Gen 1 Vipzoryeah and they could even paint it brown
i wonder what they would call it
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Gen 1 Vipzoryeah and they could even paint it brown
i wonder what they would call it
No, I would say Philippines built instead of China (Strike Eagle) at that price.A Strike Eagle body with Japanese glass and Razor Gen 3 turrets is a Razor Gen 3.
You could make it in China and save some money on labour but then people here will complain it's Chinesium.
Did I say a damn thing about putting Razor quality glass in it? You do realize there's many different levels of glass that LOW offers, right?yeah and they could even paint it brown
i wonder what they would call it
After studying trends of what it appears most folks (at least, on here) desire in a mid-tier scope, I think a PST Gen3 with the Razor Gen3 turrets and LOW ED glass and a 34mm tube would be awesome. Especially if they offered a 1-10x28 LPVO with a 34mm tube & Mil/Mil setup, with 0.1 MIL adjustment, and a true Mil FFP horseshoe reticle (like the NF FC-DMx) and a locking exposed elevation turret (w/ Rev-Stop ZS), and adjustable parallax.
I 100% agree with this.This is exactly what I'm hoping for. Would be my perfect 6 arc optic. Currently have a 1-6 razor on it but want more on the top end, don't have gen3 1-10 budget though.
That's what gen 2 razors should go for.... atleast what they went for a couple years ago. That's how I ended up with a XRS III. They raised the price a few weeks before I was ready to buy.Shoot I bet they’d make a profit at lower than that.
But honestly I would be totally up for $1200-1500 with gen 2 razor glass and the new turrets. Sign me up!
If you see another razor for $1k, can you send that to me? I'd jump all over that!If they do come out with a PST 3, hopefully they blow out the PST 2's as well as they have the 3-18 Razor Gen 2's, been a couple times you could get those for ~$1000 the last 2-3 months.
The 3-18 Razor is slept on. I have one and I love it.If you see another razor for $1k, can you send that to me? I'd jump all over that!
Dont even care that its 3-18
That’s fair.Optics Planet has had them a couple times over the last few months, that's the only place I've seen them that cheap in the $1000-1100 range. I know there's a love/hate with OP, but sometimes they have good deals and if it's in stock you're pretty safe.
This is just me, but for range only use, I find myself always having an 18x maxed out. I actually bought 3 of them when OP had them on sale back in Oct, and sold two of them. It's a better scope than a PST 2 for sure, but for just paper punching range use, I'd rather have the 25x of the PST 2. The only one I kept is on a Scar 20s. I know for PRS etc. use often folks aren't even using 18x, but for me just shooting groups most of the time, I find myself wanting more than 18x. Not that you can't shoot great groups with lower mag, I have a 10x max on a .308 and it does fine, but given the option I'd rather have more mag for a gun that mostly does bench duty.
They discontinued the 3-18 as right from the start it never sold well. You can find forum posts from nearly day 1 of launch explaining why it was a flop.That’s fair.
I’ll keep my eye on optics planet for those.
Most places don’t even have a page for the 3-18 anymore as it’s discontinued. I find that strange since the 4.5-27 is still around, maybe it’ll get discontinued soon too, idk.
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for it.This is exactly what I'm hoping for. Would be my perfect 6 arc optic. Currently have a 1-6 razor on it but want more on the top end, don't have gen3 1-10 budget though.
They discontinued the 3-18 as right from the start it never sold well. You can find forum posts from nearly day 1 of launch explaining why it was a flop.
The market for a 46oz 3-18 is basically no existent, other than saving $100 there was no reason to ever buy that model.
I always wonder about this with a lot of scopes. You see a lot of scopes offering a 3-15, 3-18 plus a 5-25 offering. Weight is usually almost the same as is price. It seems like the vast majority of folks buying a tactical/target scope are going to prioritize having the range from 18-30x, more than from 3-5x. In fact it seems like the trend the last few years is to clearly have more mag than even 25x, with many opting for 30-36x on the top end.
XTR III is another one......5oz lighter and $200 cheaper for the 3-18.....I'll take the 5-30 every-time. Give up 12x on the top end to gain only 2x on the low end.....no thanks. If I really needed to prioritize the 3x-5x that much, I'd probably be looking into an even smaller/lighter offering. It would be one thing if the 3-18 version was 25% lighter and significantly cheaper. Mark 5HD, 4oz lighter and $200 cheaper but you give up 7x on the top end but only gain 1.4x on the low end.
I'd much rather see them just offer the 5-25, and drop the price a bit because they are not carrying a second 3-18x scope that is not going to sell nearly as well. I could also see it if they were offering like a 3-18 and a say 7-35 where the mag, weight, price gaps were much larger.
Again not that a 3-18 can't get the job done very well, but it just seems like 3-18 range scopes are answers looking for solutions. If you really need the low end power you probably want something even smaller/lighter, and at basically the same weight/price it (outside of sales/closeouts) I have to imagine most are going to opt for 25x+ compared to 15-18x when you are only giving up 1-2x on the low end.
Damn, MSRP on the strike eagle 5-25 and 3-18 are over $1k.Well a couple new vortex venom optics came out yesterday, so they’re starting to announce some things in front of SHOT.
Saw on their Instagram post where people were asking for a PST Gen3 in the comments that their replies seem to potentially hint that it may be coming soon.
