Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!

They are.

#2 I wasn't aware they had cracked his phone but it was inevitable, news to me
#3 somebody claimed it was an unmagnified EOTech or EOTech-like, I don't have hard evidence for one over the other
#10 I've seen mixed claims but I thought the incompetent lady in charge said this morning she accepts full responsibility since she was in charge

The rest sounds about like what I've heard/read.
What type of optic I have no idea but there was an optic and I am hoping we get an actual picture of the rifle utilized. The picture I looked at was too fuzzy for me to make a claim but I could make out an optic of some sort. #10 is from various sources but the local law enforcement aspect is represented here and the SS aspect in the following article.


 
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Pat, is that you, Pat?

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If someone already posted this, I'm gonna look pretty foolish!

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I miss all the time. I don’t think God needs to be on point each time. Lots of great and terrible things happen to and around us all the time. As much as I think Trump is a good fit for the US, I’m not convinced he is Christ returning.
I'm not one for divine intervention, either.

But damn, the man seems to have a guardian angel! Must be all the clean living!

Sirhr
 
I miss all the time. I don’t think God needs to be on point each time. Lots of great and terrible things happen to and around us all the time. As much as I think Trump is a good fit for the US, I’m not convinced he is Christ returning.
Not saying it’s end of times. I am saying maybe God isn’t finished with Trump yet. People miss including me but the exacting nature of Trump turning his head at the exact moment and moved it in such a specific way that caused the miss. I am no longer convinced shooter missed but more like Trumps movement caused the miss. Just look at the digital reenactments and other associated videos. It’s wild.
 
Not saying it’s end of times. I am saying maybe God isn’t finished with Trump yet. People miss including me but the exacting nature of Trump turning his head at the exact moment and moved it in such a specific way that caused the miss. I am no longer convinced shooter missed but more like Trumps movement caused the miss. Just look at the digital reenactments and other associated videos. It’s wild.
Just like a 15:00 sunny afternoon quiet highway head on accident that killed my buddy and his boy, while the wife and other 2 boys walked away. Or the bullet that cracked past many random grunts heads. Yes, divine impact is real, but let’s not make trump a deity here.
 
Just like a 15:00 sunny afternoon quiet highway head on accident that killed my buddy and his boy, while the wife and other 2 boys walked away. Or the bullet that cracked past many random grunts heads. Yes, divine impact is real, but let’s not make trump a deity here.
We don’t know God’s reasoning for what happens and we all have stories just like that. All I know is that he is in control. Scripture tells us so and if you don’t believe that’s your personal choice. But I truly believe God has a purpose and a reason for everything. We can’t always see it but God has a plan.
 
I was thinking what kind gay fudd crap is that?

Then , I remember that in 4 counties in Texas, you cannot hunt deer on public land with a crossbow unless you have a doctor's note to explain why charging and operating a crossbow can be done and how you cannot use a compound or simple recurve bow. There is no explanation given in the rules, it's just there.
got you beat. FL black bass. limit 5,only 1 can be > 16",NO min size limit.
FL white tail different doe seasons all over the state by some geographic mix determining what they think weather and growth rates will be i guess. subdivided further in some units. need a sat link to know what you can do and where you are in their scheme. like a lot of areas part of fl is overrun with does. experts i know see buck/doe 20/1. no ideas why.
 
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What type of optic I have no idea but there was an optic and I am hoping we get an actual picture of the rifle utilized. The picture I looked at was too fuzzy for me to make a claim but I could make out an optic of some sort. #10 is from various sources but the local law enforcement aspect is represented here and the SS aspect in the following article.


per napolitano YT vid eotech red dot,dpms 5.56 bought when? i am sure that is known. no comments on load.
 
I grew up in the South in the 50's and 60's. If you were from Texas you'd understand what I was saying. We experienced segregation, de-segregation and the Civil Rights movement. Growing up in Washington state I'll forgive your naievte and slanted views. If you paid attention, you would have seen my quote, "Sad as it is, it is true." As with most liberals, feelings trump the truth and attack if you're questioned . It seems that you can take the boy out of Washington, but you can't take the Washington out of the boy.
I grew up in Texas in the 50's and 60's. I was in Wash. State at Ft. Lewis during my 3rd. and part of 4th grade when JFK was shot. I was back in Austin by Dec. The mood and Christmas in Texas was somber, probably even more so than in Wash.

I wasn't in Wash. long enough to outgrow my Texas Longhorn sweatshirts that I wore or lose my Texas accent which I was constantly chided about. And I took heat for being from Texas when JFK was assissinated.
If you're calling me a liberal from Wash. with 'slanted views', you're the one who hasn't been paying attention and can GFYO.
 
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OK, ladies and gentlemen today is Wednesday. They just announced that Biden has Covid. This is them laying the groundwork for him to drop out right here. You heard it first.
saw it 10m ago on YT. a good call re an excuse how they will get him gone. do you think they will explain his big vax status and getting it anyway? does he really have it? will it put him down for keeps if he does? will this be a chance to push more doses on the retarded?
 
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I need to point something out. Trump visited my neighborhood a few weeks ago to meet with someone and fundraise for his campaign. Local LE and SS had my ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD barricaded. I'm talking multiple blocks, intersections, and cross streets. I stepped out of my front door to walk to my car, which was parked around the corner. I came face to face with a police officer who stopped me from going to my vehicle. He demanded ID and would not let me walk to my car without a personal LE escort. And yet... at an event like this, where he's taking a stage, where they have reason to suspect a security threat, they do nothing. Even when they have an entire HOUR'S notice.

