OR... Did SS put a tree between them and the designated position of the perp/patsy.
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Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!
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If only there were more than one CS set up like every presidential event. Probally had atleast 5 teams out there for 360 coverage. Not to mention the people on ground yelling and pointing at guy while being set up. They could have jumped off roof...ran over and played tag with the shooter before he got the first shot off.
They let it happen.
I want to see Trump fire the SS and hire his own security force made up of the most gnarly, badass savages walking the earth.
Pay them out of campaign funds and send a silent message about the level of corruption in the gov.
Pay them out of campaign funds and send a silent message about the level of corruption in the gov.
So was it a bullet that hit his ear or was he injured when he got pulled to the ground???
And how the fuck does SS not cover pretty much the one place a shooter could have gotten off a shot? Helen Kellers RECON team would have gotten that one!
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This was exactly my thought. Now we know he was 160 out. The secret service shot came after and was impressively quick.
Exactly! We have a shit ton of retired high speed silent professionals that are loyal and faithful to this country that would be honered to do the job...
Disagree. The ground team seemed really on the ball.
The people who need to be looked at are the advance team… and whoever decided not to cover the industrial plant 100 percent.
That said, I am willing to accept that a Former POTUS detail is not the same resource-wise as the full detail. And also that complacency, human error or (yes) someone’s incompetence we’re present before going “conspiracy theory.”
At least at the exec protection level.
We are looking at tactical firing positions.
I want “in” on the mind of the shooter. Who is he. Who was he known to. Background? Who/what radicalized him? Affiliations. Training. Where did he get his gun, etc. Until that is forthcoming. We are staring at pictures of buildings and lawns and second guessing a USSS team that by my accounting did pretty damn good when SHTF.
I want to know where the shit came from? And how did it get to the fan?
Sirhr
I cannot abide screechy bitches.
Obviously the system produced this shooter, so how many more are in a similar pipeline?
And this is where taking the moral high road has gotten us......
It's just emboldened the enemy to do whatever they like.
Doc
It's just emboldened the enemy to do whatever they like.
Doc
You don’t think those counter sniper teams were not bitching about a blind spot not covered?
I would think if they were any good that they would have been?
Or are you saying they were given too large of zones of fire to control?
If by “They” you mean DHS and/or Cheetos… the quotes from a number of campaign and RNC folks as well as RFK, Jr. was that the protection was dialed back or denied. Despite ramping rhetoric.
After convention, the protection would have been much greater automatically.
But “they” refused to augment a skeleton detail for a former POTUS who was a presumptive nominee.
This is where the buck stops. And with the advance planning. Who said “we don’t cover that building?” And why?
IMHO not with the ground team…
Sirhr
I sort of agree but need to add that our election system provides USSS to any candidate that reaches the point of being the top dog on the Presidential ballot. Not to mention that they will get read on to some of the intel reports. So any candidate that gets breaks the threshold will get USSS and intel reports with no regard to prior political standing.
It’s not a matter of past status as president for DJT. It’s another factor as he is ALREADY provided USSS coverage, along with being the next candidate on the ballot. Not that it should be he gets “more” protection of sorts. If there’s anything to really dig into it’s more of the advance team site reporting, assignment to local LEOs, etc etc etc . Bet you a beer that local LEO and Mayor//City Council have been burning the midnight oil to know who spoke to who, when, what instructions were received...
I don’t want to be under any microscope for this BS. Hope to god no one tries to cover their ass or sweep stuff under the rug.
One team for a 30-100k person open air rally with one of the worlds’ biggest targets?
How many marksman teams are at a mere football game?
Yeah… they should have been bitching. But… you bitch and then get the job done. And because it is the Secret Service and their folks take that seriously… you won’t see them on Tucker tomorrow as the man who shot Bin Laden or whatever…
Sirhr
I was thinking the same thing. What do they think they're accomplishing with all that shit?
She is also screaming, "Russ". Not "Crooks" like I see some stating.
What did the FBI know and when did they know it?
I’m not much for “divine anything.”
But sure as hell looks like this was prescient!!
Sirhr
But sure as hell looks like this was prescient!!
Sirhr
Makes sense. Probably one over watching the crowd…. Based on position of the USSS guys on the roof, did they re-orient to look at potential threat? Based on where they were I’d have thought they would have been glassing the crowd. Or were those guys in the Dias with the rapid response “camo guys?”
