Rifle Scopes 💥2024 Just Announced💥 MARSc - Onboard VCSEL NIR Illum & Laser

SkyScrapin · Jan 18, 2024

Soldier Systems just announced Envision's latest product offering available to the commercial market place -- MARSc. Strictly Offensive Kit is excited to finally be able to talk about publicly since it's been in development & testing as long or longer than the MARS-Lc.

MARSc, like MARS-Lc, includes onboard ballistics, a 1550nm LRF, environmental sensors, etc., but now also incorporates a VCSEL NIR Illuminator & Laser. The Illuminator has a cleverly positioned NIR adjustment lever which takes minimal adjustment to dial the beam divergence.

Similar to what end-users experience with the MAWL-C1+, this unit provides a CLEAN edge-to-edge NIR illumination that can support extended range capability for end-users running I2 Clip-Ons such as the PVS-30, -27, or M2124-LR, as example.

We have a Youtube video that will release on the opening day of SHOT which we will post up here.

Product Link.

Availability is March/April.

More details to come.

Preston

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SkyScrapin · Jan 19, 2024

Link updated with an option to purchase a $500 deposit. The remainder is due prior to shipment.

TheOE800 · Jan 20, 2024

So this product is equivalent to the latest and recently announced RAPTAR model from Wilcox?

DL32 · Jan 20, 2024

Seems to be, but I don’t see any info on changing illuminator beam size. The Wilcox has a rolling mechanism on the side of the unit.

Flood is not really critical for long range but it’s nice to have.

SkyScrapin · Jan 20, 2024

Yes, it's an adjustable beam divergence, 1-6 degrees. Very handy to ensure you're optimizing IR to avoid target washout.

Yes, competitive to the Raptar XE, but GA for commercial sales.

_Windrider_ · Jan 20, 2024

MAKE FULL POWER NORMAL AGAIN! Fuuuuuuuuck. So tired of neutered lasers and IR devices because of the FDA. How the fuck does the FDA regulate these? Our “laws” are so bad.

SkyScrapin · Jan 20, 2024

_Windrider_ said:
MAKE FULL POWER NORMAL AGAIN! Fuuuuuuuuck. So tired of neutered lasers and IR devices because of the FDA. How the fuck does the FDA regulate these? Our “laws” are so bad.

While I get what you’re saying,

These are about as neutered as a MAWL-C1+. But adjustable beam. Best I got for you with comparisons.

_Windrider_ · Jan 20, 2024

SkyScrapin said:
While I get what you’re saying,

These are about as neutered as a MAWL-C1+. But adjustable beam. Best I got for you with comparisons.

Oh I k ow. They are still quite capable. I’m just over the full power low power thing. It’s literally retarded.

TheOE800 · Jan 20, 2024

_Windrider_ said:
Oh I k ow. They are still quite capable. I’m just over the full power low power thing. It’s literally retarded.

Unpopular opinion: The average idiot shouldn’t own high power infrared devices due to the risk they pose to other people around them.

carbonbased · Jan 20, 2024

I’m coming at these units as a noob.

What exactly do full-power mil units do that civy units cannot? And what are their dangers to others?

I am not asking this in a snarky way.

TheOE800 · Jan 20, 2024

carbonbased said:
I’m coming at these units as a noob.

What exactly do full-power mil units do that civy units cannot? And what are their dangers to others?

I am not asking this in a snarky way.

More powerful to designate and illuminate further out, rendering them not eye safe. Impromptu invisible LASIK is the best case, blindness the worst.

nikonNUT · Jan 20, 2024

carbonbased said:
I’m coming at these units as a noob.

What exactly do full-power mil units do that civy units cannot? And what are their dangers to others?

I am not asking this in a snarky way.

So in the case of danger... Think DIY Lasix without knowing it.

As for full power VSCEL IR illuminators. I have no idea.

carbonbased · Jan 20, 2024

How much further out vs. civy models? Generally.

And thx for the responses.

TheOE800 · Jan 20, 2024

carbonbased said:
How much further out vs. civy models? Generally.

And thx for the responses.

You can call in CAS and paint a target over a mile away with a full power model...that's how far. PEO Soldier's documentation on the PEQ-15 states the effective range of low power is 600M and high power is 2000M.

carbonbased · Jan 20, 2024

TheOE800 said:
You can call in CAS and paint a target over a mile away with a full power model...that's how far. PEO Soldier's documentation on the PEQ-15 states the effective range of low power is 600M and high power is 2000M.

