An Election what if? (and a prediction, a bad one)

fpgt72 · Nov 6, 2024

In a nutshell, what if they really went with a primary process. It would have likely been Joe and RFK Jr. Even if you toss in cackles McKneepads I have a feeling the majority would have gone with RFK.

I also have a feeling that we would be having different discussions today if it had been an RFK vs. Trump race.

Not sure if he would win a fair and square election, RFK that is, and I highly doubt the "machine" would have gone 2020 for him. But he is much more popular then Harris, that is not saying much, dog shit stuck to the bottom of your shoe is more popular.

I have always said that the "swamp" is evil, not stupid, does not matter if it is blue or red. That said I highly doubt that many of the high ups in both parties had any doubt that RFK would have won a general.

So why did they not run him, pretty simple he is not on their reservation. They could not control him, and really that is what they want.

So we circle around to they did not put their thumb on the scale on the Harris side, could be she is so distrusted no one would buy it, but it really does not matter the reason, they KNEW WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE, TRUMP WINS.

So what is the game now, I doubt that other attempts on his life are off the table. They have a plan rest assured they have a next move, they play the long game remember. Something will come up you can bet on it.

But.....

Is this a turning point, boy it would really be nice, the start of the decline of the UN/WEF/WHO this is not just a US thing, but a world wide thing. People are not happy.

What say the asylum?

UKDslayer · Nov 6, 2024

fpgt72 said:
Is this a turning point, boy it would really be nice, the start of the decline of the UN/WEF/WHO this is not just a US thing, but a world wide thing. People are not happy.

What say the asylum?

I don't think it's a decline, just a delay.

LRRPF52 · Nov 6, 2024

RFK Jr. has been out in the cold and not even given a doghouse by the DNC because he dares to openly challenge big Pharma, who are the main campaign contributors to these sell-out puppets in DC. So there was no chance of him winning the nomination even if he did garner enough raw support among the delegates. Look what they did to Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard for examples.

Tulsi was really their best candidate from voter engagement and likability standpoint, but they turned her away too since she couldn’t be controlled.

Just to send the point home if you doubt any of this, RFK Jr., the son of RFK who we witnessed being assassinated on live TV in 1968, was denied Secret Service protection from the Biden DHS.

Regardless of who they might have nominated, even with charisma, they would not have been able to overcome the 13 Keys. Despite Allan Lichtman’s prediction of a Harris win, his 13 Keys are still a very valid set of metrics to forecast the election.

In this case, I counted at least 9 FALSE answers to the 13 keys, but could also really make solid arguments for it being up to 12 out of 13, and you only need 6 out of 13 to unseat the incumbent party.

LRRPF52 · Nov 6, 2024

One of the CNN puppets, in a rare moment of authenticity and honesty, said,

“She just couldn’t outrun Biden’s economy.” That was at least an hour before they even called the election.

Remember these are the same people who’ve been telling their dwindling listener base that the economy is doing great.

UKDslayer · Nov 6, 2024

fpgt72 said:
In a nutshell, what if they really went with a primary process. It would have likely been Joe and RFK Jr. Even if you toss in cackles McKneepads I have a feeling the majority would have gone with RFK.

I also have a feeling that we would be having different discussions today if it had been an RFK vs. Trump race.

Not sure if he would win a fair and square election, RFK that is, and I highly doubt the "machine" would have gone 2020 for him. But he is much more popular then Harris, that is not saying much, dog shit stuck to the bottom of your shoe is more popular.

I have always said that the "swamp" is evil, not stupid, does not matter if it is blue or red. That said I highly doubt that many of the high ups in both parties had any doubt that RFK would have won a general.

So why did they not run him, pretty simple he is not on their reservation. They could not control him, and really that is what they want.

Remember that RFK Junior didn't exactly go running into the arms of Trump without trying to stay loyal to Dems. Even after being declined a primary, even after being declined Secret Service, he's still begged Harris for a position in her administration when Joe was forced to drop out. It took no reply from Harris and removal from several state ballots including New York for him to finally go to Trump.

