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View thread Contact supportGood points that I don't know about. But I know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie PopThen lets propose a theory: There is a silent conspiracy to cover up history
Why is this guy allowed to publish and live?
Hillary woulda suicided this guy by now. Look into his behavior and past associates. Dude is batshiat crazy and has been for a while. Keep your dick outta the crazy. If you don't trust govt WHY TRUST A GUY IN GOVT!! (He's run for office!) let along a crazy holoccaust denier. (Your grandparents were all brainwashed!!! Its a conspiracy!!)
So my grandparents generation was lied to and covered up by a multinational conspiracy, through systematic elimcation of the facts, elimination of historians and this one guy has uncovered it and exposed the lie.
Ok...so. dude claims Hitler is just misunderstood and there is a vast MULTINATIONAL conspiracy between the Russians, Americans, British, Germans, French, Japan etc to collectively erase the shared experience of an entire generation of people across the globe.I don't even know anything about the guy OP posted. He's hardly the first to raise questions. No one here is going "full retard" lol.
You act like governments haven't been caught lying since the dawn of government. Look at COVID if you want a fantastic example.
But at least I'm not claiming Hitler was wronged and the Holocaust was faked.You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded
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I never actually claimed anything. I just posted what people have said or asked over the years.But at least I'm not claiming Hitler was wronged and the Holocaust was faked.
I know, "Just asking questions" Like "WHy the fuck are you wasting our Oxygen?"
they had, they were not in a bubble, and far from gullible, especially in comparison to today's generations.
I largely agree with this, but the history of WWII in 1950 is far more salient than the revisionist history of WWII in 2024.Grade school history has always been taught in broad swaths and with clear delineations of right and wrong. It also tends to be a survey course with lots of chronology involved.
It’s only once you get into masters and PhD level history that you start looking at causality and taking deep dives.
Everything you were taught about history unless you have a masters or PhD is probably just a scratch at the surface. And you were not being misled you were just being taught enough to, get through life or decide you want to learn more during your formative years.
From what I read of the interview, none of the guys assertions are wrong. Because in all of history, there are many views and many causes and often plenty of blame to go around. Which is what so interesting about studying history because there’s always some new angle to come up with.
At the same time there are plenty of folks who want to warp history or erase it or destroy it in order to further their own political ends. Bay 1619 project whack jobs or holocaust denying fruit bats there is plenty of fuzz in any history that you can come up with new interpretations to try and , make modern political points or sell books.
Interpretation of History is considered an “art” for a reason. Though the injection of more and more science (through archeology, forensics, dendrochronology, dna analysis, geology, climate analysis, pollen analysis, hydrology, living history, and tons of other sciences) the final product is still the best approximation and merely is a snapshot of “what happened.”
History is in fact infinite. Because in the chaos of the moment, thousands… millions of “histories” happened. Every individual had their own history. But we see the world through only the eyes of the records left behind… or the artifacts. Or the bones. And mut weave a story based on evidence.
And it doesn’t help that the victors write the histories… and that historians are products of their times and views/opinions/ agendas.
So not everything you kno about WW2 is wrong. Is just incomplete.
And the “wrong” stuff is often made intentionally wrong. Because revisionism and post-modernism dictate that history is only valuable a a tool to show the future. So must be altered accordingly.
Cheers!
Sirhr
I largely agree with this, but the history of WWII in 1950 is far more salient than the revisionist history of WWII in 2024.
For instance, if you read all the headlines and stories in newspapers coming out of Hawaii after December 7th, 1941 you will find that a great deal of Ink was spilt about Niʻihau incident where Japanese Americans helped the downed attacking pilots. The Wiki page on this incident (and others) scrubs quite a few first person narratives, but the impact on the American people was huge. The Japanese did, indeed, revere the Emperor as a living god, so it wasn't hard for Americans to understand that a man's allegiance is to God before men. Ergo, they concluded that among the Japanese there was a very real threat of disloyalty to America. It is my contention that we never would have interned the American Japanese if it weren't for the stark fact that in the aftermath of Dec 7th it was a fact that a few of them sided with our attackers. This is just a fact. You can argue that the internment was too reactionary and draconian, but not that it was born out of inherent racism (though that is also legit). There was a ton of emotion and zeitgeist, and to understand that does take a "deep dive" to understand.
All that said, the internment is pointed to as yet another original sin, and just like pinning slavery on the USA, it's bullshit. I find way more problem with modern (leftist) revisionist history than I do with anything written in the immediate aftermath of the war.
I've read many, many books on WWII, but I would still council to start with W. Churchill's five volume set before making any pronouncements about false histories or using tertiary sources to form your opinions. To actually understand you need to read first person narratives from the people who were there. Von Manstein's "Lost Victories" is another essential, as is Herman Balk's "Order in Chaos".
