I should think it doesn't then, you would really know by now.
Is the Bart drilled through a land or groove?
Lol "Put out or get out" done thought that a few times troubleshooting!
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White oak armament accuracy
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The Bartlein was made by CLE and they centered the gas port in a groove and beveled the port. It was impressiv.
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Yup, that's top notch. There isn't a consensus on the gas port placed in the groove, but it sure makes sense to me. Less protrusion to misshapen a jacket sure sounds like a winner to me.
Your gas port look pretty good compared to others though. Am I seeing some gas block misalignment with the hole? Some gas blocks require .025 from the barrel shoulder. I use a bore scope to align mine.
Of course. Just might need some break in. So if it's not gnat's ass grouping out the gate, there is hope.
Not a 5×5 but just got one of my carbines zeroed at 100and the barrel did well. 16" WOA midlength shooting 77gr Razorcore using a NF 2.5-10X24, average for 15 rounds is about .82". The 55 gr is PMC ball ammo and did about how you'd expect at 100.
I would be most interested in hearing your upper assembly process, if you have time.
If this request is considered derailing @Rob01 let me know and I'll move it to a different thread.
BCM makes great uppers. They are thermal fit which is the big difference between them and most (Aero)
I wish they offers an upper without the fwd assist.
The only thermal fit upper I could find without a fwd assist was the Vltor.
Choot it. Clean it maybe. Choot it some more.
I am at Camp Perry now and White Oak has been here since Thursday.
John has a number of barrels for sale in six different price levels depending on the cost of the blank. The three most expensive are cut-rifled Krieger, Bartlein, and Brux.
He typically steers beginners and new shooters or high-volume precision shooters to his economy barrels from Wilson and Douglas because they will go through them faster due to more practices and matches before replacement.
My son just bought a spare Bartlein and John reminded him it's got a Wylde chamber while we shoot USAMU-length 5.56 loads
John has a number of barrels for sale in six different price levels depending on the cost of the blank. The three most expensive are cut-rifled Krieger, Bartlein, and Brux.
He typically steers beginners and new shooters or high-volume precision shooters to his economy barrels from Wilson and Douglas because they will go through them faster due to more practices and matches before replacement.
My son just bought a spare Bartlein and John reminded him it's got a Wylde chamber while we shoot USAMU-length 5.56 loads
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I own 3 of the WOA Service Rifle Competition uppers all with Bartlein and they are my best shooting ARs.
White Oak barrels and uppers have won an awful lot of medals and trophies. Local, state, regional, Camp Perry, Camp Atterbury...... a lot.... I've known John for a long time. Even shot on the same team with him for a couple years. He makes and sells good stuff. Buy with confidence.
I sure there is, but the skill and experience of the white oak team I would expect would bring out the potential in them. I don’t believe WOA would let them out the door if they could not compete. Yes the Bartlein is a better crafted barrel it is also more consistent.
I have what I assume is a Wilson based WOA barrel, as well as a known Wilson barrel on a R700 in 223. The WOA barrel shoots in the .7s, and the R700 will typically shoot in the .5s at 100 yards. The difference is probably me, and for an AR, that is perfectly acceptable for my uses.
My Bartlein based R700 in 223 has had a lot of work done to it and will shoot in the .2s
I picked up a used WOA 24" 20 practical barrel from a memeber here. The thing shoots stupid small groups with 39g seirras and wc844.
The only thing the CLE chamber shoots well in my experience is 77gr SMK s. I've found Wylde chambers to be less finicky
But it shoots the 77gr SMK tighter than any other chambering I've even seen, also don't forget TWIST RATE plays a large part as well.
It's true the CLE Match Chamber does like the 77gr SMK's in a 1-7.7 Twist, but it also favors the 55gr-60gr V-Max, 73gr Berg and 80gr SMK.
In my experience it definitely does seem to hate fuck ammo in just about everything < 50gr as well as 62gr, 75gr, 68gr
I have many, many cans of mk262. It shoots Hornady 75’s, Sierra 69’s well too. 73eld, 77rdf..ect. Don’t even waste your time. Although those suck in any gas gun in my experience.
If you really want to confuse the FNG's start talking about Nato, Wylde, .223 and CLE
A lot of people have noted the Wylde chamber shoots the 75gr Hornadys much better than the CLE chamber. That's why I made that statement. I can't confirm with 73's or 55's bc I don't shoot those bullets in precision gas guns. But the bias to 77 SMKs in the CLE chamber has been noted a lot on this forum. It does not shoot some of those other bullets as well as the Wylde chamber.
Ya, I don't get why someone would want the CLE chamber. I think it's just limiting. I'm betting it was designed specifically for 77SMKs in precision gas gun. But the Wylde already does that for you. I think it's just people jumping on a bandwagon who don't have experience with different chambers.
Yeah, I believe that you are correct that it was created as a no excuse chamber to support 77smks in National Match course shooting (where WOA made their bones).
Haha. Tell that to the award winning shooters using the CLE chamber. Nothing wrong with the wylde chamber at all but the CLE imo is more accurate when hand loading but that’s just my experience over the last 15 years. YMMV
I agree, if I was ONLY going to shoot 77SMKs in competition, it would be my first choice.
Which they're probably only using as a consequence of using a CLE barrel. Meanwhile a lot of award winning shooters use Wylde chambered barrels. Hence why WOA chambers them.
The CLE is no compromise chamber for the 77, the Wylde adds additional freebore that allows it to be a more universal chamber that does most things really well. My new Bolt gun goes further with a Match chamber (even longer freebore .080 vs .060)
Wait, wait…
So you’re telling me the thing made to do one thing only does that one thing only better than the thing made to do more than one thing?
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So you’re telling me the thing made to do one thing only does that one thing only better than the thing made to do more than one thing?
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I don't think we've confirmed it does it better. There's big competitions where people try to prove that. No one has presented data that confirms it. What we're saying is it doesn't do anything else as well as other things
I'm just curious now as it appears I've missed something. You can order a WOA barrel with a Compass Lake CLE chamber?
He's talking about John Hollinger of White Oak, and yes he will do a CLE Chamber in his Kreiger and Bartlein blanks.
Frank White of CLE hasn't turned any barrels in a few years.
Paul Craddock of Craddock Precision also offers the CLE chamber. I just received a 20" Bartlein Chrome Moly 1-7.7 Twist with the CLE chamber.
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They do CLE in their house blanks too. Had them do it many times. Also, Paul makes wonderful stuff and is a stand up guy.
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I haven't shot it yet, but it's a Craddock Bartlein sooooo im sure it will perform.
The barrel still needs to go to Cryo and cerakote. The Chrome Moly Bartlein is going to be a Data Collection and Comparison Barrel for the effectiveness of Cryo, SS Vs CM. The foundation that both barrels will be tested on will be the JP SCI-20.
I had mentioned in another thread that I would be willing conduct a POI shift test utilizing the JP SCI-20 Semi-Monolithic Upper and Handguard so this will be a "Three Birds one Stone" Evaluation also incorporating the Precision Armament Hypertap Muzzle Brake.
Jake.
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