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It’s a chevron style reticle which is easy to find and it has mil dots, 5 on each side for wind. Works great.
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It’s a chevron style reticle which is easy to find and it has mil dots, 5 on each side for wind. Works great.
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We test every WMLRF we can get our hands on. Wilcox delivery dates are typically 1-2 years out from announcement, and delivery after the initial batch is spotty.
Will give you a ring tomorrow or Friday.
They are already in production, and should be pushing out very soon. I know some have already been sold.
Not disagreeing,
Available in small numbers and generally available are two different things. We had MRF and MARS in hand before they were GA.
GA units took over 12 months to receive in any quantity, and they’re still slow on delivery of MRF. Nothing new if you’ve been around the block with this stuff.
All good. Here's what I've been using so far (two I got from you)
- Vortex is a chunky boy only good for daytime use
- 10 year old RAPTAR ES sans solver doesn't count
- MRF Xe is slim, fast, and works great at night with a bolt gun
- Mars-c is similarly slim, fast, and the IR laser/flood make it useful on an AR platform
MARS-Mc is identical to MARS-Lc, but with a 905nm LRF.
Really strong contender for LE & hunters.
In practice, the MARS-Mc is at least twice as good as the spec states pending ideal conditions & environment. At night, even better.
Late to respond fellas,
MARS has onboard compass, so it's not a fix rather it's an enabling of the feature. Envision is aware that the consumer market interest.
ETA: Without re-calibrating the onboard compass regularly, whatever that might mean based on your environment, its highly probably it will cost you more than you stand to gain. First hand experience.
MARS has onboard compass, so it's not a fix rather it's an enabling of the feature. Envision is aware that the consumer market interest.
ETA: Without re-calibrating the onboard compass regularly, whatever that might mean based on your environment, its highly probably it will cost you more than you stand to gain. First hand experience.
Hey Sir! Let me get some clarification. Does the MARS-Mc have an IR laser you can use with Nv. Is that a thing or is it simply the medium range LRF from the Lc?
MARS is MIL version with FP laser illum and 1550nm LRF
MARS-c is low power CIV version of MARS
MARS-lc is 1550nm LRF
MARS-mc is 905nm LRF
MARS-c is low power CIV version of MARS
MARS-lc is 1550nm LRF
MARS-mc is 905nm LRF
I have the Lc but I thought the Mc was supposed to be the version that has an IR laser for NV use. Guess I misread that.
MARS-c Voodoo integration is <chef’s kiss>. You get those numbers directly in your FOV and a chevron aiming point.
Is there any noticeable time delay between the range and firing solution displayed on the MARS and then displayed on the thermal sight screen?
It's fast.
The delay in range & dope calculations device to device is the differentiator. Once it's calculated on the WMLRF, it's in the HUD.
MARS - 1/4 second
MRF - 1/2 second
Raptar - 1~ second
^^^ - agreed
The MARS (and MRF) are very fast compared to the old school RAPTAR. There's basically zero delay from ranging return to display in FOV. One thing I noticed last night is that if you're zoomed in quite a ways the data may be cropped by the top of the FOV, but that's a non-issue with the Disturbed Reticle as that shows you your elevation and windage hold point. FWIW, the Voodoo-M seems to handle 3-15x easily before it starts to get pixelated (with zero sharpening filter).
The MARS (and MRF) are very fast compared to the old school RAPTAR. There's basically zero delay from ranging return to display in FOV. One thing I noticed last night is that if you're zoomed in quite a ways the data may be cropped by the top of the FOV, but that's a non-issue with the Disturbed Reticle as that shows you your elevation and windage hold point. FWIW, the Voodoo-M seems to handle 3-15x easily before it starts to get pixelated (with zero sharpening filter).
I should add, having initially played with this integration, I now understand why you can disable the display on the MARS. Also, once again, the haptic feedback is a seriously underrated feature of this unit.
@rlsmith1 here's what the data from a MARS-mc to the Voodoo-M looks like. This is from within my garage, so no range, but you can see at 5x there's the elevation : windage : range (strangely only in meters). You can see the row of horizontal dots that shows your elevation hold, and that chevron moves laterally based on your windage value.
I think I need a different mount - you can see the alignment is a bit off and that's 100% play in the Wilcox flip-mount
A NV/Thermal noob here.I think I need a different mount - you can see the alignment is a bit off and that's 100% play in the Wilcox flip-mount
Why does it seem like there are so many issues mounting this stuff?
Beats the hell out of me. This is actually the first clip-on device I’ve had issues with mounting. It kind of surprises me that the Voodoo-M ships with a dovetail vs direct QD mount. No one is obviously helmet mounting it, but being able to pop-it in/out of a flip mount is pretty handy. I just would have thought that wouldn’t be the default route, but what the hell do I know?
Yeah, weird. I read a bunch of comments about "so-and-so device's mount is loose" etc and I just don't get it. I'm sure there's some decent reason?
I mean, we've figured out pretty repeatable regular riflescope mounting quite some time ago.
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@rlsmith1 here's what the data from a MARS-mc to the Voodoo-M looks like. This is from within my garage, so no range, but you can see at 5x there's the elevation : windage : range (strangely only in meters). You can see the row of horizontal dots that shows your elevation hold, and that chevron moves laterally based on your windage value.
I think I need a different mount - you can see the alignment is a bit off and that's 100% play in the Wilcox flip-mount
Thanks for sharing, that’s legit!! The windage dots are a great idea.
I’ve heard the UTC line had some issues too if the mount / rail wasn’t rigid enough (pressure on the unit messed the TRACIR up).
How long does it take for the solution to show up?
In some ways, it seems like a regular TMR reticle would be better for this type of stuff? Of course shooting during the day would be the trade off but maybe the reticle you have is just fine
I push Range on the MARS and see the solution in about 1/2 a second
Because the display is too bright for night use, unless maybe under a full moon.
My apologies up front for what I am sure is a stupid question. Is the Environment setting in the MARS equivalent to the weather data that a Kestrel weather meter captures...or do you still need to have the Kestrel linked with the MARS to get the respective weather data?
Thanks,
Mike
Thanks,
Mike
Yes, it can take the place of the Kestrel for env data (useful) or you can stream data to the MARS (not as useful). Generally the only reason to stream the data is to get realtime wind vectors, but I find that holding wind is more practical.
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