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Im a NYS LEO ( ,in a Max facility) and this place is just down the hill from where i work.

As with any occupation, the vast majority of us, are very professional at our jobs, and would NEVER act this way!

It discusses me to think this will smudge the uniform of all my Brothers, and Sisters in the LEO community.
 
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Spartan67 said:
Im a NYS LEO ( ,in a Max facility) and this place is just down the hill from where i work.

As with any occupation, the vast majority of us, are very professional at our jobs, and would NEVER act this way!

It discusses me to think this will smudge the uniform of all my Brothers, and Sisters in the
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No not all will be smudged - just the 6-7 that beat a handcuffed man to death - and all those they work with and chain of command who didn’t report or fire or charge them for the other shit they’ve done - so pretty much everyone - except that Tina lady that answered the phone on weekdays she seems nice
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I don't know how some people can stand to look at themselves in the mirror.

Most likely this criminal is undeserving of our sympathy. But if they wanted to beat him they should have took the cuffs off then done it one at a time.

The cuffs protect the co from the con, they should also protect the con from the Co.

Con's should be able to know that by allowing the co to cuff them that they won't be beat.
 
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Right let’s look at it like this - the dead con was doing a stretch for sexual assault.
So if we are goi g to have real Justice - then at sentencing I’d be fine with the victim’s family beating the guy - before sentencing if they catch him in the act - even if they get a bit carried away and rapist dies - o well - but years later in an unrelated event Some state employees beat a him to death because it’s Tuesday.
And to be so sure of no repercussions because they knew they were being recorded. That speaks to a level of corruption and abuse we can’t even imagine
 
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NoDopes said:
You should fucking care. Could be you next on the side of the road and the cop thinks you disrespected him.

Did you see that POS cop that body slammed the teenage little girl for exactly that?
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Those cases are very very rare - but if interested I have about 3000 hours worth of like video .

Handcuffed and mentally handicapped men are a common theme BUT it’s 5 to one women- young and old that seem to get the most locker room points of street cred .
Loveland PD in CO has a few former employees in prison now for past years beating of the 75 year old lady with dementia- broken wrist shoulder and ribs - but the kicker was the ENTIRE force watching the body cam footage and laughing and fist bumping.

It’s a fucking sickness that needs to be stopped .
 
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I never saw a profession where more than half of the people employed in that field of endeavor were worth a flip. Usually less.
Ethical? Hard working? Took pride in their work? Knew what the hell they were doing? Half.
Sales reps, farmers, doctors, preachers, lawyers, equipment operators, teachers, soldiers, cops, firemen, and, yes, I’m sure, prison guards.
I always find it odd that people expect any higher standard of behavior for some professions than others. It ain’t there.
 
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I'd care but honestly fuck that scumbag. Killing that piece of shit was probably a good deed. Notice how they edited out whatever that piece of shit did to start the problem.

If you think the mainstream media lies about everything how can you give them a pass on the edited bullshit video?
 
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DuneBoer said:
POS is dead ? Don't care.

POS guards get thrown in jail for murder? Don't care.
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Here's my problem. At some future time some ordinary guy who just took a job as a CO is going to need to cuff a con. The convict fears what will occur when he's in cuffs and people end up hurt needlessly.
 
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NoDopes said:
You should fucking care. Could be you next on the side of the road and the cop thinks you disrespected him.

Did you see that POS cop that body slammed the teenage little girl for exactly that?
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I think you missed the point. Sexual assualter.....so who cares!

Some kings men....going to jail....also who cares!

Lot of correction to be had by one video.

Now, if the victim was regular Joe Blow, then we all care.

I suspect the beating wasnt for fun. Probably some well placed spitting or kicking.
 
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diverdon said:
Here's my problem. At some future time some ordinary guy who just took a job as a CO is going to need to cuff a con. The convict fears what will occur when he's in cuffs and people end up hurt needlessly.
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Cons are dangerous and they might try to kill you. If you are going to take a job in corrections you better have that figured out in your head before you go to work at the jail.

Most jails I have dealt with the CO's were just another gang in the jail. They "ran" the jail. If they didn't the inmates ran the jail. That never works out.

Jails are always one second from total chaos and death. Fear is the only thing that keeps things in check. If that fear is of a longer sentence, having the shit beat out of you by other inmates or CO's, it keeps things in check.
 
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sorry guys....i just can't. this is the "justice system" that let whatever happened to epstien happen. this is the "justice system" that encourages cops to violate rights of citizens, lie to them, bully them. i've see far too much to have any faith in "convicted" anything. sorry fuckers......they've lied so much i simply can't believe ANYTHING they say anymore.

who here makes it a practice to believe liars? how does that work out for ya?

so this "he was convicted...." bullshit doesn't wash. it's wrong on all kinds of levels.
 
