Final ntsb report for woman "sucked" into jet engine.
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Airports are a DEI love shack. In fact from what I have seen if you are a reasonable intelligent English speaking white guy you are not getting one of those jobs.
Let’s face it. A lot of those workers look to be lower than average IQ. If they have an IQ too low they simply lack the situational awareness to be in a job like that.
Add drug use and there is no surprise here. Companies around Denver have had a hell of a time hiring when doing drug tests that include marijuana. It’s no surprise that they’re avoiding doing it.
Let’s face it. A lot of those workers look to be lower than average IQ. If they have an IQ too low they simply lack the situational awareness to be in a job like that.
Add drug use and there is no surprise here. Companies around Denver have had a hell of a time hiring when doing drug tests that include marijuana. It’s no surprise that they’re avoiding doing it.
Picked up an airport shuttle. Driver was a 60yo skinny white guy with 2 day unshaven stubble, would have never been hired but was wearing a lovely flower dress.
Airports are pretty much the reason, I drink.
My entire military career I was terrified.of having my head chopped off by a helicopters rotors.....even though it was virtually impossible unless I got a step ladder....
...when I worked/crewed a/c in my military career, I hated working on operating jet engines. Adjusting fuel controls, checking for oil/fuel leaks, screwing with faulty cartridges during start-up. Scared the living $h*t out of me. I was a firm believer in the "Circle of Safety" when engines were operating.My entire military career I was terrified.of having my head chopped off by a helicopters rotors.....even though it was virtually impossible unless I got a step ladder....
Then there was the Turbo-Props. Hell of a way to go. Respect was always given.
Mac
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Can’t avoid drug tests if you work on the airport. They are mandated by the DOT at hire and at random.
As a climber for Asplundh in my youth, it was getting sucked into the wood chipper.My entire military career I was terrified.of having my head chopped off by a helicopters rotors.....even though it was virtually impossible unless I got a step ladder....
Apparently it had happened…..
My entire military career I was terrified.of having my head chopped off by a helicopters rotors.....even though it was virtually impossible unless I got a step ladder....
Or a durka durka sleepinig mat was sucked into the rotor of your little bird and the shrapnal went everywhere...
Not saying it happened, but it happened...
Sirhr
So you did not listen to the report.
Paraphrasing: The report here says that since they are not considered “safety employees” they are not required by the NTSB to have drug testing.
The company itself does have a drug testing program in place but there is no record of her ever having been tested…….Again paraphrasing.
How convenient…….
I am certainly no expert on what the does or does not go on at airports but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express late night. I based my comments on the source material video, in the discussion.
Paraphrasing: The report here says that since they are not considered “safety employees” they are not required by the NTSB to have drug testing.
The company itself does have a drug testing program in place but there is no record of her ever having been tested…….Again paraphrasing.
How convenient…….
I am certainly no expert on what the does or does not go on at airports but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express late night. I based my comments on the source material video, in the discussion.
“Can’t avoid drug tests if you work on the airport. They are mandated by the DOT at hire and at random.”
I’m pretty sure once the ground workers pass the the initial drug test, that the airlines give to all new hires, they are not tested again unless there is an event/accident that they are directly involved in.
I’m pretty sure once the ground workers pass the the initial drug test, that the airlines give to all new hires, they are not tested again unless there is an event/accident that they are directly involved in.
to this, I have stories. Some years of working in a good-sized sawmill.As a climber for Asplundh in my youth, it was getting sucked into the wood chipper.
Apparently it had happened…..
It is absolutely incredible when one of those chippers will eat a 10"x20"x20' cant. (think telephone pole) In seconds. But a plastic hard-hat will stop them dead.
So make sure you go in head first?
My entire military career I was terrified.of having my head chopped off by a helicopters rotors.....even though it was virtually impossible unless I got a step ladder....
First time off loading from the back of a CH-53... I remember glancing up & seeing the big ass arrow & "TURN LEFT" over the ramp opening thinking "damn there's a story behind that one no doubt"
My airline does random all the time for all above and below the wing workers.
Last shuttle I rode on was driven by a grandma trying to randomly talk about the dick she gets.
Maybe I missed out on a gum job, the shuttle was empty
Nope. KC-135's. Alert Ramp style. Have to give them a time-out, then smack em with mallet to get em out. Can be a dirty job too. mac
That's possibly the first time, and definitely the last time, that poor woman got "out-sucked".
I worked for Bartlett and heard those stories.As a climber for Asplundh in my youth, it was getting sucked into the wood chipper.
Apparently it had happened…..
I wish, i cant avoid airports. Company would probably fire me if i didnt land on one.
But walking through the passenger terminal….makes me loose faith in humanity.
Yeah, that’s not true. Now whether they get randomed in the next 2 months vs 2 years is up to the computer generated program. Multiply that by however many 1k’s to 10k’s of employees across the country is anyone’s guess.
Edited to add: my company requires all employees, and employees of contract companies to have a drug program. Might not be the same for all. The contractors are the problem usually, they operate the cheapest at every level.
