From the pic, does it look like that receiver was lug slotted for a Unertl? Kind of looks like it was, but my eyes may be playing tricks on me.Looks to be a 2 piece base with an A.R.M.S. #5 multi base mount added on top.
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View thread Contact supportFrom the pic, does it look like that receiver was lug slotted for a Unertl? Kind of looks like it was, but my eyes may be playing tricks on me.Looks to be a 2 piece base with an A.R.M.S. #5 multi base mount added on top.
Very true Brother!Tuff gettin older eyes .... ^^^^^
#attentiontodetailFrom the pic, does it look like that receiver was lug slotted for a Unertl? Kind of looks like it was, but my eyes may be playing tricks on me.
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Very nice indeed
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I've got several .308 rifles, but one of my favorites is an old sporterized 1909 Argentine Mauser that was converted to .308. My sons and I shoot in a military vintage silhouette match. (chickens, pigs, turkeys and rams at 200-500 meters). Sometimes I shoot "as issued" with a Swiss K-31, but got the sported Argentine to use in the "vintage military sporter" class. The Argy likes 42.6 grs of IMR 4064 with the Nosler 175gr CC, CCI 200 primer, in FGMM brass. COAL 2.810.This was Fed GMM case, 43.5 Varget, BR2 primer, 180 SMK (I’ve got a ton of them), seated 2.82”
Just for shits and giggles slap a few 168 or 175 MKs over your exact same load and brass and see if much difference.Got a bunch of LC from my rifle team days. But, crimped primers, fired in M14’s, etc…. A lot of work! I’d rather just drink suds and slap shit together!
Just for shits and giggles slap a few 168 or 175 MKs over your exact same load and brass and see if much difference.
I know you have a bunch of the 180s but we have never been able to get them to shoot stupid good like 168 and 175s in .308s and the 190s in the 300WMs.
It's only cool if you have a bunch of bullets that aren't being picky little bitches.
If the 168 or 175 fly better out of your guns, maybe load the 180s in your old LC brass for positional training or the apocalypse.???
I bet they’ll shoot “minute of dog”I’ve got a bunch of 175’s and will jam, not jelly, them into the Lapua brass I’ve got.
Your suggestion is exactly what I’m thinking for the 180’s with the Federal and LC brass. Or, I’ll feed these 180’s to my WinMag and warp-speed them into quadruped meaty things.
I feel sure I can get them to do better than the 1.5” mess I had the other day.
I bet they’ll shoot “minute of dog”
When I went to FBI sniper school 1984, I loaded a bunch of my own ammo. 168 and 180. SMKs over IMR 4895. The 180’s kicked like a mule in Fed brass but shot sub .50 moa. That rifle had a Schneider Poly rifling barrel fromJust for shits and giggles slap a few 168 or 175 MKs over your exact same load and brass and see if much difference.
I know you have a bunch of the 180s but we have never been able to get them to shoot stupid good like 168 and 175s in .308s and the 190s in the 300WMs.
It's only cool if you have a bunch of bullets that aren't being picky little bitches.
If the 168 or 175 fly better out of your guns, maybe load the 180s in your old LC brass for positional training or the apocalypse.???
M70 with a weaver..When I went to FBI sniper school 1984, I loaded a bunch of my own ammo. 168 and 180. SMKs over IMR 4895. The 180’s kicked like a mule in Fed brass but shot sub .50 moa. That rifle had a Schneider Poly rifling barrel from
McMillan. I miss that rifle
One of the instructors had a smear stock M70 with Weaver T10 on it
Tiny, tiny brains to aim at.M70 with a weaver..
That’s so long ago , question do dinosaurs have the same viral zone as people..![]()
Soa lower case t for the T zoneTiny, tiny brains to aim at.
.....smartass.![]()
This vintage Weaver K series would take the challengeSoa lower case t for the T zone![]()
M70 with a weaver..
That’s so long ago , question do dinosaurs have the same viral zone as people..![]()
I haven't heard anything consistent with the above. Maybe someday. For now, I think there's too much historical time proven data for staying with the current standard. There will always be outliers, and to each their own. I'm all for a better mousetrap; but on this topic, I'd hazard a guess that anyone advocating for anything other than. 308 Winchester doesn't have a single call out under their belt much less an instance of having been there and done thatAs of late, I've had several people at work suggest we should swap platforms to 6.5 Creedmoor or 6mm ARC "because the FBI snipers are switching over to it".
Has anyone else heard this claim anywhere? I see vanishingly little value to swapping away from .308 for duty use, and yet the Need New Caliber bug is in full outbreak mode...
