Maggie’s Motivational Pic Thread v2.0 - - New Rules - See Post #1

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Wasn't the F117 more of a stealthy plane to drop bombs/missiles. I don't recall reading/watching anything that it had any air to air defences and I doubt it would win in any dog fight - shoot at the other plane with what. Although, would be interested to learn more, especially from anyone who actually flew one.

What I find more fascinating is that the F117 is actually 1970s technology (when it was being developed), therefore what is flying now and what is being developed now I am sure would be fascinating.

So there were several issues with the F-117… one of them is the cost of general maintenance for the airframe…

The other was that the aircraft was unable to search for threats in the environment around it, unlike the B2 bomber. This made it particularly easy to shoot down because it couldn’t avoid threats as easily, and the threat space was growing. (As determined in a radar saturated airspace in Serbia using a very specific technique...) obviously there were other methods to find some of the information the F-117 couldn’t get on its own… but it was too slow to deal with direct threats by adversaries, unlike the F-22 and the F-35.

The next issue ends up being that the F 22 had arrived on scene and the F35 was planned to come into Service, and they are vastly superior in almost every manner (F 22 being air superiority, and the F 35 being multi role)… which, the Air Force was willing to spend their money on as opposed to a legacy aircraft that would be costly and extremely difficult to upgrade… all for an airframe that could not remain in complete stealth for the radars it would potentially face.
 
Someone doesn’t know they still have these next to the milk cartons.
Sure could be
Loooong time since I've bought bb's for the boys
Now they get this for birthday and Christmas.
Wrapped up, they know what their getting and all get a good laugh at ol dad.😄
But they always take em home!
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I do have grandsons that are getting close to be BB gun age though
Can't wait 🤠
 
Not to be exceptionally rude, but he’s full of shit. I’ve got plenty of time in it and it flys great. It was a little under powered compared to other fighters, but the people who complain about that don’t really understand the the role of the aircraft.

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That's fucking badass. I was just thinking "i wonder what sort of of missions a stealthy but presumably not fantastic handling 'fighter' like this would be best suited to".

If you have the time I'd be really interested in hearing about it from the horse's mouth, please. Or at least to the extent which you're permitted.

Pics n shit - Mouse dog wants to go outside.
 

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……The other was that the aircraft was unable to search for threats in the environment around it, unlike the B2 bomber. This made it particularly easy to shoot down because it couldn’t avoid threats as easily, and the threat space was growing. (As determined in a radar saturated airspace in Serbia using a very specific technique...

Our Wing Commander during Desert Shield / Strop refused to let HQ mission planners dictate our mission profiles and tactics. He actually stood the wing down until it changed. He didn’t make one star after the war because of it. Great commander.

In Serbia they threw away all the lessons learned from the gulf war and let higher HQ (lackies not briefed into the program) dictate mission profiles. The result was the aircraft shot down.

I hear a lot of people not in the program stating facts. I don’t think many details have been declassified so don’t believe much of what you hear.
 
I hear a lot of people not in the program stating facts. I don’t think many details have been declassified so don’t believe much of what you hear.

I’m familiar with a lot of specifics…. Ultimately a good deal of the story deals with how much money are you are willing to spend.

One of the things I do find very interesting, in the Air Force at any rate, is the senior leadership likes to spin stories based upon where they want to spend their money.

I’m sure if they spent a ridiculous amount of money for updating all of the systems inside the F117 they could’ve made it more relevant for a longer period of time. But ultimately, that’s a losing battle when you have newer aircraft showing up…

The F 35 is an amazing aircraft only in that it has technology that’s far newer than the older air frames. What it is not is anything close to his stealthy as the F22 (the later being stealthy from all angles), and it certainly doesn’t have the air to air capabilities of the F22 from a performance standpoint.

So we will be left with the F 35 and a tweaked out version of the F-15…