That being said, I think he would've had a better chance then Kamala, and if the Dems would've been willing to accept anybody other than Trump, they probably could've rigged a steal since the margin would've been as great as it was with Kamala.

Will they still try to kill him? When has any part of big Pharma willingly killed a human being for its own interest?

LRRPF52 · Nov 6, 2024

I really do think it comes down to the 13 Keys, even though Allan went cross-eyed with TDS and called this one wrong.

"Right now after a very long night I am taking some time off to assess why I was wrong and what the future holds for America," Lichtman told USA TODAY Wednesday morning.

Lichtman, an American University professor, had predicted Harris would narrowly beat Trump.

Trump, who lost the 2020 election that thrust President Joe Biden into the seat, overcame political obstacles, including two impeachments, a criminal conviction, and two attempted assassinations.

At the end of a nearly six-hour podcast hosted by his son Samuel Lichtman Tuesday, the 77-year-old history professor said he was shocked at the election's outcome.

1. Party mandate after 2002 mid-terms: Favored Trump with majority in the Republican wing

2. No primary contest. Normally this would favor the incumbent, but the Dems sabotaged their sitting President by finally letting him out to debate, then conducted a coup on him to remove him, and installed Kamala without any primary. I don’t see how that works in favor of the incumbent party, and in fact is an unprecedented indictment of their illegitimacy. Favors Trump

3. Incumbent seeking re-election. Again, they coup’d Biden and Trump is a former President.

4. No 3rd party. There was a 3rd party with RFK Jr., and he joined Trump. Favors Trump

5. Short term economy. BLS kept revising stats, jobs reports, while inflation and prices continue to hurt almost all families. Favored Trump and was one of the main factors in exit polling stated by voters.

6. Long term economy. DTI to median home price put homes outside of reach of young, gainfully-employed couples. Allan looks more at other economic numbers, but it’s hard to overcome these very real price departures from peoples’ income. Favors Trump

7. Major policy change within the incumbent WH. Whatever they did, it wasn’t positive or seen as positive by a wide segment of the voter base. The most notable seems to be the border, and that has been a disaster. Favors Trump

8. No social unrest. This is debatable, largely due to how the media has suppressed reports on illegal invaders and crime, while being forced to report on the college campus pro-Palestinian shut-downs. Allan doesn’t count any of this against the Biden/Harris WH.

9. No scandal. Biden WH has been filled with scandal from the start with the election steal, to Hunter Biden laptop, cocaine, gun possession, money-laundering for Putin and CCP, income tax evasion of the foreign money, Biden’s geriatric pedophilia, and the fundamental scandal of everyone wondering who’s in charge. Favors Trump

10. No foreign or military failure. Biden WH presided over one of the most historical military and foreign failures in US history with the Afghan withdrawal, which Allan agrees with of course. Then look at kicking out solid senior war-fighters based on their refusal to comply with the mRNA injection mandates. Favors Trump

11. Major foreign or military success. The majority of the US population does not see any foreign or military success with the Biden/Harris WH. Just look at military recruitment and retention. Favors Trump

12. Charismatic incumbent. Neither the pedophile nor heels-up are charismatic. Trump

13. Uncharismatic challenger. Trump is one of the most charismatic Presidents and candidates in US history, with more energy than any Presidential candidate we have ever seen. To add to that, he surrounded himself with some of the most tempered, likable, charismatic candidates like Elon, Vance, Tulsi, RFK Jr., and Vivek. Trump

This is why I count at least 12 of the 13 Keys in favor for Trump, and did so before the election. Allan should have seen all of this and recognized the blow-out that was brewing before him.

fpgt72 · Nov 7, 2024

I missed my point again. In a nutshell, they could have done so many different things. With Kamala they could have "fixed" the election like they did with joe. They could have run someone with half a brain, In the last two years look at who the D's have lost. Gabbard, I think that would have been an easy win. First female pres alone would get 3/4 of the brain damaged to vote her way. Or RFK, again someone that can think.

Thing is they did not do it. Why? Simple they can't have a primary. We have seen in from the days of hildabeast. They had to steal that away from the old communist Sandars, and he has said as much himself. The D's will not put someone in who they can't control, that much should be very clear.

