Swing and a miss. Don’t own one. Never bought one. Just remarking on a poster dragging up a thread just to piss in it.
The Fix from Q
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I know, I'm just messing with you a little. 100+ pages and there seem to be a few issues. I can say all the parts from Q are good on mine, I had a 6CM made by Tooley and it doesn't like 105 or bigger unless it's polymer tipped. It seems to be the angle of entry with a short case and long bullet. Probably needs a specific barrel extension made.
I thought Q said they were working on an extension with different geometry for 6.5 at least
Way back at the start of this thread, there are a lot of guys complaining about what looks to be design issues. I have to be clear that many other companies have released their product onto the market with obvious problems so this is not specific to "Q". This is what perplexes me.
I don't understand why a company would release products prior to eliminating the initial bugs which, are inherent in every new product, damaging their reputation, in some cases irreparably. In my mind, this shows are lack of regard for their customers.
I know there are those who's experiences were good but, upon reading the particular issues many guys had would not instil in me a lot trust, regardless of my personal experience.
A lot of the issues mentioned are of the type that leave no doubt in my mind that the issues were previously known & yet, the product was launched onto the market. In many cases, early adopters have never been compensated or had the issue rectified.
I realise everyone thinks differently & to many who own these rifles with no issues, the conduct of Q doesn't really matter.
I can't fathom why some even show righteous enthusiasm for the rifles which, are in every measure, a solution to a non existent problem.
Anyhow, each to their own & for those who consider The Fix a worthy addition to their collection, all power to you.
I'm a Baser R8 man now & what a marvelous example of design & engineering they are. Blaser could have called the R8; "Not the Fix"
Hmmm, Blaser not the fix. I like the sound of that.
Hahaha, You've got me laughing dude.
Glad to see you're getting something positive out of it. Looks to be the best use of "The Fix" I've heard of yet.
I was an early adopter. I have number 59. I shoot .308 and 6.5 creedmoor original barrels and have had a replacement bolt from Q. My rifle has been accurate out of the box and I’m confident it will fire when I pull the trigger.
As for Blaser, I had the predecessor to the R8 the R93 I was heavily invested in that rifle which actually became 2 rifles. However after numerous fails to fire I lost faith in that rifle and the company. It is known as the Blaser Click. There are all sorts of reasons why it happens, notwithstanding it does.
Unfortunately no matter how much testing any company does you can’t cover every eventuality. Blaser never acknowledged the click. Q acknowledgement certain issues and put them right. Others were put down to user error. I think by and large if you pick any Fix, be that Mini or regular, it will function out the box now days.
As for me, I much prefer the Fix over an R8. Much lighter and the folding stock makes transport a breeze. There are aftermarket stocks for the R8 and I much admit I was tempted to try one and the thought still crosses my mind but it would be £6000 all said and done and I wouldn’t be any happier. The folding stock in the same price as a Fix!!!
How well does the Q fix 6.5 creedmoor factory (from Q) barrel shoot ? Is the proof barrel that much more accurate? I am referring the 16 inch barrels?
Sounded like less feeding issues with the proof barrels in 6.5. Compared to Q
Presumably they had a slightly deeper chamfer around the chamber
But my samples were from almost two years ago at this point... so maybe Q started doing better... good luck
I am currently waiting on a fix in 8.6 but I would probably like a 6.5 barrel. I just am not sure if the proof is worth double the price of a factory fix barrel. I am curious of real life accuracy people were getting out of the factory 16 inch 6.5 barrels. I would be shooting the hornady q40 eldm out of it.
Get the proof.
I’ve just changed back to my .308 Bartlein barrel and the load I worked up previously no longer groups. No idea what’s going on. Hornady white tail 150gr is half inch so i know the rifles working.
I’ve just changed back to my .308 Bartlein barrel and the load I worked up previously no longer groups. No idea what’s going on. Hornady white tail 150gr is half inch so i know the rifles working.
The factory 6.5 barrel is light and will give you sub MOA 2 or 3 shot groups. In my experience anything over that and the groups open considerably. I've had a proof 6.5 for a couple of years now and it behaves like every other proof barrel I have. Consistently accurate, really likes the berger 135 classic hunter.
Here’s the reality, I personally have never seen a person regret their proof. I’ve seen a number of people have accuracy issues with their Q barrel. So it’s up to you to decide if you want to roll the dice or not.
If a still used bartlein I’d say go that way but if you don’t want to roll the dice just buy the proof
So, the factory barrel can give sub moa 3 shot groups? It's very tempting to try a factory barrel for the price, but seems like the proof would be the way to go. Thank you for your input.
