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Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!
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i'm sure the fbi will figure out what happened.
Explosives found in Shooters car
(Article paywalled, but seems to say car was at the event)
(Article paywalled, but seems to say car was at the event)
100% suspect this to be true. To me that video clearly shows those guys tracking the shooter through their scopes. You don't search for a human sized target at 130 yards through a scope, they were both on and didn't fire. And this tree shit, maybe obscured them, idk... but they obviously had LOS to take a shot after they got back on their guns. I think all shots until that 1 single shot at the very end were from the same shooter. 4 people total got shot by that guy, unlikely three shots hit 4 people but maybe. The muzzle report on all 8 or so shots sounds the same. The 1 at the end sounds a bit different. They all sounded suppressed to me.speculation or real? i guess we might find out later.
Blondie in the blue shirt isn't Crooks. Troll that tried being funny because he looks similar and now has half the internet pissed at him it seems.
It's pretty standard procedure these days. Throw a bunch of shit out there for consumption. Enough different aspects/takes where something will resonate with 90% of people. Then everyone will have different "facts", and the "truth" no longer matters.
Intentional? Meh, you be the judge.
All areas within 1000 yards of the podium should've been scouted out in pre-event assessment and covered..
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It’s like watching Biden trying to walk off stage on fast forward.
Also think that ground team got on top of Trump way too fast. Up the stairs and on him in under 3 seconds... I bet that whole team was qued up to a threat. I want to hear the radio chatter for 5 mins before the shooting.
it is possible they saw the shooter but not the weapon, until the last moments. at some point, hopefully we will hear their story.
Exactly. The government has lied to us so many times about so many things that it’s a fact they will lie like a cheap rug about off of this.
The inability of humanity to wait, instead of speculate, always entertains me.
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He'll still get 6 votes come November!
Despite all that Stenk can go wash his mouth out with a 12 gauge.
maybe we shouldn't feel jaded about the fbi, but who was punished or even fired for covering up the laptop for years?
We’re still waiting to find out what really happened to JFK.
If youre waiting for the truth you’ll be long dead before you find it.
Might as well join in on the speculation.
Goddammit...enough with the AR shit.
All this shit is wild speculation in the absence of the facts. Including from me, which is why I said ill be happy to eat crow.
They throw enough shit against the wall till you believe nothing. Obama told you their playback.
Here, this is how they identify an AR.
i agree, or at least i used to be inclined to wait for the "official" story.
but now we face the reality that our government is full of liars...
they told us for 20 years that we were winning in afghanistan, while privately admitting it was unwinnable...
51 current and former intelligence officers told us hunter's laptop was russian disinformation...
they told us they killed the kabul bombers after they blew up a carload of kids delivering water...
do you really want to wait for the "official" story?
I guess us “commoners” are getting our expectations managed/lowered on what to expect from the “ground team” when a former President and current candidate is under fire.
I expected to see SS in complete control NOT POTUS
I expected SS to keep POTUS’s head down and IMMEDIATELY move him off the X
I expected all Agents to be strong enough and tall enough to accomplish these simple tasks. The female agent was no where near tall enough or strong enough for this basic task.
I did not expect to see POTUS fully exposed multiple times, and stationary.
I love the photo op. Best thing it could’ve happened. But when watching that video, I am shocked they were allowed to happen.
I expected to see SS in complete control NOT POTUS
I expected SS to keep POTUS’s head down and IMMEDIATELY move him off the X
I expected all Agents to be strong enough and tall enough to accomplish these simple tasks. The female agent was no where near tall enough or strong enough for this basic task.
I did not expect to see POTUS fully exposed multiple times, and stationary.
I love the photo op. Best thing it could’ve happened. But when watching that video, I am shocked they were allowed to happen.
You mean the female that was so jacked up she couldn’t holster her pistol?
Thomas Matthew Crooks pictured: Everything we know
Yearbook images have surfaced of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the gunman who opened fire on former President Donald Trump during a rally in Pennsylvania.
Thunder was a poor analogy.
Its fucking loud down range from a 223 at 135yds.
Where did this shitbag get his supressor?
Have they showed a pic of the weapon yet?
Wild speculation.