Ok, cool. Thx man.

nikonNUT · Jan 20, 2024

TheOE800 said:
You can call in CAS and paint a target over a mile away with a full power model...that's how far. PEO Soldier's documentation on the PEQ-15 states the effective range of low power is 600M and high power is 2000M.

Amature numbers! How do I mount an IZLID Ultra on my .22 so I can just burn a hole through the critter!

carbonbased · Jan 20, 2024

It would be funny if I could call CAS in for pdogs. Like, dozens of tiny A-10s. Haha.

_Windrider_ · Jan 20, 2024

carbonbased said:
It would be funny if I could call CAS in for pdogs. Like, dozens of tiny A-10s. Haha.

Let’s rig up some drones and see if we can drop some tanner right right down their holes do it Ukrainian style

_Windrider_ · Jan 20, 2024

TheOE800 said:
Unpopular opinion: The average idiot shouldn’t own high power infrared devices due to the risk they pose to other people around them.

And that folks is gun control summed up in a nutshell. I get your sentiment but no.

DL32 · Jan 21, 2024

SkyScrapin said:
Soldier Systems just announced Envision's latest product offering available to the commercial market place -- MARSc. Strictly Offensive Kit is excited to finally be able to talk about publicly since it's been in development & testing as long or longer than the MARS-Lc.

MARSc, like MARS-Lc, includes onboard ballistics, a 1550nm LRF, environmental sensors, etc., but now also incorporates a VCSEL NIR Illuminator & Laser. The Illuminator has a cleverly positioned NIR adjustment lever which takes minimal adjustment to dial the beam divergence.

Similar to what end-users experience with the MAWL-C1+, this unit provides a CLEAN edge-to-edge NIR illumination that can support extended range capability for end-users running I2 Clip-Ons such as the PVS-30, -27, or M2124-LR, as example.

We have a Youtube video that will release on the opening day of SHOT which we will post up here.

Product Link.

Availability is March/April.

More details to come.

Preston

@wigwamitus

Would you know how many Vcsel’s are used in the array? I believe the MAWL uses 7. Thank you.

FuhQ · Jan 21, 2024

_Windrider_ said:
Our “government” (both sides) and every agency and bureaucracy is so bad.

Fixed that for you...

TheOE800 · Jan 21, 2024

_Windrider_ said:
And that folks is gun control summed up in a nutshell. I get your sentiment but no.

My eyeballs > your right to give me lasik

Buck Lawman · Jan 21, 2024

What are the specs on the illuminator, anywhere near the KIJI 3*?

_Windrider_ · Jan 21, 2024

TheOE800 said:
My eyeballs > your right to give me lasik

Trust me I get it. My eyes are my life blood. But you know that is the exact logic the protectionists use when trying to pass things like universal background checks and other forms of control. I don’t go to just any public range to shoot because my life > your second amendment but I also don’t support gun control.

Kiba · Jan 21, 2024

TheOE800 said:
My eyeballs > your right to give me lasik

Don't be concerned about eye damage, all full power units come with these helpful warning stickers:

On a more serious note, a friend likes to use a 1 watt laser to blind rats that walk the fence near his chicken coop. It's scary how fast it messes them up, and yes, he wears protective goggles while doing so.

_Windrider_ · Jan 21, 2024

Kiba said:
Don't be concerned about eye damage, all full power units come with these helpful warning stickers:

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On a more serious note, a friend likes to use a 1 watt laser to blind rats that walk the fence near his chicken coop. It's scary how fast it messes them up, and yes, he wears protective goggles while doing so.

Your friend might be a psychopath

Kiba · Jan 21, 2024

_Windrider_ said:
Your friend might be a psychopath

Usually the rats end up getting very disoriented after getting hit with the laser and then fall off the fence where his dog picks them up and shakes them to death.

He's usually sitting in a lawn chair sipping a beer while doing this.

So yes, the thought had occurred to me... Lol

Buck Lawman · Jan 21, 2024

Boy, I'm sure glad this thread is chocked full of information on this 10k+ laser beam thingy.

SkyScrapin · Jan 22, 2024

Buck Lawman said:
Boy, I'm sure glad this thread is chocked full of information on this 10k+ laser beam thingy.