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Bullfrog08 said:
I think you missed the point. Sexual assualter.....so who cares!

Some kings men....going to jail....also who cares!

Lot of correction to be had by one video.

Now, if the victim was regular Joe Blow, then we all care.

I suspect the beating wasnt for fun. Probably some well placed spitting or kicking.
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I've a friend who is a NYS CO sergeant. They have spit masks. Like fine mesh laundry bag, with a zip tie. Let him spit all he wants. I'm 68 and pretty sure that if I alone had a con in cuffs and I held his arm I could stop anyone short of a top mma fighter from landing an effective kick without punching or kicking.

So could they have. Most likely he insulted their mother's. But what sane person cares what a convict says.

Well as you say now they get to see the other side.
 
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pmclaine said:
It’s all corrupt and rotten now.

My old agency is hiding the story of a dude that traded a car stopped motorist his criminal summons for a hand job.

It’s been like the 4-5th major scandal since I was fired and though I have enjoyed every one, I know that this shit makes us no better than a third world shit hole.
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You've hit the nail on the head. Anyone on this or any political corruption has accepted our third world status. I'll argue that it's worth resisting this slide. Even when futile.
 
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Materials documenting the 1971 Stanford Prison Experiment conducted by psychology professor Philip G. Zimbardo.
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About the Stanford Prison Experiment​

Carried out August 15-21, 1971 in the basement of Jordan Hall, the Stanford Prison Experiment set out to examine the psychological effects of authority and powerlessness in a prison environment. The study, led by psychology professor Philip G. Zimbardo, recruited Stanford students using a local newspaper ad. Twenty-four students were carefully screened and randomly assigned into groups of prisoners and guards. The experiment, which was scheduled to last 1-2 weeks, ultimately had to be terminated on only the 6th day as the experiment escalated out of hand when the prisoners were forced to endure cruel and dehumanizing abuse at the hands of their peers. The experiment showed, in Dr. Zimbardo’s words, how “ordinary college students could do terrible things.”
 
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What you may not realize is that he may have done something really heinous to find himself in this position. If there are no consequences when these shit bags do evil things behind bars, then they will just keep doing them. Getting them convicted of a crime while they are already incarcerated is basically useless, and almost impossible to do. You want to hire humans to keep the animals in cages, then you want them to be nice to the animals when they start biting the handlers. This is justice, whether you have the stomach for it or not.
 
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diverdon said:
I've a friend who is a NYS CO sergeant. They have spit masks. Like fine mesh laundry bag, with a zip tie. Let him spit all he wants. I'm 68 and pretty sure that if I alone had a con in cuffs and I held his arm I could stop anyone short of a top mma fighter from landing an effective kick without punching or kicking.

So could they have. Most likely he insulted their mother's. But what sane person cares what a convict says.

Well as you say now they get to see the other side.
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You're wrong. At 68, any healthy 20 year old in handcuffs could kill you in an elevator in 60 seconds. If you don't believe me, grab a fit 20 year old and try to wrestle with them. You probably don't realize how much stronger than you they actually are. 20 year old you would beat 5 of you now at 68 in a fight. It's just reality.
 
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There is an investigation page on the state of New York website. It shows all of the body cam videos individually. I watched a few of them. When the call came down, they sent every response officer that they could. This is a situation of an assault on staff, or something similar. They were pissed when they got there. You don't have to like it, but when those shit bags assault staff, they should get fucked up. It's the best and really only deterrent to prevent staff assaults. This page has 30 threads a day about horrible criminals doing heinous shit, and you all sit around and talk about how killing them wouldn't even be enough. Then, they go to a prison and do the same type of shit, and you want to dogpile the guards who are doing what you claim you would do, given the opportunity. Hypocrisy at its finest. Your hate for cops overwhelms all other logic. Fuck that inmate and his corpse. He raped someone's daughter to get there in the first place, and a 12 year sentence means that it was especially horrible, or that he had multiple priors. The mistake those boys made was by leaving the cameras rolling. You should be thanking them for taking out the trash.
 
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
What you may not realize is that he may have done something really heinous to find himself in this position. If there are no consequences when these shit bags do evil things behind bars, then they will just keep doing them. Getting them convicted of a crime while they are already incarcerated is basically useless, and almost impossible to do. You want to hire humans to keep the animals in cages, then you want them to be nice to the animals when they start biting the handlers. This is justice, whether you have the stomach for it or not.
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well IF you truely believe that.....nah, you don't. and if want to pretend you do, we'll remember that when you get to be on the receiving end of your "justice". anyone stupid enough to believe that after all we've seen in the last 8 years deserves exactly what they will eventually get.
 