Thank you Terry...If you have FBI budget, you might could afford to rebarrel your rifles 3 to 4 times more frequently as well as having 2 or 3 flavors of deployable "specialty" calibers.
You could even afford to swap back to .308 in a couple of years if you regretted the move.
We are solidly in checking the "that's a bad idea" box in almost all instances.
General purpose primary sniper rifle in .308 Win WITH PROPER MISSION SPECIFIC AMMO is the way.
Add to it that almost all LE “sniper stuff” is so close drop and wind dont matter even in a hurricaneIf you have FBI budget, you might could afford to rebarrel your rifles 3 to 4 times more frequently as well as having 2 or 3 flavors of deployable "specialty" calibers.
You could even afford to swap back to .308 in a couple of years if you regretted the move.
We are solidly in checking the "that's a bad idea" box in almost all instances.
General purpose primary sniper rifle in .308 Win WITH PROPER MISSION SPECIFIC AMMO is the way.
Not picking on the FBI or anybody else for that matter because we are all guilty of this to some degree.. . . and yet the Need New Caliber bug is in full outbreak mode...
Punctuation. Please use it. Real paragraphs too.Listen I don't have any kind of love affair with the 308 the 308 is a good gun for shooting around what if you're going to do bench and you're going to do long range hidden and you want to accurate and you want to accurate quick 308 is not the way to go it's just physics it's not nostalgia it's not the FBI does it and that's the way it is it's going out on the range and shooting a lot and grasping for any edge that you can the shooting game is a game of nuances any nuance any edge you can get in competition I'm going to take it I got a guy a friend of mine that shoots 6 mm BR he goes around the country to all the matches he makes his own guns then in the game and spent a lot of money on lots of firearms and what I found this these cartridges that you guys shun that I reload for as you get out to four 500 yards they're a lot more easy to range than the 308 that's not to say that if you're shooting a 308 that's not a good thing I'm just saying if you're shooting up bullet that the ballistic coefficient is higher the more accurate the cartridge is just going to be!
We shoot three or four times a week maybe 5:00 if the weather is good cuz it's really nothing to do up here in the mountains I don't need to buy a big expensive gun a couple thousand dollars is enough a couple grand for a glass is good enough but I want to get the most out of the rig I'm running so I'm massaging everything that I can and taking every edge that I can't I'm shooting with army rangers a matter of fact I'm teaching army rangers how to set up and how to shoot and I'm just saying if I can drop my MOA down and I am then I'm going to go with the most accurate rock that I can throw! I'm not interested in nostalgia and I know I'm going to have a whole lot of people talking but if I can take a six five Creed more and I could put eight bullets in the same hole with a $1200 gun so better for me my bullet doesn't have to be the fastest in the world my gun doesn't have to be the most expensive in the world and my car just doesn't have to be the most popular in the world but I do want my bullet to hit where I aim it and do it consistently so I'll shoot a Dasher I'll shoot a Creed more I'll shoot a 7 mm mag I'll shoot a 30-06 I'll shoot a 300 win mag you guys shoot what you want to do I don't put you down for shooting a 308 I'm just saying for me I'm leaning on the sides of physics?
The English major in me won’t even allow me to read that.Punctuation. Please use it. Real paragraphs too.
There are soooooo many people that fall into that trap.Not picking on the FBI or anybody else for that matter because we are all guilty of this to some degree.
Here is a couple of slides I use in classes as a reminder to others as well as myself that as long as your gear is sound, skills and good decisions will carry the day.
I would rather have a sharp dude with a 1980's Rem 700P that trains and makes good decisions over a mouth breather that just shows up and is slinging a $10K AI AW.
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The redneck in me won't allow me to read that.The English major in me won’t even allow me to read that.
Sorry dude, I'm just spell and speaking from a cell phone and it's difficult to edit it once it goes down it's in it's impossible to edit its roughPunctuation. Please use it. Real paragraphs too.
Agreed brother agreedThere are soooooo many people that fall into that trap.
They're buying a stairway to heaven it's nice to see the gun in the safe but unless you get out and use it serves no purpose to me!Agreed brother agreed
It’s called Snipers HideThere are soooooo many people that fall into that trap.
Not quite, I’ve seen this phenomenon in CAS, Action Pistol and various Hunting groups too!It’s called Snipers Hide
I’m more guilty than anyone lolNot quite, I’ve seen this phenomenon in CAS, Action Pistol and various Hunting groups too!
The quest for the ”magic bullet/gadget”is strong.