You came here for product info; you got entertainment. You're welcome.

Joking... call me if you want any specific details. Phone number is in my signature.

Buck Lawman · Jan 22, 2024

For real tho, what that illuminator thang do?

SkyScrapin · Jan 23, 2024

Buck Lawman said:
For real tho, what that illuminator thang do?

Need more color from you,

It's like taking a PEQ and packaging it in the MARS without changing the MARS form factor. If you have IR laser or illuminator needs, it's the ticket.

The way that I look at it, if the moon is >35% or it's overcast, you will need an Illuminator for clip-ons. If it's <35% up to a full moon, you probably don't need an illuminator anyways.

The IR laser aspect is useful in any-moon to call out targets for your buddies with i2 devices, or for shorter range shooting that would otherwise be done with a PEQ.

Packing IR into the MARS reduces redundancy and streamlines the overall capabilities.

If you or your buddies aren't using i2 (night vision), there is likley no need for MARSc. MARS-Lc would be the ticket.

For reference, there is 77% moon in this video which I would't use the IR Illum for. However, IR laser works great.

newguy2k3v2 · Jan 23, 2024

Is the illuminator slaved to the ranging and aiming lasers?

SkyScrapin · Jan 23, 2024

newguy2k3v2 said:
Is the illuminator slaved to the ranging and aiming lasers?

Correct

SkyScrapin · Jan 23, 2024

Realizing I need to slap together a video of different moon %s to show capability under different conditions.

newguy2k3v2 · Jan 23, 2024

SkyScrapin said:
Correct

I wish they’d stop doing that

rlsmith1 · Jan 23, 2024

SkyScrapin said:
Realizing I need to slap together a video of different moon %s to show capability under different conditions.

Full moon in 2 days haha

SkyScrapin · Jan 23, 2024

rlsmith1 said:
Full moon in 2 days haha

Me looking through my dated i2 clip-on: "C'mon tube performance, show me what ya got!"

My MARSc: "FAFO."

Buck Lawman · Jan 23, 2024

I'd love to see a video of the illuminator performance! Currently running a kiji 3 and a CNVD-LR. Is this illuminator anywhere near what the kiji can do?

rlsmith1 · Jan 23, 2024

SkyScrapin said:
Me looking through my dated i2 clip-on: "C'mon tube performance, show me what ya got!"

My MARSc: "FAFO."

Dated clip I2 clip-ons require more illumination! This one autogates even on low moon nights

Excited for these.

newguy2k3v2 · Jan 23, 2024

I’d just like to see these integrated units with separate adjustments for the illuminator. Preferably finger adjustable like a la5.

For my use cases at least, if I’m going to need the tighter beam it’s going to be at extended range where my poa is 3,4 and 5 mils below my 100yd zero, which is where the illuminator is shining on these slaved units….

After the cr2 low light precision class I saw how well a buddy/spotter running illumination offset from the shooter works but that’s just not available very often.

rlsmith1 · Jan 23, 2024

newguy2k3v2 said:
I’d just like to see these integrated units with separate adjustments for the illuminator. Preferably finger adjustable like a la5.

For my use cases at least, if I’m going to need the tighter beam it’s going to be at extended range where my poa is 3,4 and 5 mils below my 100yd zero, which is where the illuminator is shining on these slaved units….

After the cr2 low light precision class I saw how well a buddy/spotter running illumination offset from the shooter works but that’s just not available very often.

I'm running an ELIR 3 and typically zero that so my crosshairs are in the top 1/3 of the beam anyway for exactly that reason. Personally, I'd. prefer keeping everything slaved as that keeps things simple

newguy2k3v2 · Jan 23, 2024

rlsmith1 said:
I'm running an ELIR 3 and typically zero that so my crosshairs are in the top 1/3 of the beam anyway for exactly that reason. Personally, I'd. prefer keeping everything slaved as that keeps things simple

I have one of those also. It works well when observing but that’s about it. The one that I have has a VERY clean food that is neck and neck with a la5 for power. Unfortunately the zero wobbles when you change divergence or even touch the bezel, it blinks off under recoil, it shifts zero under recoil, and it’s just more crap hanging off the gun to add weight and snag.

rlsmith1 · Jan 23, 2024

newguy2k3v2 said:
I have one of those also. It works well when observing but that’s about it. The one that I have has a VERY clean food that is neck and neck with a la5 for power. Unfortunately the zero wobbles when you change divergence or even touch the bezel, it blinks off under recoil, it shifts zero under recoil, and it’s just more crap hanging off the gun to add weight and snag.