Hitler was bad. The Nazis were bad. Most of the leadership of the Wehrmacht knew this from the beginning, but they were good soldiers and did their duty.
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Revisionist history is bullshit, and academic, mental masturbation.
I’ve personally seen a dam holding back 12-14’ of water, using a two-tiered dam structure, made by fucking beavers. It was magnificent, and about 3 miles from the nearest road. I’m an engineer, and I shit you not it would cost humans a million dollars or more to accomplish what those little swamp rats did with sticks and mud.Yeah some of the guys who have studied the pyramid have said there's no fuckin way slaves could have built it.
The stone there also shows signs of water erosion. Like ocean tier erosion. Who knows how it all looked when it was built. It must have been magnificent.
Not only is this 'not' wrong... it is right on numerous levels. Goebbels learned much of what he knew from Ed Bernays... a marketing executive who became Wilson and the Democrat Party's 'opinion' shaper.Actually the generations that all went to the slaughter for WWI and WWII were some of the most totally gullible, indoctrinated, brainwashed folks ever. They totally lived in their jingoistic bubble and believed all the propaganda the government spewed out.
The start of WWI and WWII were preceded by huge amounts of government propaganda and thought control, the government working hand in hand with the "media" and "news" and "entertainment" industries to totally brainwash people and drive mass hysteria and hatred for anyone saying anything else.
You think today is bad? HA! You haven't seen anything compared to the total propaganda that our government did back in WWI, even the Nazis were in awe of how effective and total USA government propaganda was.
Add in some false flag operations, lots of lies and everyone from the government to the pulpit spewing out patriotic propaganda about why we need to kill our fellow man because... and then you have the start of your glorious war.
Oh and don't forget our "friends" the British "doing all they could" to get the USA to help them in their little war with their cousins on the continent...
And it wasn't just here that the propaganda was in full swing either...
Churchill did say that "History will be kind to me, because I intend to write it!"I largely agree with this, but the history of WWII in 1950 is far more salient than the revisionist history of WWII in 2024.
For instance, if you read all the headlines and stories in newspapers coming out of Hawaii after December 7th, 1941 you will find that a great deal of Ink was spilt about Niʻihau incident where Japanese Americans helped the downed attacking pilots. The Wiki page on this incident (and others) scrubs quite a few first person narratives, but the impact on the American people was huge. The Japanese did, indeed, revere the Emperor as a living god, so it wasn't hard for Americans to understand that a man's allegiance is to God before men. Ergo, they concluded that among the Japanese there was a very real threat of disloyalty to America. It is my contention that we never would have interned the American Japanese if it weren't for the stark fact that in the aftermath of Dec 7th it was a fact that a few of them sided with our attackers. This is just a fact. You can argue that the internment was too reactionary and draconian, but not that it was born out of inherent racism (though that is also legit). There was a ton of emotion and zeitgeist, and to understand that does take a "deep dive" to understand.
All that said, the internment is pointed to as yet another original sin, and just like pinning slavery on the USA, it's bullshit. I find way more problem with modern (leftist) revisionist history than I do with anything written in the immediate aftermath of the war.
I've read many, many books on WWII, but I would still council to start with W. Churchill's five volume set before making any pronouncements about false histories or using tertiary sources to form your opinions. To actually understand you need to read first person narratives from the people who were there. Von Manstein's "Lost Victories" is another essential, as is Herman Balk's "Order in Chaos".
Hitler was bad. The Nazis were bad. Most of the leadership of the Wehrmacht knew this from the beginning, but they were good soldiers and did their duty.
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Revisionist history is bullshit, and academic, mental masturbation.
But the most recent research indicates that it was not slaves... it was a population that was committed to their sun god... who was willing to give up months or years of their lives to work on the project. Similar to Stonehenge or the Easter Island heads.I’ve personally seen a dam holding back 12-14’ of water, using a two-tiered dam structure, made by fucking beavers. It was magnificent, and about 3 miles from the nearest road. I’m an engineer, and I shit you not it would cost humans a million dollars or more to accomplish what those little swamp rats did with sticks and mud.
Don’t underestimate hard labor and determination.
I never actually claimed Michelle Obama ass rammed you on a daily basis...I never actually claimed anything. I just posted what people have said or asked over the years.
I simply agree with Patton. We fought the wrong enemy. And they killed him for it.
And yet Irvings scholarly integrity still stands, like it or not.Irving is a discredited Nazi apologist and a holocaust denier. In fact, he claims that the Allies perpetrated the horrors of pictures and film from 1945.
He claims that the Joos start every war there ever was. He's a radical lunatic, and probably a commie.