Being in DC, we had way more resources for a sitting President than a former POTUS would, to include multiple agencies and active military units to task with all the layers. I literally had access to the podium that Clinton spoke from mere hours later, along with the whole field of the inner perimeter, so I was looking outwards at all the vantage points that surrounded the field. I had been around various dignitaries and Clinton before.
I also met George W. Bush many years later just as someone waiting with my wife to get signatures of his book, and I noticed all the security he had. For an event away from DC, SS begins planning for that well in-advance by coordinating with the local LEOs, sending plainclothes agents to conduct area surveys and risk assessments using a Red Cell approach, and all State and local LEOs are sworn to secrecy.
State Troopers, regional Federal Agents, military, and local LEOs are used to augment the security posture of the venue. All routes, vantage points, escape routes, Medevac routes, air threats, and contingencies are planned for with layers using a PACE plan.
Those buildings that have vantage points or Final Firing Positions would have been identified way before the stage was even built, and plans put in place to secure them. Since the SS has been short-staffed for Trump’s detail, that would incline me to believe that this area was covered by local PD and/or State Troopers.
* The eye witnesses outside the perimeter who saw the shooter moving into position should not have been the first ones to see him. That is the part that people will find very troublesome to digest, though it could just be a symptom of reduced SS PPD, CAT, and PC SS agents having to rely more on locals.
I was able to pick out several of the SS PC agents at the Bush event, for example, which was nowhere near the attendance size of a Trump event, but the physical area was similar in size.
Short story is SS does not just show up the day prior and start setting up. Senior agents for the ADVON party arrive weeks or even months in-advance to conduct the site survey and make coordinations with the local security apparatus. This is pretty basic stuff for SS. They have to arrange for the vehicles to be flown-in, make airport coordinations for traffic restrictions and control, conduct a full Red Cell assessment of the motorcade route to and from the venue, primary and alternate routes to walk the principle from the Limo to the holding area out of view, how the overwatch personnel will communicate "all clear" to walk to the podium, comms scheme and procedures with the local LEOs that include all the Radio freqs and callsigns between SS, State, Local, and military pax, etc. It is not an easy job at all. SS has very high stress levels, low quality of life, no family life for the PPD and VIP details.
It's not just the actual assassination attempt that has got people pissed off, it's all the vitriol leading up to it; all the people demanding that Trump (and his supporters) be "removed", "eliminated", or outright assassinated. Did Secret Service visit Goldman after his above comments, or Biden after calling Trump multiple times a threat to our democracy, a threat to our nation, and that he needs to have bullseye just 6 days ago? Why does "Dark Branden" get a pass?
We know who the threat to this nation is, and it is within the walls of our own government and it's institutions. They know that we know that 2020 was an outright coup (not just presidency, but Georgia senate seat was huge in consequence), that J6 was a set-up, as were the pipe bombs, Vegas shooting, Maui fires, and numerous sabotages to food and energy distibuting centers. The force behind all of this has directly sh*t on our Constitution while our "elected" Congress gives them more money to do it.
I've said it many times before, I will say it again - this is about principalities.
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How does a 20yr get a suppressor is the question.
It was a caliber larger than .22 lr. There is a video out there that sky news played where you can distinctly hear the crack of the bullet followed by the report. And the report is too loud to be a .22
Microphones have a way of evening out loud noises to where a .223 at 150m would easily sound like a .22. But those noises you hear on most footage are bullets going supersonic past the president. Most 22 lr is subsonic or transsonic at that range. It wouldn't have had that crack anymore.
The CS team we've seen videos and pictures of had their line of sight clearly blocked by a tree. Several versions of this have placed the CS team on the wrong roof and the shooter on the wrong side of the roof. See 3D renders below for accurate placement.
If the CS team we've all seen is the one that eliminated the shooter, they would have to had moved along the roof or fired through foliage. Either of which would be impressive given the timeline of their return fire. From the video showing them the minutes prior, it looks like they went from binoculars only, to a heightened state of alert, but likely still couldn't see the shooter.
My speculation is the CS team saw the spectators gesturing and/or yelling towards the roof and is what got them focused that direction. https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c51yly4085lo (listen at 0:55 - he says "secret service was looking at us from the top of the barn").
