First 7mm? I would definitely just go 7mm PRC or 7mm RemMag. Easy button. Plus, I don't see this new cartridge sticking around long. It will be the 2025 6.8 Western...
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Not necessarily, it could also mean that normal brass case pressure signs don’t exist in these new cases so using flat primers and bolt lift as a way to tell max pressure doesn’t work. So the process that guys typically use to work up a load, starting low and moving up till you see pressure signs, could destroy your gun if no pressure signs are present before pressures get dangerously high.
As a result the process of developing a load is different, I’m sure we will get more info on it soon.
It's neat, I guess, but there's plenty of guys that fuck up the standard reloading process. The "follow strict lab process to reload" is gonna be interesting. And as another poster mentioned, then you are this close to a proof load, it don't take much to have a real bad day. And while the case may hold that 80k+psi, when does lug setback lug recess damage and bolt face thrust come into play? This reminds me of when the 6creed came out and guys were saying barrel life of 3k+rds, uses less powder than 243 and goes faster than 243.....we all saw how that played out. There are very few free lunches, pressure+velocity=increased wear.
Most of those guys aren't paying $3800 for a rifle. Hell, they're probably under $2k for the whole setup and the 2 boxes of ammo that will last them 10 years.
^ Bingo...
Dudes that gravitate to Ron Spomer also have to swing by the "sporting goods" counter at their local Wal-Mart to salivate at the display of Savage Axis and Mossberg Patriot rifles.
Then they go buy a tin of Crossman .177 pellets and bitch about how the price has increased $0.45 since 2018...
Chamber this in available high performance magnum cartridges, plus the standard variety short magnum/creedmoors and sell 100000% more rifles VS the 7mm brokeback
I think that's the secret. They likely have only tooled up to build a few hundred a quarter. When they don't sell they'll blame the ammo and drop it, if they do sell they'll expand the line.
If they wanted to sell rifles, at least make them marketable, chamber the rifle with something relevant to test the waters, at least give it a chance. This is destined to fail with this chambering.
A guy can build a rifle for this price with similar/same components for the same price, get whatever cartridge he wants, and have the confidence a quality smith put it together who specializes in bolt guns. Not some ar15 gun plummer from geissle. Hell they might not even do the work, could all be contract 3rd party. Looks cool tho! That manners LRH can make a fn areo solus look big pimpin'!!!
Better shooting through chemistry.
A fixed amount of work happens when a fixed mass is accelerated to a fixed velocity. On a pressure to time plot, it is the area under the curve. The shape of that curve is important.
The magic sauce is in achieving the pressure quickly, sustaining it as the bullet accelerates down the barrel, and completing the burn while the bullet is still in the barrel.
I have memory of a range on hwy 225 in Pasadena or Deer Park when I was younger. I had gone there some with my father and last time was probably 50 years ago. I would swear it was an Olin refinery/processing plant of some sort there, and the range was out front. I don't know what product they made there. But the range did have Winchester ammo.
If there is not a reliable domestic supply of innovative and appropriate propellants for shooting, anything good is only by luck.
edit: I meant to post this in the other larger thread, so, I duped it there.
A fixed amount of work happens when a fixed mass is accelerated to a fixed velocity. On a pressure to time plot, it is the area under the curve. The shape of that curve is important.
The magic sauce is in achieving the pressure quickly, sustaining it as the bullet accelerates down the barrel, and completing the burn while the bullet is still in the barrel.
I have memory of a range on hwy 225 in Pasadena or Deer Park when I was younger. I had gone there some with my father and last time was probably 50 years ago. I would swear it was an Olin refinery/processing plant of some sort there, and the range was out front. I don't know what product they made there. But the range did have Winchester ammo.
If there is not a reliable domestic supply of innovative and appropriate propellants for shooting, anything good is only by luck.
edit: I meant to post this in the other larger thread, so, I duped it there.
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Marketed properly, I think this could very well attract the urban hunter that goes west and spends a few grand on a guided hunt.
He’s got money, but he doesn’t have the kind of money that the Gunwerks groupies have.
He doesn’t even know what hand loading is, much less does he do it.
He’s an AR guy who owns Geissele products because to him they are the equivalent of a Gucci bag to girls who follow Kardashian women.
Crazy?
Marketed properly, I think this could very well attract the urban hunter that goes west and spends a few grand on a guided hunt.
He’s got money, but he doesn’t have the kind of money that the Gunwerks groupies have.
He doesn’t even know what hand loading is, much less does he do it.