Not sure how they layer their assets. And it’s probably secret squirrel anyway!
Sirhr
They probably bought him the rifle and gave him a ride to the rally.
Without disclosing sensitive info, would the SS be responsible for actively monitoring the area of the shooter? I spoke with a VP at a university that has had multiple interactions with SS (presidents, former presidents, front runners etc. at school functions) and the number of SS agents that come in was smaller than I expected.
Clearly they leverage local pd quite a bit, and the town of Butler has 13k people so I would imagine (a) not many local officers to leverage, (b) the ones who are there aren’t really required to be cream of the crop, and (c) doubt many have experience with active shooter situations.
It does seem like the shooting point should have been one of the first places secured prior to the event, but even when T came to Waterloo, IA (67k population) the security on site was meaningful but not necessarily plentiful.
Most interesting thing in all of this is the denied request for more SS in recent months
I know from personal experience that stir gets missed. I was unintentionally in a closed and restricted area within 350 of Obama In 2010.
But the roof of that building was such an obvious area of potential concern. I wasn’t there yesterday but in my personal experience above, local PD charged with the road I was on was their to “see there man!” And weren’t giving two fucks about the job.
But the roof of that building was such an obvious area of potential concern. I wasn’t there yesterday but in my personal experience above, local PD charged with the road I was on was their to “see there man!” And weren’t giving two fucks about the job.
How did anyone get a ladder set up against that building unseen by law enforcement? Or approach the building with a rifle.
Seems that should have been an impossible feat.
Seems that should have been an impossible feat.
This has A I C black written ALL OVER IT. Blackrock just happened to have personal contact with this kids some years ago huh? You mean the outfit that funnels money to fund off the books stuff? Curious huh? The roof top that is the ideal perch just happens to have a ladder and completely unprotected ? Denials for increased man power to guard Trump repeatedly rebuffed huh? This guy associated with antifa all over the place huh? The perimeter is ridiculously small around this event huh? The damned people attending the event saw the shooter WAY before the SS huh?
All of this is just a coincidence huh? I mean, damn
I do much ladder work, and it appears to be a fiberglass step ladder. You can see the large aluminum rungs on it. I would assume it was already at the property for other uses.
There are only a small handful of places a shot could have been taken from with the shooting location THE most obvious, WTF...
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One article said 4 teams and a drone. I’m still amazed that nobody was on that building.
I agree totally with those who view this failure of the SS to have been with those who let a fucking elevated firing position within about 165 yards be unsecured. Well, that and the approach to this building.
Kudos to whoever took the shot to take this asshole out (and I hope it fucking hurt before he expired), but the failure was with those who fucked up the security plan. On purpose...incompetence...dunno. But that's where the fuck up was.
Kudos to whoever took the shot to take this asshole out (and I hope it fucking hurt before he expired), but the failure was with those who fucked up the security plan. On purpose...incompetence...dunno. But that's where the fuck up was.
Got to wonder if Mike Tyson was involved in any way?
I thought the same thing until I saw this clip with the clearest audio of all the footage I’ve seen so far. In this clip, you hear 3 shots, then 5 rapid shots, all from the same rifle. A few seconds later comes the suppressed dome shot from the SS.
If you pay attention there is one suppressed(?) shot that comes way late.
The FBI has identified the shooter… it was Bill from forensic accounting…
-At the FBI? He worked for the FBI??
He used to, he got fired.
-What for?
He was a bad shot.
-That seems irrelevant for someone in forensic accounting… when was he fired?
Uuuhhhhh well basically yesterday… ish…
-At the FBI? He worked for the FBI??
He used to, he got fired.
-What for?
He was a bad shot.
-That seems irrelevant for someone in forensic accounting… when was he fired?
Uuuhhhhh well basically yesterday… ish…
Seems inconceivable that law enforcement would have let a ladder be left laying around the perimeter of that building.
I'm sure an AI program could have mapped potential spots within 400yd in a semi-circle with shooter potential.
Way to make holes in the Swiss cheese model were deliberately lined up to make this just incompetence. It was made to look like incompetence. One or two errors should have been caught by a defensive layer.
Had Trump never moved his head, what would have been the shot placement??? I was thinking just low of Temple almost dead center with it entering right at the tip front part of the ear.
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