You can say a great many things about the R's, but the "old guard" are not Trump fans. But what did they do, they did not force another McCain on us, they learned we will not support that. They wanted Jeb Bush, Rummy, anyone but Trump, some even said that. But they did go with trump. First time you could think they could pressure him into doing what they wanted him to do, Ryan all of them found out quick he was going to do what he wanted, and we saw the result over the last decade.

This time is going to be different from the first term. He has a popular mandate, and there is little doubt what his plans are, we all know the big ones. And if he puts people like RFK over say the FDA, or even just the drugs, Elon over something with tech I have a feeling things will change, or perhaps something with NASA. We know Trump will make the decision, but before that he is likely to make a call to Joe Rogen on something social media and ask, what is your two bits on this.

Trust me I am not a fanboi of Musk or RFK, but I do know what they bring to the table, and if you can focus that in the correct areas nothing but good will come of it.

Now.......

Why did the D's do what they did, they could have pulled a 2020 again, there is zero doubt on that. It would have stuck as well, I also have zero doubt on that as well. What I hope past all HOPE is we don't forget 2020, and we continue to look into making elections really secure and fair. If you look at the maps I doubt blue has much of a future if the elections are honest.

So again why, what are they planning? I know there is a plan to screw with this. Personally I doubt Russia will put in much of a fight in ending their war. Israel is a very different story, Oct before last is still fresh in those peoples minds, and the guy calling the shots over there wants to totally delete that terr group off the map, I doubt he will accept anything less. That will be a challenge. Will the D's work with Iran to ramp things up. I don't put it past them.

At the moment that is all I can think of, and a great many people will see Bible stuff in all that.

LRRPF52 · Nov 7, 2024

There were a lot of practical measures put into place that really closed-off the cheating.

If you look at the ballot drop boxes, the slots are so thin that it’s hard just to get a single ballot in, and monitors were put in place to observe if anyone drove up and tried to stuff them.

States who do early mail-in voting made it so you have to request your mail-in ballot well in advance, and they have to be turned-in by 8pm on election night. No more truckloads of never-folded ballots being shipped in from New York into PA with only the pedophile’s name bubbled-in, and pollsters telling everyone to go home like in 2020.

I’m sure there were still shenanigans, and attempts were made in Michigan to request over 180,000 ballots from a few sources, which were denied.

They’re still up to some chicanery in Arizona as we speak because the secret oath demons have to punish Kari Lake for exposing the RNC’s attempts to bribe her. They’ve been pumping the brakes on AZ vote reporting the whole time, not wanting to lose another Senate seat.

The Dems are also surrounded by young, incompetent, over-confident people in their party machinery. They also see things through the lens of identity politics and not the real fundamental metrics of the society.

Americans really don’t care about your color or creed, as long as you’re in the boat paddling with the rest of us up-river, not towards the cliff. The radical shift of the Dem party into identity politics is their own undoing, hemorrhaging legacy party loyalists into independents and Republicans.

mosin46 · Nov 7, 2024

you both make points i agree with. also,mention my worst concerns of some malignant plan being put in place before transfer of power. FS not leaving out the assasination plan that we know exists. i do believe that the steal could have been made to work with no resulting rebellion. makes one wonder about the plan. and true,the dnc is run by incompetent,arrogant young progs.

LRRPF52 · Nov 9, 2024

mosin46 said:
you both make points i agree with. also,mention my worst concerns of some malignant plan being put in place before transfer of power. FS not leaving out the assasination plan that we know exists. i do believe that the steal could have been made to work with no resulting rebellion. makes one wonder about the plan. and true,the dnc is run by incompetent,arrogant young progs.

The problem for the deep state is Trump surrounded himself with A-players with name recognition to carry on the vision for the Nation even if they whack him, so it doesn’t really help them to do so.

They are also facing the reality that they aren’t going to have an easy time putting swamprats into the WH this time, so we’ll see a stand-off sooner or later between the DOJ, CIA, and WH.

It will be hard for them to do much about it because those are agencies that don’t exist anywhere in the Constitution, and the President has power to hire and fire the heads of these administrative state mini-governments.

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