Overview:
Note - Spectators location. They stated they caught the attention of the SS.
Shooter perspective:
CS team perspective:
Note - Again, bystanders are able to get attention of CS team.
Rifle/Shooter location from aerial shots:
Note - Side of roof with rifle is on the parking lot side. Had he been toward the other side, the CS team could've easily seen him. Who knows if this was dumb luck or well thought out. Also some nice shrubs to cover the ladder he had placed.
Spectator view:
CS team location (note bright white roof):
Now - As to the "why" of the slow reaction from local LE, the lack of extended perimeter, lack more teams, how this individual moved in broad daylight, etc. just remember the ol' saying of "never attribute to malice what you can incompetence."
If the CS team we've all seen is the one that eliminated the shooter, they would have to had moved along the roof or fired through foliage. Either of which would be impressive given the timeline of their return fire. From the video showing them the minutes prior, it looks like they went from binoculars only, to a heightened state of alert, but likely still couldn't see the shooter.
My speculation is the CS team saw the spectators gesturing and/or yelling towards the roof and is what got them focused that direction. https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c51yly4085lo (listen at 0:55 - he says "secret service was looking at us from the top of the barn").
Overview:
Note - Spectators location. They stated they caught the attention of the SS.
Shooter perspective:
CS team perspective:
Note - Again, bystanders are able to get attention of CS team.
Rifle/Shooter location from aerial shots:
Note - Side of roof with rifle is on the parking lot side. Had he been toward the other side, the CS team could've easily seen him. Who knows if this was dumb luck or well thought out. Also some nice shrubs to cover the ladder he had placed.
Spectator view:
CS team location (note bright white roof):
Now - As to the "why" of the slow reaction from local LE, the lack of extended perimeter, lack more teams, how this individual moved in broad daylight, etc. just remember the ol' saying of "never attribute to malice what you can incompetence."
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Sorry, I had to.
That witness, along with the CS on the rooftops seeing someone prone with a rifle seven minutes before shots fired should have had Trump off the podium and covered immediately. We can not, and should not, accept any lame excuses for this.
Can’t confirm 100% of course. But not hearing any gunshot blast after the bullet cracks by is the only explanation I can come up with. Gun shot from Les than 150 yards away is very audible and distinctive. I’m sure everyone on here can agree with that.
I don’t care what he professed or prayed or is said to have believed. You don’t take a rifle and try to shoot a presidential candidate from either party and then waltz into heaven. Once saved always saved is a lie. Sin sends you to hell, and murder is sin. Mr long haired shooter hippie is in hell as we speak
A key thing to always recognize with the corporate presstitute brothels is that they are reading from a script that was handed to them, not their own thoughts. Who wrote that script?
What we’ve seen from the Podesta emails and the recent firings of the people who revealed that the Biden campaign sent them questions to choose from, is what presstitutes have known all along:
White Houses send messaging to the talking heads at the corporate media spigots. In exchange for reading the script, the presstitutes get to attend the WH Press Corps Gala Night dinner and partake in all of its debauchery. The most loyal of them are given the manufactured “scoops” for their own prestige.
Nowhere is the truth even at the table. It’s not even in their minds, similar to how students are not on the agenda of the NEA and teachers’ unions.
BS. Stop giving them excuses. Any viable shooting positions should've been identified prior to the rally. If anything, it is more worrisome is that the shooter knew to go exactly to this position - how did he know to do that? Do you think that was random? I highly doubt this 20 y.o. without a military or tactical background could do this on his own. Think about that. And the video from his truck more worrisome. Come on man.
Or "randomly" identify that position?
Fuckin, bingo. You know that soy bitch didn't carve himself one out on a lathe.
Suppressed fire is bullshit.
Remember I said it, and please serve me the crow when you prove I'm wrong.
Pretty sure what she is yelling is being misquoted/misheard, sounded more like "Ross" to me.
But is the best video so far of what went on from the criminals end.
There are a few videos out there with audio that you can clearly hear reports. Lots of extra noise going on at the time but I don't believe there was a suppressor involved other than the single shot at the end.
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