ergonomics on the 550 series smoke the AK handily.
I’ve looked down the bores of a lot of different rifles from around the world, including ones we just don’t see in the US much.
I’ve never seen bores like what you see in a real SIG550.
Their finish is like an Hk electrostatic deposition but higher quality, very durable.
A lot of the parts, like the piston, bolt, and carrier look like lab-grade components.
I don’t recall ever handling or even seeing one here in the US.
I’ve only shot, disassembled, and handled them in Europe. SIG550, 551, and 552. Select-fire guns mostly.
Would love to see that level of quality on a US-built AR-15.
I’m not a fan of the AK design for a lot of reasons. The Swiss addressed the main failure points of that with how they mounted the barrel to the upper, and their recoil system. Ergonomics on the 550 series smoke the AK handily.
I’ve looked down the bores of a lot of different rifles from around the world, including ones we just don’t see in the US much.
I’ve never seen bores like what you see in a real SIG550.
Their finish is like an Hk electrostatic deposition but higher quality, very durable.
A lot of the parts, like the piston, bolt, and carrier look like lab-grade components.
I don’t recall ever handling or even seeing one here in the US.
I’ve only shot, disassembled, and handled them in Europe. SIG550, 551, and 552. Select-fire guns mostly.
Would love to see that level of quality on a US-built AR-15.
I get what you are saying, but without this mythical swiss engineering, and quality a high end AR will outclass the 55x.
The 55x at this point is the 1993 corvette of the gun world, it seems cool until sombodies grand mother pulls up in a cammry.
No one is comparing it to a ar15. The arguement is irrelevent and you are failing to make a salient point.
Clearly a whole bunch of people find it desirable enough that they will drop machine gun money on a semi auto.
You either understand and appreciate the history , engineering and inovation or you dont.
It may be what you call a hint when true firearms experts lust over ithem.
Clearly a whole bunch of people find it desirable enough that they will drop machine gun money on a semi auto.
You either understand and appreciate the history , engineering and inovation or you dont.
It may be what you call a hint when true firearms experts lust over ithem.
In the words of never gonna be my president Biden, "C'mon man?!" Can you define what an AR "outclassing" a 550/553 (true SAN production) would look like? I am a huge AR fan, own a couple of them, decent ones. If you go with a standard "mil spec" trigger against the Swiss 55x, there is no comparison, Swiss have that semi-auto trigger business down. Granted, an AR might (used very lightly) be more accurate, but if so, I believe the difference would be negligible.
The action of the SAN 55x's feel like my JP rifles, which I always say are running on ball bearings and lubed with the tears of babies and angels.
At the end of the day, I don't think there's any real pissing match to engage in. The SAN 55x's are great firearms. Due to the limited importation, they also happen to be rather collectable. Admittedly, I regret selling mine, but maybe I will get lucky again?
Maybe outclassing is not the correct word.
Take something like KAC, LMT, JP,or maybe even somebody like radian or hodge, and in comparison to the 55X, they are going to be lighter, have less dispersion, have a smoother recoil impulse, and are compatible with all modern electo optics and aiming devices, as while having better egos which just leads to a more controllable/shootable gun. At this point, reliability is going to be a wash. In regards to an AR trigger compared to the 55X, your observations are true, but sort of invalid as nobody is using MilSpec triggers in decent AR's outside of HK. As nice as the 55x trigger is in comparison to say the HK 9 series, or the FAL, or even the milspec AR, it is no where close to being as shootable as a Gieselle SD
I don't disagree with the collect-ability of the 55X series. I can and do respect them for what they are and their place in history. I would eventually like to pick one up once i finish a few different projects
They are pretty much perfect for the intended user base: Swiss citizen militia members in a guerilla war in the Alps after being invaded.
You are comparing a gun designed 40-50 years ago to one designed in the last 10 years using modern tech and materials.
I primarly shoot KAC carbines along with a spattering of colt, lmt and larue. Well aware the differences between all of them. Doesnt make the sig 5xx any less a piece of art nor would a competent shooter be undergunned using one.
Comparing an aftermarket match trigger when there is nothing available for the sig due to market size is a useless arguement as well.
Sounds like you want to argue for the sake of arguing.
@GUNNER10 I am enjoying our discussion. I was going to include the fact that I believe the 55x triggers are not as good as several of the higher end AR triggers, but IMHO, I do believe it is up there running alongside many aftermarket options.
Your points are 100% valid in terms of ergos when compared to the AR family. I have not shot enough 55x to have a valid opinion on recoil impulse. However, the 553 I owned did have a rail and you could easily mount most any optic on it.
I keep typing about these damn 55whatevers and have found myself on gunbroker...I need to cut the shit. My bank accounts are completely obliterated! LOL!!
