Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!

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Gee Kay said:
shots 1 to 6 and 9 are from a smaller calibre, 7 & 8 are a different calibre
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About the only reliable information you can get from that audio is the timing and *maybe* the number of shots if you count them right eliminating echoes.

Camera and phone microphones are not scientific sound instruments. They will not reliably or precisely record impulse amplitudes.

Take a look at this and see how much the amplitude changes depending on the direction of the muzzle alone at the same distance for 8 microphones ... pages 6-8 have cool charts.

Just changing the direction of the muzzle changes the amplitude of the sound on quality metering equipment.

 
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Something to ponder: shooter might have taken a perfect shot at President Trump.
He might have missed because he bought the ammo that morning. True zero’s can shift using same ammo different lot or he bought a different brand same caliber and weight bullets, but velocities and components are different from brand to brand. Has anyone thought of this? 😳
 
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Expert684 said:
Something to ponder: shooter might have taken a perfect shot at President Trump.
He might have missed because he bought the ammo that morning. True zero’s can shift using same ammo different lot or he bought a different brand same caliber and weight bullets, but velocities and components are different from brand to brand. Has anyone thought of this? 😳
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He forgot the coriolis effect.

Matters beyond 100 now thanks to the pole flip.

Sirhr
 
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Expert684 said:
Something to ponder: shooter might have taken a perfect shot at President Trump.
He might have missed because he bought the ammo that morning. True zero’s can shift using same ammo different lot or he bought a different brand same caliber and weight bullets, but velocities and components are different from brand to brand. Has anyone thought of this? 😳
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I mean, seeing as we're on a forum called Sniper's Hide, where everybody can get first-round hits on 1/4-MOA targets at 1,800 yards with a .308, I think we all know this already haha.

But in all seriousness, yes... most shooters who know their shit get their rifles zeroed and DOPE established with a consistent lot of ammo—whether their own hand loads or factory/box. I buy my ammo in 1,000-round lots and re-zero and gather new workup data out to 1,000 yards every time I switch lots. That said... at under 200 yards, I don't think it would matter much. The shooter "missed" because Trump turned his head at the last second, most likely as the shooter was puling the trigger. So I don't think the ammo mattered much.

What would actually have a larger impact on hitting or missing that first shot is wind and cold-bore vs hot. I highly doubt this kid gathered DOPE on one of his dad's random ARs (one gun among many) to the point where he mapped out its cold-bore shot.
 
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did trump inadvertently saw lives? the shooter that has been ,so far,ided and described,appears to be what has become a typical mass shooter. gay,pedo,trans,plain fucked up prog? he went after trump because he was close. he showed some ability to recon,plan,position,execute. and shoot.
had trump not been available might he have gone after another rep gathering close to him? if trump went down at rnd 1 or 2 there was time for him to get off 2-5(?) more and kill and severely wound 1 more. wild shot into the machime. actually lucky that only 2 more bystanders were hit. we saw in vegas what high volume fire could do in a large solid but distant crowd. just asking.
 
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Expert684 said:
Something to ponder: shooter might have taken a perfect shot at President Trump.
He might have missed because he bought the ammo that morning. True zero’s can shift using same ammo different lot or he bought a different brand same caliber and weight bullets, but velocities and components are different from brand to brand. Has anyone thought of this? 😳
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Except his shot was on, except for the wind hold.
 
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and that was dead on with a torso shot< 1"away from fatal or perm damage.
in fact,if my 1st shot was 1" out @ 150ish with a fairly unfamiliar gun,in ? condition,prob untested load,an optic with no mag,and i bet a poor trigger,shitty poition i would be delighted. i think anyone should/would be.
know quality gun,known worked with load,good trigger,appropriate optic,solid rest still acceptable IMHO.
 
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mosin46 said:
and that was dead on with a torso shot< 1"away from fatal or perm damage.
in fact,if my 1st shot was 1" out @ 150ish with a fairly unfamiliar gun,in ? condition,prob untested load,an optic with no mag,and i bet a poor trigger,shitty poition i would be delighted. i think anyone should/would be.
know quality gun,known worked with load,good trigger,appropriate optic,solid rest still acceptable IMHO.
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Yeah, apparently he went for the head. Or he did go for torso and missed high. Who knows for sure...
 
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Smoketheclay said:
This is fake. It's not continuous time. Trumps hand was not in the air when the shot broke.