Yeah... totally seems legit. /sarcasm
 
I think I'm im about finished putting my puzzle together here.
Seems to me a simple case of complacently and incompetence taken advantage of by a kid that came prepared to take advantage of an opportunity if it presented itself.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
If you are in aviation and know what the “dirty dozen” are it deals with human factors and what causes failures.
Looks like a case here with SS and LEO!
 
Depends on the load but generally .308 is slower with COTS ammo. Snipers might be using a load that's closer to matching COTS 5.56 speeds.

Shot 9, if it's the sniper's weapon, was likely a suppressed weapon.

From 150ish yards away the sonic crack might be louder than the muzzle report and the crack would arrive at the location of recording before the muzzle report.

It's possible the peaks you're seeing are the cracks and not the muzzle, if he's spraying fire under duress the origin of the crack may be changing in relation to the microphone doing the recording.

Also phone microphones are not a meter. Phone microphones are notorious for clipping max volume, just watch any JJ Fu suppressor video reporting 50+ dB suppression.

i think it was a media recording that i converted to audio only.

late here when i did it, maybe the impacts that i described could be the sonic cracks, brain wasnt thinking at the time, needed sleep :ROFLMAO:

the video i converted to audio was this one that Mr.BR posted, post 12. doesnt look like phone camera. was hoping the mics would be stereo (L&R) to see what the levels would be from left channel and right channel, but doesnt look it in the audio plot.


9th shot, if a shot is way late. delayed reaction?
 
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I have $5 on Pelosi being in on the $DJT short.

I believe the shots you hear are the shooter (3ish), then the CS team with SR25 (post 3) to suppress him, followed by a missed LEO bolt, followed by the headshot of the second shooter at post 3 by the lake. I am less confident about this than Pelosi being part of the short.
 
maybe the impacts that i described could be the sonic cracks

To be clear, I don't know, haven't attempted to analyze the audio ... the juice is not worth the squeeze to me.

When I listened to it earlier, not intently, every shot sounds kinda like a click and a thump ... maybe the crack and the report separately ... should be able to calculate the speed of sound on that day at that altitude in that temperature and humidity and come up with a good guess of the time between the crack and the report then overlay it on the audio.

Not only do phone microphones clip peaks the response time on a phone mic likely doesn't have the proper response time to reliably record the peak which is only milliseconds long.

9th shot, if a shot is way late. delayed reaction?

There are videos out there that measure the time from the first assassin shot to the sniper shot and it's something like 2-3 minutes with a lot of places reporting the sniper wasn't allowed to shoot without a green light. So, not so much delayed "reaction" as delayed "response".
 
 
No but it kinda gives you an idea of the layout and where things were. I don’t even know where they were positioned but maybe they will add that location once more information is known.
We can only hope for more info!
Sean Parnell has much high-speed experience and it was on the stage at the time or first row; he said the rounds the hit two spectators after counter sniper rounds were fired.
I think I know what you’re referring to
 
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Mentions nothing of team 3 that supposedly took the shot….

It also doesn't mention the manifesto that was found.

The shirt he's wearing looks like a simple Demolition Ranch shirt but it's actually a custom shirt he had printed himself with the words of the manifesto in the shape of the D/R logo kinda like the picture below.

It talks about how his dad worked for Trump back in 2008 but Trump fired him for no reason other than the "crash" Obama caused. They lost their house, had to give the dog away, his dad started drinking and his mom left.

He blames Trump for all of it.

iu


I mean as long as we're entertaining tin foil ideas we should go all out.
 
It also doesn't mention the manifesto that was found.

The shirt he's wearing looks like a simple Demolition Ranch shirt but it's actually a custom shirt he had printed himself with the words of the manifesto in the shape of the D/R logo kinda like the picture below.

It talks about how his dad worked for Trump back in 2008 but Trump fired him for no reason other than the "crash" Obama caused. They lost their house, had to give the dog away, his dad started drinking and his mom left.

He blames Trump for all of it.

iu


I mean as long as we're entertaining tin foil ideas we should go all out.

You have tin foil walls, don’t you?

The car, too??

Sirhr
 
To be clear, I don't know, haven't attempted to analyze the audio ... the juice is not worth the squeeze to me.

When I listened to it earlier, not intently, every shot sounds kinda like a click and a thump ... maybe the crack and the report separately ... should be able to calculate the speed of sound on that day at that altitude in that temperature and humidity and come up with a good guess of the time between the crack and the report then overlay it on the audio.

Not only do phone microphones clip peaks the response time on a phone mic likely doesn't have the proper response time to reliably record the peak which is only milliseconds long.



There are videos out there that measure the time from the first assassin shot to the sniper shot and it's something like 2-3 minutes with a lot of places reporting the sniper wasn't allowed to shoot without a green light. So, not so much delayed "reaction" as delayed "response".

the screenshot i posted last night (here) was of that entire video. shots 1 to 6 and 9 are from a smaller calibre, 7 & 8 are a different calibre. amplitude rises and closer cracks/impacts in shots 4 to 6 dont make sense if coming from the same origin as shots 1 to 3.

shots 1 to 5 are .2 of a second from shot to the crack/impact. shot 6 is .1 of a second from shot to crack/impact. from shot 7 to shot 8 there is almost five tenths (.47) of a second between the two. the two small whatever they are straight after shots 7 & 8 are .06 of a second apart. then there is 10 seconds from shot 8 to 9.