Yeah for $300 it isn't bad but I'd love to combine everything into one unit. Like this one!

SkyScrapin · Mar 12, 2024

MARSc shipping later this month!

Receiving a few more than expected. We're accepting deposits to secure a unit.

Calls us or hit the website to order.

Buck Lawman · Apr 10, 2024

I've been messing with this thing for about a week. Rangefinder is awesome, onboard dope uploaded from kestrel = awesome, I even like the little led cant indicator. The wind update not switching based on DOF isn't that bothersome for me as it's easy enough to tap and hold the forward button, select the wind menu and update it manually. Where I shoot at any real distance has about 120 degrees of fire so it is helpful to do this on the big changes and even using a kestrel you need to massage the numbers to have any luck because the wind where you are is not the same as the wind down the hill through the valley and all that. Many times the wind at the firing position will read one way and the wind you end up holding will be in the exact opposite and at half or double the speed, so that's fun. Got ranges VERY quickly from 412yd to 1042yd today in speed mode on best setting. The only gripe I have is the IR illuminator. It's very nice to be able to adjust the flood down so tight but, past 300-400 yards (dependent on moonlight) it is pretty weak compared to an NGAL or FP RAIDxe. Using a CNVD-LR. I know those are full power lasers but the pointer is fine on this thing, just wish the illuminator had some more oomph. I wonder if it's possible to leave the VIS and IR lasers where they are to remain compliant but have the illuminator only bumped up a bit? Maybe a future update? I can only hope. Now, having said all that, the only actual thing I've shot with it was a raccoon at 132 yards and the illuminator was plenty effective at that distance but, I'd like to have more power for hitting steel targets further away. Even still this unit is rad and I've only been using it for a week. Thanks SOK for changing my order mid stream from the lc to the c right after it was announced!

TheOtherAndrew · Apr 12, 2024

It is more features. And if used for hunting hogs or whatever that gives user more options/flexibility.

But isn't the entire point of the super expensive (mainly due to the [detector] required) 1550nm tech 'complete darkness?' 1550 is more finicky to water in the medium BUT because of its much better [eye safety factor], the intensity can be ever increased to make up for it - whereas 905 is not/can not.

So why would anybody want a 1550 with IR laser/flood (since the IR is obviously visible with most any gen of NVD) - other than $ isn't an issue?

Id think a 905 with all the IR/flood would be what [hunters] would rather pay for...
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what am I missing; other than Envision wants to make its investment money back before introducing a new product line?

Buck Lawman · Apr 18, 2024

I use it in the daytime too, works really well. The rangefinder/onboard weather station and all the profiles swapping over from the kestrel are very cool. Haven't used it on a rainy day yet but I'll remember to post about it after I do. Taking it out again tomorrow night, mid-rangeish stuff 550 yd or so, should be fun. Yeah they are expensive, I don't know what the business plans are but with all the options in this space out there right now there is something for everyone. If vortex puts one out with some IR functionality I bet they'd sell a shit ton of them.

Buck Lawman · Apr 20, 2024

Great time at Peacemaker National last night. KYL rack at night was fun!

SkyScrapin · Apr 20, 2024

TheOtherAndrew said:
It is more features. And if used for hunting hogs or whatever that gives user more options/flexibility.

But isn't the entire point of the super expensive (mainly due to the [detector] required) 1550nm tech 'complete darkness?' 1550 is more finicky to water in the medium BUT because of its much better [eye safety factor], the intensity can be ever increased to make up for it - whereas 905 is not/can not.

So why would anybody want a 1550 with IR laser/flood (since the IR is obviously visible with most any gen of NVD) - other than $ isn't an issue?

Id think a 905 with all the IR/flood would be what [hunters] would rather pay for...
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what am I missing; other than Envision wants to make its investment money back before introducing a new product line?

1550nm lasers have more consistent returns on non-reflective targets than a 905nm. Aside from SWIR v NIR or IR, that’s the primary benefit.

Also.. demand centers for MARS at scale want 1550nm. Hunters would be good to go with 905nm, where a two legged threat is unlikely.

Dogtown · May 1, 2024

Any idea when the next batch of these will be available?

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