16” .308 vs 16” 6.5CM Duel out to 1250yds

I watched it the other day when he first posted it. Not gonna lie, I figured the creed was going to walk all over the 308 but the 308 held it's own. Got me wanting to try some 169's in the LMT now. I want to try the 168 tmk also.

Jack Leuba’s thoughts on the 14.5” 6.5 Creed are very interesting and he is a proponent. Maybe he would comment about the comparison…

LRRPF52 said:

He’s shooting 169gr SMKs in the .308 Win, and 144gr Hybrids in the 6.5CM.

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The 169s are fantastic, I shot a bunch of them through my SSG-3000 and they flew very well to 1000 very predictable and not a lot of weirdness with wind. The 175s I'm shooting now aren't as good past about 800-900 wind grabs them a lot more.

SFree said:

Jack Leuba’s thoughts on the 14.5” 6.5 Creed are very interesting and he is a proponent. Maybe he would comment about the comparison…

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The performance from those .30 cal 169gr projectiles was pretty impressive.
The vast majority of my 6.5 shooting is with 140gr Bergers and 135gr A-tips. Compared to a 20" 7.62 throwing M118LR or AB39 (175gr SMK) a 14.5" 6.5 will be nearly identical on drop, but with appreciably reduced wind. Step up to a 16" barrel and I get a little more MV while still being small enough to move with and I don't need to worry about NFA hassles.
Generally speaking, at sea level with a 175gr SMK a 20" 7.62 is a 4 MPH gun. A 16" 6.5 is a 5MPH gun. I do think that gaining a mile per hour in gun number is appreciable, especially if I can drop a significant amount of weight and length off the base system.

The wind isn't really talked about in the video, but given that he's using handloaded 144s and 169s, it's really a different discussion. Frankly, I see this video as more of a comparison of 2 different ammo types in 16" guns. Sure, comparing AB39 to M1200 is also comparing two different ammo types, but they're standardized in-service ammunition for program of record rifles.