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View thread Contact support100% suspect this to be true. To me that video clearly shows those guys tracking the shooter through their scopes. You don't search for a human sized target at 130 yards through a scope, they were both on and didn't fire. And this tree shit, maybe obscured them, idk... but they obviously had LOS to take a shot after they got back on their guns. I think all shots until that 1 single shot at the very end were from the same shooter. 4 people total got shot by that guy, unlikely three shots hit 4 people but maybe. The muzzle report on all 8 or so shots sounds the same. The 1 at the end sounds a bit different. They all sounded suppressed to me.speculation or real? i guess we might find out later.
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Those reports are now being written so the “facts” reported later will be backwards compatible. There are also several careers on the line here also, which will undoubtedly impact the “facts”.
Without disclosing sensitive info, would the SS be responsible for actively monitoring the area of the shooter? I spoke with a VP at a university that has had multiple interactions with SS (presidents, former presidents, front runners etc. at school functions) and the number of SS agents that come in was smaller than I expected.
Clearly they leverage local pd quite a bit, and the town of Butler has 13k people so I would imagine (a) not many local officers to leverage, (b) the ones who are there aren’t really required to be cream of the crop, and (c) doubt many have experience with active shooter situations.
It does seem like the shooting point should have been one of the first places secured prior to the event, but even when T came to Waterloo, IA (67k population) the security on site was meaningful but not necessarily plentiful.
Most interesting thing in all of this is the denied request for more SS in recent months
it is possible they saw the shooter but not the weapon, until the last moments. at some point, hopefully we will hear their story.100% suspect this to be true. To me that video clearly shows those guys tracking the shooter through their scopes. You don't search for a human sized target at 130 yards through a scope, they were both on and didn't fire. And this tree shit, maybe obscured them, idk... but they obviously had LOS to take a shot after they got back on their guns. I think all shots until that 1 single shot at the very end were from the same shooter. 4 people total got shot by that guy, unlikely three shots hit 4 people but maybe. The muzzle report on all 8 or so shots sounds the same. The 1 at the end sounds a bit different. They all sounded suppressed to me.
Suppressed shots from a distance. All you're hearing is the supersonic Crack of the bullets going by the microphone.
Thomas Massie has this correct..
He'll still get 6 votes come November!The only shame is IT can only be killed once.
Rot in hell motherfucker.
The left, Cenk of the TYT, here admits defeat: that this is an act of submission, unilateral surrender, a result of when your ideas are too weak on its own but it has to resort to end you physically, and that he often called Trump a coward but here he was a brave hero and can't deny these two facts.
10:40+ video from march 2024
hair raising shit…
We’re still waiting to find out what really happened to JFK.The inability of humanity to wait, instead of speculate, always entertains me.
-Stan
Perhaps it was a .22lr “AR style”? Sadly we may never know. It bet it gets spun as an “assault rifle”. The only evidence I’ve seen pointing the contrary is the civilian responder to the person that died, and his description of the wound. One of the rounds also severed a hydraulic line on a forklift holding up speakers about another 50-60yd beyond the stage.
i agree, or at least i used to be inclined to wait for the "official" story.The inability of humanity to wait, instead of speculate, always entertains me.
-Stan
Irony....best straight up video is from Sky News Aussieland.
BTW, the best actions from the SS seems to be the female.
She was on top of it from the get go.
I *think* the cops are using Remmy 2010 bolt guns....but could be wrong as it isn't that good of a pic to decipher what...well....kind of gun it is.
A stunned witness, named only as Greg, told the BBC he saw the would-be assassin climb onto the top of a building outside the event, and that he was bewildered by the lack of action from agents.
He said: 'I'm thinking to myself, why is Trump still speaking, why have they not pulled him off the stage? The next thing you know, five shots ring out.'
After the gunman opened fire he saw the Secret Service 'blow his head off,' the man said.
In person yes, an audio recording no. What does it sound like being downrange and perpendicular? Does it sound like thunder in all the YouTube videos you watch?