Elevation was on. Wind moved the shot...head turn did help too though...just not as extreme as this video.

Had the shooter taken wind into account properly, he would have nailed Trump. Good thing he didn't
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not really

In video footage filmed by
@C3PMeme
, Trump could be seen doing a similar 'head tilt' as he did where he quite literally dodged a bullet.
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Smoketheclay said:
This is fake. It's not continuous time. Trumps hand was not in the air when the shot broke.

Elevation was on. Wind moved the shot...head turn did help too though...just not as extreme as this video.

Had the shooter taken wind into account properly, he would have nailed Trump. Good thing he didn't
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Wasn’t the shot at 130ish yards.

Just how much was the wind blowing that day ?
 
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vinniedelpino said:
I want to see Trump fire the SS and hire his own security force made up of the most gnarly, badass savages walking the earth.

Pay them out of campaign funds and send a silent message about the level of corruption in the gov.
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Some might do it for free ;)!

JAS-SH said:
Yesterday afternoon we came within .1mil from the start of a hot civil war.....

Remember the start of WWI?
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Nothing would have happened if they had succeeded. It’s almost football season.

UKDslayer said:
This needs to be sorted out if true quickly. This is what can start a... Conflict.
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See above.

DocUSMCRetired said:
Seeing a ton of people fired up online. This likely brought us 30 min closer to midnight.
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Doubtful. People like to talk but conservatives follow the law. We ain’t the ones gonna be out rioting and crap.

samadisoulcrusher said:
The UKes will be replaced with 3rd world migrants scum!
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My bad, wrong thread, but you are right.
 
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New information:

1. Video captured shooter casing the building about an hour before Trump took stage. You can see him walking in background.

2. SS claims they requested a police cruiser be parked by that building as a deterrent and local LE denied request, stating they didn't have the resources.

3. FBI hacked shooter's phone and discovered he had been researching the appearance/speaking schedules for BOTH Trump and Biden... implying he was considering to assassinate and/or shoot up the crowds at either one or both. So this is in line with info coming from former classmates that he hated ALL politicians and this might not have been an attack on the Republican party, specifically. Merely the most opportunistic target at the time.

 
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FourT6and2 said:
New information:

1. Video captured shooter casing the building about an hour before Trump took stage. You can see him walking in background.

2. SS claims they requested a police cruiser be parked by that building as a deterrent and local LE denied request, stating they didn't have the resources.

3. FBI hacked shooter's phone and discovered he had been researching the appearance/speaking schedules for BOTH Trump and Biden... implying he was considering to assassinate and/or shoot up the crowds at either one or both. So this is in line with info coming from former classmates that he hated ALL politicians and this might not have been an attack on the Republican party, specifically. Merely the most opportunistic target at the time.

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The FBI has zero credibility left. Who’s going to believe anything they say about the content on the shooter’s phone?
 
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FourT6and2 said:
New information:

1. Video captured shooter casing the building about an hour before Trump took stage. You can see him walking in background.

2. SS claims they requested a police cruiser be parked by that building as a deterrent and local LE denied request, stating they didn't have the resources.

3. FBI hacked shooter's phone and discovered he had been researching the appearance/speaking schedules for BOTH Trump and Biden... implying he was considering to assassinate and/or shoot up the crowds at either one or both. So this is in line with info coming from former classmates that he hated ALL politicians and this might not have been an attack on the Republican party, specifically. Merely the most opportunistic target at the time.

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Crooks might also have thought (correctly) that Trump had shit security compared to Biden.
 
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theLBC said:
unfortunately, they made it so fucking easy for this shooter, it cannot help but inspire others to try again.
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Trump has the resources and means to hire his own personal security. He's going to need them even more if he wins in Nov.

He can no longer trust the government thats trying pull their SS so they can kill him for his and his family's protection.
 
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FourT6and2 said:
New information:

1. Video captured shooter casing the building about an hour before Trump took stage. You can see him walking in background.

2. SS claims they requested a police cruiser be parked by that building as a deterrent and local LE denied request, stating they didn't have the resources.

3. FBI hacked shooter's phone and discovered he had been researching the appearance/speaking schedules for BOTH Trump and Biden... implying he was considering to assassinate and/or shoot up the crowds at either one or both. So this is in line with info coming from former classmates that he hated ALL politicians and this might not have been an attack on the Republican party, specifically. Merely the most opportunistic target at the time.

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Sounds like a group that is trying to downplay “the event” to me.
 
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