He’s an AR guy who owns Geissele products because to him they are the equivalent of a Gucci bag to girls who follow Kardashian women.
Crazy?
Federal finally figures out what it takes to roll out a new cartridge successfully and they give us… this?
Was Federal already tooled up for NSGW? My tinfoil read on the whole thing was that this was really smoke and mirrors to get tooled up as a secondary or swing producer for the Common
I dont care about the rifle at all.
If Geissele sells the action for a decent price, and it takes an existing prefit… there might be potential.
If I wanted a strong start to the sales of my rifle as it entered the market...I'd pick the most popular cartridges and work my way out as sales increased...not the other way around.
They are catering to a very small niche with introducing the way that they are. Perhaps it is due to a manufacturing limitation? Perhaps Federal is pushing a lot of incentives their way?
I also think the new Seekins PH3 might have put the nail in the coffin for this one right off the bat with the value vs performance. I'm not even in the market for another hunting rifle, but I've gone back and checked it out several times on their website...
They are catering to a very small niche with introducing the way that they are. Perhaps it is due to a manufacturing limitation? Perhaps Federal is pushing a lot of incentives their way?
I also think the new Seekins PH3 might have put the nail in the coffin for this one right off the bat with the value vs performance. I'm not even in the market for another hunting rifle, but I've gone back and checked it out several times on their website...
Somehow I don’t think you are part of the demographic I described.
Question: How would you feel right now if you didn’t eat breakfast?
Just to start by saying I'm not familiar with this space at all.
Just thinking out loud.
Would Federal pay a royalty to Geissele to offer their first rifle in a new federal cartridge? Just seems like there would be financial incentive to Geissele from Federal to work with them on their first production bolt gun.
Or are they tied together in another way? Just thinking about the marketing strategy after reading @diggler1833 post about doing better going after a known market.
Just thinking out loud.
Would Federal pay a royalty to Geissele to offer their first rifle in a new federal cartridge? Just seems like there would be financial incentive to Geissele from Federal to work with them on their first production bolt gun.
Or are they tied together in another way? Just thinking about the marketing strategy after reading @diggler1833 post about doing better going after a known market.
I probably should not have quoted your post on that, but am agreeing there is potential for geissele if properly marketed. It just may not be in the package originally introduced.
You and me both.
After watching the video I immediately thought "Am I shooting NRLH factory class next year?" If I don't have a barrel ready ~November, I think the answer will be yes.
What would influence him to buy this over a Proof MTR or similar? Geissele brand recognition counts for something, but this is like saying the common bmw brand-whore is going to also buy a bmw mountain bike, just because he/she/it drives their cars.
I have been wondering about some sort of incentive. Several rifle makers have seemingly jumped on something a lot of us are scratching our heads about.
I explained that.
Question: How would you feel right now if you didn’t eat breakfast?
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For now it is to see if a person has the mental capacity to answer a simple question.
IF answered, I’d go further.
How would you feel right now if you didn’t eat breakfast?
I only eat breakfast occasionally on weekends. So I'd feel exactly like I already do.
Bingo!
This is a question that has been floating around on the Internet. There been some limited interpretations on the answers.
What we fail to realize is that people think differently and if we could come up with some questions to ask people to understand how their brain works, we could have more productive and less hostile debates with those people.
My interpretation of how this question is answered, shows me things like juxtapositional thought, sequential thinking, and also the ability to handle hypotheticals. Also does the person suffer from main character syndrome.
You would be surprised how many women that you asked this question would simply say “well I ate breakfast this morning”. The problem is that’s not the question. It’s not even close to the question. The question is not about what you did or did not do. It’s about a hypothetical.
Your answer started out that way, but you moved on to an answer to the exact question that I asked.
Yea probably a dumb move to only offer this in 7BC. Lots of would-be buyers not ready to give that cartridge a go will pass on the rifle. I like that they used a steel barrel and didn't chase shaving every last ounce.
Cool looking action though.
Cool looking action though.
Further, how does this apply to the topic at hand?
When discussing targeted demographics, some people have a difficult time taking themselves out of their own “person” and “being” that targeted demographic for a moment.
Other people are extremely gifted at this.
I would not be surprised by that. Every time I ask my wife a question I do it knowing that I'll be repeating the question again, very slowly and clearly until she realizes that whatever gibberish she responded with had nothing to do with the original question.
The female customers I deal with are mostly the same, but I have to find a nice way to repeat the question ten times until I get something resembling an answer.
Interesting topic though. There are definitely people whose inner monologue I'd pay to hear. Our latest friend Batshouse is one such individual.
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