Fingers crossed
Also MSRP on the strike eagles went up… as did a few other things that I noticed
Gahhh I was on board until I saw the reticle.If the glass on that Venom 3-15 is on par with the 3-15 PST, then they'll need to release a Gen3 as the PST Gen2 won't be get many sales.
Capped windage, thicker reticle, wider FOV, more elevation, closer parallax, similar weight, shorter and cheaper price!
The only way it's not a clear replacement/improvement is if the glass is lacking. Lacking illumination but probably not a huge deal for most people.
I don’t think mine is worth the $799 MSRP it was when I bought it a few years back. Damn sure not worth over $1K…Damn, MSRP on the strike eagle 5-25 and 3-18 are over $1k.
True but damn they bumped those MSRPs up! The Gen III 6-36 is now $4799.99 MSRP!Vortex's MSRP is always well above MAP though.
That's the price for the Vortex warranty to replace the china scopes.I don’t think mine is worth the $799 MSRP it was when I bought it a few years back. Damn sure not worth over $1K…
Enough to make their certs useless tooTrue but damn they bumped those MSRPs up!
Damn, that means I got a smoking deal on my black G3 6-36x from Euro... 50% off the new MSRP...Enough to make their certs useless too
30% off of $4800 = 3360 (yikes)
50% off would still be $2400
@2:48
Is that an old or a new Vortex reticle? I've never seen that before.
Vortex has released a few videos now on their youtube channel stating that Venom sits between the Diamondback and Strike Eagle lines. The Strike Eagle is still below Viper in terms of glass quality so with that being said it should be safe to assume that the Venom’s glass (or the Strike Eagle’s glass) won’t be up to the PST 2’s standards.If the glass on that Venom 3-15 is on par with the 3-15 PST, then they'll need to release a Gen3 as the PST Gen2 won't be get many sales.
Capped windage, thicker reticle, wider FOV, more elevation, closer parallax, similar weight, shorter and cheaper price!
The only way it's not a clear replacement/improvement is if the glass is lacking. Lacking illumination but probably not a huge deal for most people.
@2:48
Is that an old or a new Vortex reticle? I've never seen that before.
I'd imagine they'd just use the 7c or 7d for any higher magnification scope.If true let’s hope they actually have a usable reticle on both high and low mag, as very few get it right.
I think Leupold got it right with a 4x erector with a ffl scope, but haven't played with one yet.I'd imagine they'd just use the 7c or 7d for any higher magnification scope.
If they do a 3-15/18 I won't be holding my breath for a thicker version than goes in the 5-25/30, but would be ecstatic if they did.
Question would be what do they do on an LPVO/MPVO.
A EBR9 type reticle in a FFP 1-x might steal sales from their RZR 1-10, so maybe they will stick to SFP, if so I hope it'd at least be a Mil based reticle.
If they did a 2-10/12 (which I'm skeptical they would) and either put a thin EBR-7x reticle or that shitty EBR-4 reticle back in, that would be a major fail in my opinion.
I do not think we will see PST Gen3 anywhere near that soon. I have heard this rumor before, and I am not sure how that got started. I do see it pop up every few months.Bumping this thread because of a claim there will be a new PST Gen 3 in the next few months.
I'll admit I'm way to excited for the potential release of a midrange scope, but I've been a fan of the PST G2 and am interested to see an upgraded version.
Not sure what a new PST line would look like, whether they would stick to a 30mm tube and aim it at a crossover market, or if would carry on the trend towards 34mm. Not really bothered either way but I hope they don't make all models behemoths.
Would love to see the 3-15x44 bumped up in magnification a bit, say 3-18x50 or 3.3-20x50, capped or lock the windage and keep the weight less than 30oz.
A 6-36x56, 2-12x42 and a FFP 1-8x28 would round this off as my "dream" line of scopes. A bump in glass quality so they compete with the XTR3 and Mark 4/5hd would seal the deal for me.
Probably expecting too much here but if the price jumps up to XTR3i/Mark 4hd level then I think that level of glass should be expected.
If nothing else I just hope Vortex releases a line of scopes like they used to, rather than drip feed them or even not both with some models (RZR 3-18).
@Bakwa mentioned it on a different thread, reckoned he'd heard the rumour from shot show and then it repeated by someone in the know.I do not think we will see PST Gen3 anywhere near that soon. I have heard this rumor before, and I am not sure how that got started. I do see it pop up every few months.
ILya
My "rumor" is from a name associated with Vortex.@Bakwa mentioned it on a different thread, reckoned he'd heard the rumour from shot show and then it repeated by someone in the know.
Not trying to call out Bakwa here, the reason I bumped this thread was for my own self-interest as been hoping for a new PST for a while now.
I know Vortex keep tight lipped about new product releases these days, so chances of someone having any actual info on this and are willing/able to share it is slim to none.
Well hopefully if they went the MPVO they change the reticle. If they don’t it’ll be yet another swing and a miss to add to the heaps of others…. Maybe Athlon will come out with a Japanese BTR Gen3 2-12. With a few very minor tweaks to their existing BTR gen2 they would OWN that market.I found a Reddit post from 3 years ago asking Vortex for a new Gen 3 PST, so definitely a long time coming for some people!
Anyway a lot of people asking for a FFP 1-6/8/10 LVPO.
I think the direct they take with a potential LVPO and MPVO will be the most interesting from this "potential" line up.
As from their other lines (SE and Venom) it's pretty easy to see what a 3-15 and 5-25 might look like.