Take that Nazi apologetics somewhere else. My Grandfather-in-law was an FO at The Battle of the Bulge, and received a bronze star. He was in Germany till 1948 in the occupation force. At age 96, in a 2014 interview for PBS when he was finished telling his story the interviewer asked him if he had anything to add. He said, "I liked killing those Nazis. If they asked me to do it again, right now, I'd say yes. "
you obviosly have not taken the time to listen to Irving. He was born and raised in Britan. Because there was no work in britan after ww2 he took a job in a steel mill in germany where he learned to read, write, and speak german out of necessity. It was there that he heard firsthand accounts of the war from the German people. We wouldnt know anything about the horrors of the Dresden bombing without the extensive research done by Irving. No one is discrediting the war effort of courageous americans like your grandfather in law who answered the call. There was a lot of deception done by government leaders. It is prudent to learn both sides of history.Irving is a discredited Nazi apologist and a holocaust denier. In fact, he claims that the Allies perpetrated the horrors of pictures and film from 1945.
He claims that the Joos start every war there ever was. He's a radical lunatic, and probably a commie.
Take that Nazi apologetics somewhere else. My Grandfather-in-law was an FO at The Battle of the Bulge, and received a bronze star. He was in Germany till 1948 in the occupation force. At age 96, in a 2014 interview for PBS when he was finished telling his story the interviewer asked him if he had anything to add. He said, "I liked killing those Nazis. If they asked me to do it again, right now, I'd say yes. "
Aaaahhhhh! My Ancestors!
You are exactly right. If anyone doubts it, they should visit some of the reservations. The feds, through the tribal governments, have pumped enough money into it to fool some, but many are sad, depressing, hopeless places.….. Look at the 'revisionist' version of Native American history spewed in the '60's and '70's. No, they were not noble advanced people living in peaceful communes in an idyllic Western setting. They had short, violent and disease-riddled lives. They sold and traded in slaves. They killed each other wholesale. Nothing wrong with that. It's how humans have been for millenia.
Sirhr
These zealots will even fly airplane bombs into aircraft carriers, battleships and buildings or wear special vests to the market.But the most recent research indicates that it was not slaves... it was a population that was committed to their sun god... who was willing to give up months or years of their lives to work on the project. Similar to Stonehenge or the Easter Island heads.
Change 'slave labor' to people committed to their own salvation who will give their time and effort to build giant structures... and you get pyramids. Aztec Temples. Great Cathedrals. Salt Lake City. And the Nazi hierarchy.
One does not have to put everything under the lens of slavery. Getting folks all 'God-crazy' and you can motivate the shit out of them.
Sirhr
I never mentioned slaves. I just said don't underestimate anyone with determination to achieve something and the willingness to work their asses off.But the most recent research indicates that it was not slaves... it was a population that was committed to their sun god... who was willing to give up months or years of their lives to work on the project. Similar to Stonehenge or the Easter Island heads.
Change 'slave labor' to people committed to their own salvation who will give their time and effort to build giant structures... and you get pyramids. Aztec Temples. Great Cathedrals. Salt Lake City. And the Nazi hierarchy.
One does not have to put everything under the lens of slavery. Getting folks all 'God-crazy' and you can motivate the shit out of them.
Sirhr
The welfare system is designed to take the husband/father out of the picture. This has 2 primary implications....obviously, the first one is a lack of parenting so the kids are (not)raised with a father figure creating the cretins we are all well aware of. But it also devaluates the man. The husband. The dad. He is discouraged from being around lest the authoritays show up and take away some of the welfare money. So the man feels like crap about being just a sperm donor and spirals into a self-medicating piece of shit that we end up paying even more for his incarceration.Aaaahhhhh! My Ancestors!
lol.
You are exactly right. If anyone doubts it, they should visit some of the reservations. The feds, through the tribal governments, have pumped enough money into it to fool some, but many are sad, depressing, hopeless places.
This kid has put out some really great videos about all this with his sources. No politics or side picking. He just presents the facts as far as he has read and studied them.
Sir, this is the Bear Pit....right before you go full retard?
And there goes the “i read multiple sources and first person account narrative…” Youre just as biased or even more than those commies you claim are reinventing history…Irving is a discredited Nazi apologist and a holocaust denier. In fact, he claims that the Allies perpetrated the horrors of pictures and film from 1945.
He claims that the Joos start every war there ever was. He's a radical lunatic, and probably a commie.
Take that Nazi apologetics somewhere else. My Grandfather-in-law was an FO at The Battle of the Bulge, and received a bronze star. He was in Germany till 1948 in the occupation force. At age 96, in a 2014 interview for PBS when he was finished telling his story the interviewer asked him if he had anything to add. He said, "I liked killing those Nazis. If they asked me to do it again, right now, I'd say yes. "
PS: Just to add i wonder how many of you know that a civil war that you fought wasn't one tiny little bit about slavery or secession but about North exploiting the South and fucking South over with unjust tariffs and taxes and federal "overreach"... Not many i would guess...and its your own basic history.
I never mentioned slaves. I just said don't underestimate anyone with determination to achieve something and the willingness to work their asses off.