This is purely anecdotal, but I had some issues with my 6.5CM 16". It truly is hit or miss with the factory barrels in my experience.
1st barrel was doing something like 2MOA with 140 ELDMs. Also had a shit ton of feeding problems. Sent it in, got it back in 4 weeks with a new barrel.
2nd barrel did the exact same thing but this time it was 2-4MOA groups. Sent it in again. Sat with them for something like 4 months and I just got it back again.
3rd barrel is doing a lot better. Tried it out with the 140's again and was able to get ~0.73" groups at best (with some other 1.2" groups that had flyers). Still get a ton of feeding problems even though the RMA tech said they couldn't replicate it. But at this point I'm just happy it shoots lol
I think I'm just gonna have to suck it up and buy a proof but I'm kinda bothered that I have to drop $1000 on this already expensive rifle to make it perform like my buddy's factory tikka.
^ this this this....
Buy a tikka and a lite chassis
Buy a cross
I have been much happier with both of these choices since getting rid of the "FIX"
That really stinks ! I bought the rifle for a 8.6 so I am thinking about a 6.5 barrel because I like the weight of the rifle . I have other precision rifles (so i dont need the 6.5 barrel, but would be nice to have(. I figured 1 moa would be acceptable for this rifle. But it would be really unfortunate to spend 3200 just to have to spend another 1000 on a proof barrel to get it to shoot properly. I am still waiting on the rifle. I was just tempted cause I seen the q 6.5 16 inch barrels for under 400 (less then half the price of a proof).
Maybe I just got a lemon but its weird that it took me 2 brand new barrel replacements to fix the problem. It doesn't really inspire confidence. I think the accuracy as it is now (slightly under 1moa) is perfectly acceptable. The problem is how wildly inconsistent these guns seem to be. I have a friend with a Fix that has a 22" 6.5 barrel and that thing shoots tighter than a frogs asshole. Same with my old 300blk mini-fix that I sold.
Not sure how accurate this is, but I heard the problems started when Q went away from the Bartlien barrels. I haven't heard much about issues with the earlier ones from 2017/2018.
If I were you, I'd just get one of the 20" or 22" barrels. I'm considering doing that just to make the rifle heavier so it doesn't jump so much when I shoot. I wanted this gun to be a hybrid hunting/precision rifle, but it's realistically only good for hunting for that reason. Maybe the platform just isn't for me, but I really want to like it because I'm a fan of the design/ergos
Do you shoot with a suppressor on? I wanted a 16 inch for it to be short with the suppressor. I love the way it feels with the 12 inch 8.6 barrel on (haven't received it yet or shot it yet).
I watched the kit bager review and his groups seemed to be around 1.5-2 inch groups. Is that what you were getting? It makes me reconsider getting a 6.5 creedmoor barrel for it. The proof sounds like it's the way to go but pretty expensive.
Happy to answer any questions. Also completely understand if you want to hear from someone about it that is not us. Feel free to reach out anytime.
Just hoping y’all will have barrels and bolt heads at some point. Already have a mini.
We are still fighting the good fight to try and make that happen!
I have the original Bartlein 308 and it would only shoot 175 FGMM(2400 fps) for the longest time. I switched to a Bartlein 6CM and that's awesome, up to a certain bullet length. Installed the 308 for hunting season and now it likes the Norma 150gr soft points and Hornady 150gr SST all of a sudden. Both of these rounds shoot within an inch of each other at 100yds with about 0.5 mil drop at 200yds. Still does not Hornady 178 ELD-X though.
I don't torque the barrel to spec, doesn't seem to make a difference, but I torque everything else to 40 in/lbs. Shot a 0.5" ish group sighting it in at 100yds with Norma 150's and maybe 0.75" with the SST. Mine seems to like slower 308 rounds like the FGMM and the Norma.
I'm going to test some 168 Hornady BTHP and lighter than 150gr and see what happens.
What's the current word on recent production Q Fix ?
Against my best judgement, I'm thinking about selling my Bartlein 300BLK anTI / Porksword and considering a 16in 6.5 creedmoor/12in 8.6 blackout but seems like they are not "shooters"
Against my best judgement, I'm thinking about selling my Bartlein 300BLK anTI / Porksword and considering a 16in 6.5 creedmoor/12in 8.6 blackout but seems like they are not "shooters"
If it were me, I would call Defiance and see if I could get a 308 bolt first and, just have a bunch of prefits. Helluva lot cheaper in the long run and your caliber options are better. Being limited to SR25 mags is OK for what I do with it, but is definitely a con for a lot of rounds.
