The obvious solution here is to serialize the endcap and the brake and ship them with the can as an option
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That was essentially my suggestion, but ATFs fucked up rules say that the endcap must be regulated as a silencer but at the same time can't be serialized...The obvious solution here is to serialize the endcap and the brake and ship them with the can as an option
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This is why I’m opting for the regular Magnus-S .30… Shorter than my full Magnus, but enough suppression to hunt with magnums without ear pro, and still not blow out my eardrums for the next few days.I can’t decide what I want. I know I don’t NEED any though. I can make a use case for pretty much any Magnus-size-RR, it’s just a question of which is best knowing that I almost never shoot my Dominus-CB over my Magnus. Magnus-S-RR would basically be the same size or a bit shorter than my full size plain old Magnus.
It’s the government, therefore it’s all retarded… Full-stop.And suppressors are regulated as weapons, so in essence they are regulating an endcap as a weapon.
This started about going backwards. Adding a muzzle brake end cap to an already existing non rr can (as in the versions available before this thread announcing the update).The obvious solution here is to serialize the endcap and the brake and ship them with the can as an option
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From page 1@Zak Smith
So while talking to someone else about these some questions came up. In reference to the RR models.
Have y’all done any recoil reduction percentage test on 6mm calibers?
And does the RR focus solely on reduced recoil on a x axis. Or does it have anything to divert gas up for muzzle rise?
We tested it from the shooter's POV on a bunch of cartridges with upward ports and the muzzle movement was too inconsistent cartridge to cartridge, so we went for max gross recoil reduction. (Directional ports reduced gross reduction.)
Thanks so much for the quick reply like always. And both answers make perfect sense.From page 1
We didn't get %'s for race-gun 6mm's, but Sam's been shooting it on his Dasher all year. We can get 6mm %'s this spring. They should track 308 pretty well percentage wise though
Layman's terms. A regular Magnus doesn't recoil with a Dasher. An RR recoils less than 0From page 1
We didn't get %'s for race-gun 6mm's, but Sam's been shooting it on his Dasher all year. We can get 6mm %'s this spring. They should track 308 pretty well percentage wise though
Would it be possible to get Sam to compare the Magnus S RR and Magnus K RR when shooting a Dasher?From page 1
We didn't get %'s for race-gun 6mm's, but Sam's been shooting it on his Dasher all year. We can get 6mm %'s this spring. They should track 308 pretty well percentage wise though
Curious to see the 6.5 numbers vs. 7.62 versions. I hope to see that test video sometime in the near future.If there is enough demand, we can add 6.5mm variants. We'd make one first and test to see if there is a difference in performance to warrant it.
I’m working on this already. I’ve been having issues with the TRIGGERCAM working in cold weather but have a video of an unweighted Dasher. By unweighted I mean no added weights.Would it be possible to get Sam to compare the Magnus S RR and Magnus K RR when shooting a Dasher?
That's where my mind went to first as well - the A419 Maverick.
Interesting that there's different interpretations as to what is legal and what isn't under the laws.
Yeah, I have a gen1 338 ultra and the gen2 RR is now just enough of an advantage over my gen1 that I'm probably going to get a Gen2RR 338 and use the gen1 for my 308 can. Or other stuff.It is my understanding, you must have all pieces of the kit for it to be legal. It is the combined overall length. If a section were missing then the problems would start.
Would love to have my TBAC cans retrofitted for the RR option. Have not had my Genll ultra that long at all. We have to remember, TBAC is always pushing forward with new and better technology. We as consumers have helped fund that. When the innovation comes out we can then take advantage of the new technology. I'm happy to see the TBAC team constantly push the boundaries. I'll continue to support the companies the constantly support our sport.
As a side note, if their is a gray area in the law and they chose to try. Would you want profits going to lawyers? Or R&D for new technologies? My vote is new technologies and the pleasure of using them.
You could always send that 30BA back to TBAC and let them update it... I think they're putting the Ultra Gen2 stacks in them, if I'm not mistaken... But I could be wrong. Then you'd have a modernized 30BA you could use, and not a gigantic paperweight.Yeah, I have a gen1 338 ultra and the gen2 RR is now just enough of an advantage over my gen1 that I'm probably going to get a Gen2RR 338 and use the gen1 for my 308 can. Or other stuff.
The sad orphan, crying in a drawer under the bench is the 30BA 9" can which has no current use.
But that is the deal with cans: they are a marriage, and you have to widow them when they get long in the tooth. No resale value that makes them worth selling.
Yes, we'll get those comparisons together when we get regrouped after SHOTWould it be possible to compare the Magnus S RR and Magnus K RR when shooting a 375 H&H?
