Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!

seems reasonable but the prev ?s still remain. why were they positioned where they couldn't see everything and why was a chip shot position vacant/unprotected? haven't hunted much but i know shooting thru foliage is iffy and actually unacceptable for a clean kill chance. if trump had died,hell would have been unleashed from several places. still might.
 
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Second bullet??
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Like it or not, men are a left-over evolutionary product of centuries of battle and indescribable brutality. If a man was killed, a lot of times, it was at the hands of a stronger man. The stronger man passed on his genes, while the weaker man died.

Revisionist feminist history aside, for much of that time, women were caring for the children. They were most commonly killed/died during childbirth or at the hands of men. Genetically, they basically competed with other women in terms of beauty and their ability to successfully bear and raise children.

Obviously, this is an oversimplification and a broad generalization, but there is really little question that the evolutionary path of males genetically and the path of females genetically, are definitively different.



 
I don't think it was a 22lr

That piece of equipment is probably a good 50-75 yards behind trump and one of the bullets pierced the hydraulic cylinder on it. That would be a 200+ yard shot. Maybe it got a hose or something, but im going to assume it was the cylinder. And it looks like it's a decent size hole.

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Not to mention the interview with a doctor who said one of the victims in the crowd had brain matter exposed and you could see chunks of it in the bleachers. Doesn't sound or look like 22lr ballistics to me.
 
This is an interesting read


You want to take a shot then find out the guy was holding a telescope?” the source suggested. “The Secret Service is by nature reactive…and you better be right when you do react or you’re f-----d.”


Uhh. I really hope their actual protocol is different that what is described in that piece. Pretty fucking easy to tell the difference between a telescope and an AR at 150 yards or whatever while watching through your scope. More than likely there will be an investigation that yields nothing.
 
You want to take a shot then find out the guy was holding a telescope?” the source suggested. “The Secret Service is by nature reactive…and you better be right when you do react or you’re f-----d.”


Uhh. I really hope their actual protocol is different that what is described in that piece. Pretty fucking easy to tell the difference between a telescope and an AR at 150 yards or whatever while watching through your scope. More than likely there will be an investigation that yields nothing.
Yeah so much doesn’t make sense.
 
All areas within 1000 yards of the podium should've been scouted out in pre-event assessment and covered..
Totally agree, but T has been doing a ton of events which would require more SS than he has.
Being in DC, we had way more resources for a sitting President than a former POTUS would, to include multiple agencies and active military units to task with all the layers. I literally had access to the podium that Clinton spoke from mere hours later, along with the whole field of the inner perimeter, so I was looking outwards at all the vantage points that surrounded the field. I had been around various dignitaries and Clinton before.

I also met George W. Bush many years later just as someone waiting with my wife to get signatures of his book, and I noticed all the security he had. For an event away from DC, SS begins planning for that well in-advance by coordinating with the local LEOs, sending plainclothes agents to conduct area surveys and risk assessments using a Red Cell approach, and all State and local LEOs are sworn to secrecy.

State Troopers, regional Federal Agents, military, and local LEOs are used to augment the security posture of the venue. All routes, vantage points, escape routes, Medevac routes, air threats, and contingencies are planned for with layers using a PACE plan.

Those buildings that have vantage points or Final Firing Positions would have been identified way before the stage was even built, and plans put in place to secure them. Since the SS has been short-staffed for Trump’s detail, that would incline me to believe that this area was covered by local PD and/or State Troopers.

* The eye witnesses outside the perimeter who saw the shooter moving into position should not have been the first ones to see him. That is the part that people will find very troublesome to digest, though it could just be a symptom of reduced SS PPD, CAT, and PC SS agents having to rely more on locals.

I was able to pick out several of the SS PC agents at the Bush event, for example, which was nowhere near the attendance size of a Trump event, but the physical area was similar in size.

Short story is SS does not just show up the day prior and start setting up. Senior agents for the ADVON party arrive weeks or even months in-advance to conduct the site survey and make coordinations with the local security apparatus. This is pretty basic stuff for SS. They have to arrange for the vehicles to be flown-in, make airport coordinations for traffic restrictions and control, conduct a full Red Cell assessment of the motorcade route to and from the venue, primary and alternate routes to walk the principle from the Limo to the holding area out of view, how the overwatch personnel will communicate "all clear" to walk to the podium, comms scheme and procedures with the local LEOs that include all the Radio freqs and callsigns between SS, State, Local, and military pax, etc. It is not an easy job at all. SS has very high stress levels, low quality of life, no family life for the PPD and VIP details.
Thanks for the in depth response, hate to say the weak link was local PD, but sounds like that and at least one mistake (intentional or not) by SS lead to this
 
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That’s two different ears. On the left is the R ear and on the right is the L ear. Considering homey was shot in the head I wouldn’t be surprised at all if his facial features were fucked up by that wound cavity created as the round passed through his head. He could’ve also had some kind of deformity or something going on with his R ear. Which might explain some of the bullying. /shrug
 
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