I already got a Defiance 308 BF ... I might throw in a cheap faxon remmage barrel and figure out if the juice is worth the squeeze
I honestly feel like you need to ask this in a different format. Why are you looking at a fix, and what are your purposes for the rifle. This will help hone in on your expectations of the rifle.
The rifles are guaranteed moa with match ammo. I’m not sure if that applies to 8.6 and 300 subs, as I’m not sure that is achievable accuracy with subs at this point.
They are a stupid lightweight hunting/utility rifle that belongs around your neck/chest or in a pack on your way to a hunt. It’s a unique rifle that was designed and built from scratch, that’s overall not copied from really anything. It’s interesting, it’s not a 700, it’s different. If that fits your expectations, the fix is a wonderful rifle. If you are expecting 1/4 moa match rifle that will win you PRS match …you will not be satisfied with your purchase, and you would be better served building a custom rifle to fit your needs.
My issue isn't with the price and my expectation for accuracy for this type of rifle is quite low. I'm well aware this is not a 25lbs 6BR in a ACC gen2 chassis. I'm trying to find a reason not to just rebarrel my anTI on a HNT26 with a prefit carbon wrapped barrel from bughole or mos-tek (for the 8.6)
The thing is, I have a fair amount of lightweight chassis, actions, etc on hand I don't want another project, especially on a closed/proprietary ecosystem like the Q stuff. I don't want to get a 3200$ rifle, wait months only to be told when I get it "oh you need a proof barrel, everyone knows the factory barrels are shit" "oh, a 25lbs bolt lift is normal" "oh a 4lbs trigger is normal, it's not a R700" "oh it was never designed to be a switch barrel" "spare parts ? lol, lmao"
I just want a turn key system and so far, it doesn't seem like this rifle fits the bill
Honestly I'd pay even an extra 200$ to have a "hand picked" one that shoots consistently. I don't care if it's 3/4 or 1 moa but I can't stand a rifle that shoot 1/2 moa for 3 shots then the 4th one is 2in off.
I also hate the douchebag marketing and the owner but I still like the idea of that rifle ... if it's done right
There is one feature that you cant easily get on anything but the Q, and thats a right folding stock. I have one as well as a HNT/Anti/Proof rifle. The HNT is lighter despite having 6” more barrel(my Q has a 16.5” Proof). IMO it would make little sense to do anything but screw a new prefit onto your Anti/HNT setup.
So, i took the plung and bought a Q 6.5 barrel instead of the proof (reason is that it was a good price and in stock). So far I am very happy with the factory Q barrel. I shot cheap S&B 140 gr bullets and right under an inch (I have the arcarail and shooting off tripod). I was using that ammo just to zero the rifle and did not have high expectations and planned on switching to hornady eldm ammo and hand loads. The rifle is light but has very little recoil and ergonomics fits me very well, i find it very comfortable so far. I plan on doing a lot more shooting with this rifle/barrel. So far i am happy with the Fix and factory barrel. Down the line i probably will get a proof 6 creed barrel as well.
Honestly I think for you, putting a barrel on your gun is going to be the best bet. I feel if you get the fix, you will just be looking for the reason to validate why it sucks and was a bad investment.
From my personal experience, I wanted a super lightweight pack/utility rifle in 556 to hunt coyotes with. For my purpose so far it’s been perfect. It shoots consistently 3/4 moa or smaller with both 69 and 77 gr fgmm. The trigger is a perfect safe hunting weight for when I wear gloves, the bolt lift is no stiffer than a new 700. I did buy the bigger bolt handle, again for when I wear gloves. My one and only complain about the gun, it doesn’t like military primers..so Hornady Black for instance, will give me a light primer strike. I have not encountered it with any other match or hunting ammo. This is explained in the manual of the rifle, so it didn’t surprise me.
For me, my mini-fix has been everything I wanted. I hope they make the kits for 6arc for it, when they do I will make the investment.
It’s light, comfortable, I love the folding stock, and it shoots great!
Just another brief update on the 16 inch 6.5 creedmoor barrel from Q. It feeds 6.5 ammo perfectly so far (used hornady ELDm 140 and S&B 140). The rifle shots under 1 moa, it seems to be a very accurate rifle (for what it is, it is not a bench gun) , i do not notice much recoil. I love how the rifle fits me which probably contributes to me being able to shoot it well. I was able to shoot out to 694. So, far it is becoming one of my favorite rifles because of its compact size and light weight.
we’d have the room and if the extension was supplied, I don’t think it would be overly difficult.