I have thought about that, but I would lose a couple of dB and ounces (maybe), and lose $800 from my wallet; but that's really the issue - once you have so many cans and only so many rifles, there will inevitably be orphaned cans. I'm saving them for my kids' rifles, I guess
Would you mind unpacking this a bit? When you said it was inconsistent, you mean one cartridge would perform differently than another, or that a given cartridge was inconsistent?We tested it from the shooter's POV on a bunch of cartridges with upward ports and the muzzle movement was too inconsistent cartridge to cartridge, so we went for max gross recoil reduction. (Directional ports reduced gross reduction.)
Thanks for posting that vid and gathering the info for us.I’m working on this already. I’ve been having issues with the TRIGGERCAM working in cold weather but have a video of an unweighted Dasher. By unweighted I mean no added weights.
What scope magnification do you think is best?
What range of target?
Shot positional off a bag or prone(or modified)?
Trying to gauge what you guys are after.
The top ports did not make an observable difference greater than the normal recoil variance of several shooters. In other words, given any particular porting/brake setup, the difference in muzzle flip from shooter to shooter was more than the "correction" of any top port setup. Muzzle rise happens at all because the axis of rotation of the rifle is below the muzzle (or bore line)-- which happens because that's where it contacts you. Applying the principle to everyone, less recoil force will produce less rotation and thus less muzzle rise for anyone that that geometry affects. As I said before on the 50 testing, between a half dozen shooters, with top ports, some guys would end up with muzzle dip and some would not, depending on how they fit and mounted the rifle. The same principle applies to the smaller cans. So we just went for max recoil reduction period.Would you mind unpacking this a bit? When you said it was inconsistent, you mean one cartridge would perform differently than another, or that a given cartridge was inconsistent?
Seems to me (who is not a professional suppressor manufacturer) that I'd be fine learning the behavior of a given cartridge and get muzzle rise offset, than to get none. Only centerfire can I own is a TBAC, but the purported muzzle control of the Maverick leaves me conflicted about my next purchase.
Thanks for any insight you can provide, and that's a great-looking lineup you're rolling out!
For me, the impulse feels like more of a snap. I’m able to recover on target pretty easily.Thanks for posting that vid and gathering the info for us.
Magnification - 15x - 20x
Range - 400yds - 600yds
Position - off a bag
would you describe the recoil impulse as a push like a standard suppressor or a snap like a break?
That’s the choice to make isn’t it…Looking forward to shooting the Magnus RR K and S this week! And ordering one or both.
Certainly. I'm leaning 90% towards the K length given the recoil numbers (and recent podcast talking about them).That’s the choice to make isn’t it…
Regardless I’ll always have the Magnus not RR for full if needed.
Can you link the podcast?Certainly. I'm leaning 90% towards the K length given the recoil numbers (and recent podcast talking about them).
Can you link the podcast?
Interface is a question as well. I understand SR now, but the secondary retention just doesn’t seem to matter to me even on say my 300prc so the added cost and length are just that - added. Though being able to swap to a 419 brake will be less of a concern due the brake on the can.Certainly. I'm leaning 90% towards the K length given the recoil numbers (and recent podcast talking about them).
Would it be safe to assume that the Magnus S RR has a little less snap and more push than a Magnus K RR? Or is it negligible?For me, the impulse feels like more of a snap. I’m able to recover on target pretty easily.
After shot, I’ll work on some
I need a little more time on the K to give you a solid answer. Suppression from the shooters position with foamies in, I couldn’t tell a difference. But my squad could tell a different between the S and KWould it be safe to assume that the Magnus S RR has a little less snap and more push than a Magnus K RR? Or is it negligible?
Im interested in if the suppressors with muzzle brakes produce more flash than the ones without?We'll do some recoil testing on smaller 6's. Sam's been shooting the S-RR on his 6 Dasher all season and says it's a noticeable reduction in recoil
Why not make the flat end cap an unnecessary but included part of the RR brake. So the brake can be removed and the endcap installed. Or RR left in place and the endcap screwed on the end of the RR brake for posterity sake....or not, resulting in zero difference to the braked configuration. But allowing it to be part of the total suppressor configuration. Kind of like the end cap on the fly 9. Consider the RR brake like the longer part of the FLY 9.That was essentially my suggestion, but ATFs fucked up rules say that the endcap must be regulated as a silencer but at the same time can't be serialized...
Maybe we could have an option to buy the RR can with the flat endcap instead of the brake? It would be nice to have the interface there for future proofing in case the ATF changes their mind on their "rule" (especially since the "solvent trap" letter is only a month and a half old). By the time the can is actually approved who knows what the ATF "rules" will be.
The brake seems great, but at the same time would be nice to just throw the flat cap on if you are switching between rifles or barrels and don't want to re-time it every time.
Anyways, I'm sure TBAC has done their research and would make it possible if there was any way to do it since there is clearly a market interest in having both the flat endcap and the brake.