They’re reporting bomb making supplies found at his house as wellExplosives found in Shooters car
(Article paywalled, but seems to say car was at the event)
Being in DC, we had way more resources for a sitting President than a former POTUS would, to include multiple agencies and active military units to task with all the layers. I literally had access to the podium that Clinton spoke from mere hours later, along with the whole field of the inner perimeter, so I was looking outwards at all the vantage points that surrounded the field. I had been around various dignitaries and Clinton before.Without disclosing sensitive info, would the SS be responsible for actively monitoring the area of the shooter? I spoke with a VP at a university that has had multiple interactions with SS (presidents, former presidents, front runners etc. at school functions) and the number of SS agents that come in was smaller than I expected.
Clearly they leverage local pd quite a bit, and the town of Butler has 13k people so I would imagine (a) not many local officers to leverage, (b) the ones who are there aren’t really required to be cream of the crop, and (c) doubt many have experience with active shooter situations.
It does seem like the shooting point should have been one of the first places secured prior to the event, but even when T came to Waterloo, IA (67k population) the security on site was meaningful but not necessarily plentiful.
Most interesting thing in all of this is the denied request for more SS in recent months
Those reports are now being written so the “facts” reported later will be backwards compatible. There are also several careers on the line here also, which will undoubtedly impact the “facts”.
How does a 20yr get a suppressor is the question.Thunder was a poor analogy.
Its fucking loud down range from a 223 at 135yds.
Where did this shitbag get his supressor?
Have they showed a pic of the weapon yet?
Wild speculation.
Like bleach and ammonia?They’re reporting bomb making supplies found at his house as well
Listen to the video again.
It wasn't suppressed, that is CLEAR. From 135yds away, a 223 would have sounded like thunder.
22LR only thing I heard in the video.
Look at the shooter.
If im wrong ill eat my crow like a good boy.
Are you sure it was suppressed.How does a 20yr get a suppressor is the question.
He has the right hair to use a creedmoorWas it a 6.5 Creedmoor.
Sorry, I had to.
That witness, along with the CS on the rooftops seeing someone prone with a rifle seven minutes before shots fired should have had Trump off the podium and covered immediately. We can not, and should not, accept any lame excuses for this.* The eye witnesses outside the perimeter who saw the shooter moving into position should not have been the first ones to see him. That is the part that people will find very troublesome to digest, though it could just be a symptom of reduced SS PPD, CAT, and PC SS agents having to rely more on locals.
Can’t confirm 100% of course. But not hearing any gunshot blast after the bullet cracks by is the only explanation I can come up with. Gun shot from Les than 150 yards away is very audible and distinctive. I’m sure everyone on here can agree with that.Are you sure it was suppressed.
I don’t care what he professed or prayed or is said to have believed. You don’t take a rifle and try to shoot a presidential candidate from either party and then waltz into heaven. Once saved always saved is a lie. Sin sends you to hell, and murder is sin. Mr long haired shooter hippie is in hell as we speakView attachment 8458528
I joke with my kids that if I go to hell because I eat meat on Friday but a rapist can go to heaven if he is truly sorry..something is wrong
BS. Stop giving them excuses. Any viable shooting positions should've been identified prior to the rally. If anything, it is more worrisome is that the shooter knew to go exactly to this position - how did he know to do that? Do you think that was random? I highly doubt this 20 y.o. without a military or tactical background could do this on his own. Think about that. And the video from his truck more worrisome. Come on man.The CS team we've seen videos and pictures of had their line of sight clearly blocked by a tree. Several versions of this have placed the CS team on the wrong roof and the shooter on the wrong side of the roof. See 3D renders below for accurate placement.
How does a 20yr get a suppressor is the question.
How does a 20yr get a suppressor is the question.
Pretty sure what she is yelling is being misquoted/misheard, sounded more like "Ross" to me.This video is fascinating.
It seems like Crooks’ own people are trying to get him to stop.
-Stan
How does a 20yr get a suppressor is the question.
Can’t confirm 100% of course. But not hearing any gunshot blast after the bullet cracks by is the only explanation I can come up with. Gun shot from Les than 150 yards away is very audible and distinctive. I’m sure everyone on here can agree with that.