I watched those two ding dongs from youtube (I believe the show is InRange TV or something to that effect). The two guys' names are Ian and Karl. I used to enjoy some of their content, but I recently read they are commies. I have not validated that information myself, but I digress...
They did two episodes on the reliability of the AK vs AR platforms, the AK was first. At the end of the AR episode, they made a rather intriguing observation with regards to the reliability questions when comparing the two platforms. Per their tests, they were dropping the rifles in some shitty conditions, mainly a very soupy mud bath. Longer story short, the AK ended up enduring a few malfunctions, yet the AR shined.
The hypothesis promulgated by the lads was that the more open tolerances on the AK ended up working against itself in said conditions. Due to the less stringent tolerances, some of the soupy mix was able to get into the action of the AK, thereby impairing function on some shots. Conversely, the tighter tolerances of the AR denied the soupy mixture any opportunity to get into the action, which allowed the AR to function much more reliably.
I just realized that really has fuck all to do with the Sig 55x series of rifles, but the comparison of the AK-type platform vs the AR platform had me thinking about it...I've been shooting for a long time, and have researched quite a bit about firearms. I had yet to hear or read the fact that the often vaunted, more loose tolerances of the AK, could actually be a net negative charge on the platform.
Your points are 100% valid in terms of ergos when compared to the AR family. I have not shot enough 55x to have a valid opinion on recoil impulse. However, the 553 I owned did have a rail and you could easily mount most any optic on it.
I keep typing about these damn 55whatevers and have found myself on gunbroker...I need to cut the shit. My bank accounts are completely obliterated! LOL!!
I watched those two ding dongs from youtube (I believe the show is InRange TV or something to that effect). The two guys' names are Ian and Karl. I used to enjoy some of their content, but I recently read they are commies. I have not validated that information myself, but I digress...
They did two episodes on the reliability of the AK vs AR platforms, the AK was first. At the end of the AR episode, they made a rather intriguing observation with regards to the reliability questions when comparing the two platforms. Per their tests, they were dropping the rifles in some shitty conditions, mainly a very soupy mud bath. Longer story short, the AK ended up enduring a few malfunctions, yet the AR shined.
The hypothesis promulgated by the lads was that the more open tolerances on the AK ended up working against itself in said conditions. Due to the less stringent tolerances, some of the soupy mix was able to get into the action of the AK, thereby impairing function on some shots. Conversely, the tighter tolerances of the AR denied the soupy mixture any opportunity to get into the action, which allowed the AR to function much more reliably.
I just realized that really has fuck all to do with the Sig 55x series of rifles, but the comparison of the AK-type platform vs the AR platform had me thinking about it...I've been shooting for a long time, and have researched quite a bit about firearms. I had yet to hear or read the fact that the often vaunted, more loose tolerances of the AK, could actually be a net negative charge on the platform.
My appreciation for the SIG550 series is from a manufacturing and quality control standpoint.
The AR-15 is a superior design in about every way. No AR-15s I have seen are made with the same quality and attention to detail from a manufacturing standpoint as the Swiss SIG550s series, other than maybe the Hk416A5.
If someone made AR-15s with the electrostatic deposition coating on all the steel parts, that would be a good start.
The Hk416 bolt and carrier is pretty close to the quality of the Swiss SIG550 bolt and carrier. You really have to take a look into them with an eye for detail to see what I’m talking about, especially if you’ve ever worked in QC/TQM, and have experience with a large variety of different weapons other than just shooting them.
Another thing about the SIG550 series is how precise and clean they make their polymer, the lock-up of the folding stock, and how well they hold up to extreme cold.
The AR-15 is a superior design in about every way. No AR-15s I have seen are made with the same quality and attention to detail from a manufacturing standpoint as the Swiss SIG550s series, other than maybe the Hk416A5.
If someone made AR-15s with the electrostatic deposition coating on all the steel parts, that would be a good start.
The Hk416 bolt and carrier is pretty close to the quality of the Swiss SIG550 bolt and carrier. You really have to take a look into them with an eye for detail to see what I’m talking about, especially if you’ve ever worked in QC/TQM, and have experience with a large variety of different weapons other than just shooting them.
Another thing about the SIG550 series is how precise and clean they make their polymer, the lock-up of the folding stock, and how well they hold up to extreme cold.
I understand what you are saying but when you are doing a 25k round endurance/durability testing using 855A1 on a number of weapons and the start seeing HK bolt lugs start to sheer at about half the round count as say a domestic enhanced bolt, I really don't think that European quality and attention to detail can make up for marginal at best engineering. I think that the 55X is interesting as it is the evolutionary end the AK, but I am not sure how much that is worth for me personally.
With that being said, I do think that any of guns are a bad investment.