I will say, as an “airport worker” myself, the level of intelligence on the ramp varies greatly. Some people are super sharp, others no, and everything in between. Depends on who takes the job seriously, that said, they’re not paid well so you get what you get. Drives me nuts when bringing a bird in to the gate, regardless of how many engines we have running, and seeing wing walkers, other personnel, on their phones, not paying attention to fuck all.
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Super sad a young mom lost her life for whatever causal factor(‘s). After watching the full video, sound like multiple factors were in play. Chick had thc in her system, whether under the effects of, maybe, maybe not. There were some dislplincary issues, not the best employee. She also had MS. Add it all together, it’s a bad deal.
When I hired on with UAL, people told us if we got seriously injured or killed, it wouldn't be from a 3000 psi actuator slamming a gear door closed on you, or from falling off a wing. It would be a ramp accident. More than likely you would be hit by a cargo tractor.
On a related note, at ORD, there was a sign that said "cargo tractors have the right of way".
One little sign.
In a place of low foot traffic.
White letters on a poorly contrasting gray background.
About 10 feet high, on the side of the terminal
We all knew why it was there. In case something happened, they could say "Didn't you see the sign?"
On a related note, at ORD, there was a sign that said "cargo tractors have the right of way".
One little sign.
In a place of low foot traffic.
White letters on a poorly contrasting gray background.
About 10 feet high, on the side of the terminal
We all knew why it was there. In case something happened, they could say "Didn't you see the sign?"
I started out on C-130 and HH-53.
Two rules were hard and fast.
Engines running or not, you never approach the helicopter from anywhere other than the aft quarters. On the 130, you never walk inboard of the IFR pods.
Of course, there were maintenance exceptions to being in the danger area, but approach and departure always followed those rules.
The KC and EC 135 had fixed rules when engines were operating, same with F-15, F-16 and the B-1B. Engines off, we were free to go about.
My days as AC/Crash Rescue wasn't the fire it was under unsafe gear installing gear pins while being two feet away from a spinning prop under full power to keep the hydraulics up. If one ever had thoughts of suicide this was the place, just sayin'My entire military career I was terrified.of having my head chopped off by a helicopters rotors.....even though it was virtually impossible unless I got a step ladder....
I started with C-141A models, then worked the B's, along with C-130E's (If'n I remember correctly).
Then C-5A's to KC-135E's(??) (Too many years have passed).
I've been on certain missions that I've had to "Hot Refuel" 141's, C-5's, and KC-135's(do to the mission, or just no ground support equip.). So that stuff kept me on my toes.
Then you'd be the "Monkey-on-the-String" doing an hour, two hour long oil consumption/pressurization run at night, and you would always have to remember to look away from the a/c from time to time, so the turbines/blades wouldn't hypnotize you. Heard stories of maint. crews walking right into the intakes/props. So there's that. Mac
Airline pilot here.
This, 100%.
It’s bad.
It’s going to get much worse.
You constantly have to be on your toes with these room temperature IQ people. You’d ask for them to split the bags 1/3 in the front cargo compartment and the other 2/3 in the back and you do your walk around and sure enough 100% is in the front which would have potentially caused you to be out of trim and get a tail strike on take off.
It’s starting to creep in the flight deck as well. Diversity hires are kept online or gets a pass in the sim for stuff that would have gotten you shitcanned not even 6 years ago. One of them recently crashed the sim mishandling the single engine failure at altitude by trimming the wrong way (or so she said) but was still hired because “she learned from her mistake”.
Unbelievable.
They pay in peanuts and are surprised when they get monkeys.
I see a larger percentage of people doing “dumb” things now, that did not act like that 5-10 years ago. Especially on the roads, where we are able to see clearly cognitive decline across the socioeconomic spectrum. I think it takes longer to see the declining average in narrower data sets.
I didn't know she had MS- that's a tough go. Sad.
Were you secretly hoping for the paisley dress or the mauve pantsuit ?What the fuck...
That is an utter embarrassment
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Rotors sure do a bang up job on a long whip antenna that some jackass forgot to fold upMy entire military career I was terrified.of having my head chopped off by a helicopters rotors.....even though it was virtually impossible unless I got a step ladder....
That doesn’t apply to the Didnt Earn It’s like the black that crashed the cargo plane a while back
Surely this was 100% the result of the drug use.
She was seen stumbling due to the jet blast when behind the engine, this would've been a huge wake up call for anyone else!
It's not uncommon for people to attempt to approach an engine while still running, whether its fatigue, lack of situational awareness, etc, but having been blown around by the engine exhaust, the impairment would've had to have been more than just a bit under slept.
Smell didn't bother me. Basically, gun powder and that never disappoints. It was when you had to handle them, and since you had to get the job done rather quickly, you'd sometimes F-up a good flight suit with the residue. LoL. Mac
We are talking about rampers here...not someone that needs some sort of skill or advanced training.
I spent 4 years in the AF , aircraft mechanic. Walked through jet exhaust a few times, just like walking in a strong wind storm , the other end I gave a wide radius, FB111, F4 ,KC 135 and C130s , in 4 years never seen or heard about someone getting sucked in to the engines, however there was alot of injuries from other stupid actions, myself included.
That’s what he said around 9:40. He mentioned the NTSB list one casual factor being cognitive impairment, talks about having MS and what it does, then launches into the toxicology.
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