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myronman3 said:
well IF you truely believe that.....nah, you don't. and if you do, we'll remember that when you get to be on the receiving end of your "justice". anyone stupid enough to believe that after all we've seen in the last 8 years deserves exactly what they will eventually get.
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I worked at a prison. I worked as a yard response officer and in max. If you haven't, then you have no idea what you're talking about. That place is full of literal scum, and they don't stop acting like scum when they get there. He's not in jail for speeding, he's a rapist with multiple convictions and a long criminal history. Fuck him.
 
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myronman3 said:
well IF you truely believe that.....nah, you don't. and if you do, we'll remember that when you get to be on the receiving end of your "justice". anyone stupid enough to believe that after all we've seen in the last 8 years deserves exactly what they will eventually get.
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You're the same dude who will regularly make statements about how rapists and murderers should be executed. Well, you don't actually mean it do you? That's what happened, and now you're aggrieved by how it happened. They did what you claim you would do, given the opportunity. You see the hypocrisy?
 
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pmclaine said:
It’s all corrupt and rotten now.

My old agency is hiding the story of a dude that traded a car stopped motorist his criminal summons for a hand job.

It’s been like the 4-5th major scandal since I was fired and though I have enjoyed every one, I know that this shit makes us no better than a third world shit hole.
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Could you translate this into English please? I know what a ute is, what's a car stopped motorist, who's the dude(heh), and who got the hand job vs the summons?
 
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
You're wrong. At 68, any healthy 20 year old in handcuffs could kill you in an elevator in 60 seconds. If you don't believe me, grab a fit 20 year old and try to wrestle with them. You probably don't realize how much stronger than you they actually are. 20 year old you would beat 5 of you now at 68 in a fight. It's just reality.
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Getting old is no fun.
 
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
You're wrong. At 68, any healthy 20 year old in handcuffs could kill you in an elevator in 60 seconds. If you don't believe me, grab a fit 20 year old and try to wrestle with them. You probably don't realize how much stronger than you they actually are. 20 year old you would beat 5 of you now at 68 in a fight. It's just reality.
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I think you missed the relevant part of my post. The part where the hypothectial younger man is cuffed, and I'm starting with control of one of his arms.

Handcuffs are an effective tool for controlling criminals. Don't believe me go buy a pair and make friends with a retired cop, let him cuff you behind you back then kick his ass.
 
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diverdon said:
I think you missed the relevant part of my post. The part where the hypothectial younger man is cuffed, and I'm starting with control of one of his arms.

Handcuffs are an effective tool for controlling criminals. Don't believe me go buy a pair and make friends with a retired cop, let him cuff you behind you back then kick his ass.
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You don't understand. Believe me, you don't. Much fitter, younger cops than you get ragdolled by people in handcuffs every day. One good headbutt and they have the advantage. You hope they just run away instead of stomping your brains out.
 
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diverdon said:
I think you missed the relevant part of my post. The part where the hypothectial younger man is cuffed, and I'm starting with control of one of his arms.

Handcuffs are an effective tool for controlling criminals. Don't believe me go buy a pair and make friends with a retired cop, let him cuff you behind you back then kick his ass.
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You should watch some videos of this stuff. If you saw the George Floyd video, there were 5 of them, and he was cuffed. They couldn't even get him into the back seat of a cop car. They tried for over 5 minutes, using every method they knew, and he was just pushing back against them. Had he have wanted to be violent, they would have all been bleeding. That doesn't even account for the spitting, biting, knees, kicks, or just quickly twisting your interfaced arm into their cuffed arms. At 68 you'd be unconscious and at their mercy before you knew where you were. It literally happens every day.
 
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Im2bent said:
Could you translate this into English please? I know what a ute is, what's a car stopped motorist, who's the dude(heh), and who got the hand job vs the summons?
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Cop stops car for X infraction. Cop tells motorist, “jerk me off and I won’t write you a ticket.” That’s what I’m getting from it.
 
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Hecouldgoalltheway said:
You should watch some videos of this stuff. If you saw the George Floyd video, there were 5 of them, and he was cuffed. They couldn't even get him into the back seat of a cop car. They tried for over 5 minutes, using every method they knew, and he was just pushing back against them. Had he have wanted to be violent, they would have all been bleeding. That doesn't even account for the spitting, biting, knees, kicks, or just quickly twisting your interfaced arm into their cuffed arms. At 68 you'd be unconscious and at their mercy before you knew where you were. It literally happens every day.
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I did watch that. While George Floyd fought to his last breath, no police officer was injured.
 
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Bodycam Captures 'Vicious' Attack On Officer

A man in handcuffs repeatedly bangs a woman officer's head on the ground in an assault which is caught on her body camera.
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There are a bunch of them where the headline talks about police brutality of a man in handcuffs, then when you read the story, you find out that the cop had to get stitches for the headbutts and treated for the bites. Etc..

The headlines always omit that part. They are only focused on the alleged brutality.
 
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