NEW- Geissele King Hunter

[Rocketmandb]

Unpopular opinion:

Marketed properly, I think this could very well attract the urban hunter that goes west and spends a few grand on a guided hunt.

He’s got money, but he doesn’t have the kind of money that the Gunwerks groupies have.

He doesn’t even know what hand loading is, much less does he do it.

He’s an AR guy who owns Geissele products because to him they are the equivalent of a Gucci bag to girls who follow Kardashian women.

Crazy?

Not crazy at all. They want to sell an upmarket rifle, but simply putting together yet another nice-looking bolt action in a sea of nice looking bolt actions won't sell. So, get the next whiz-bang cartridge and put it into a tidy little package with said nice-looking bolt action and you've got a differentiated product that people with too much money and too little sense will be attracted to.

 

[Long Range 338]

Honestly I bet they sell a good number of rifles just based on fanboism. Look at the price of Proof, Christensen, and even the Sig Cross with a carbon fiber barrel. Geissele is in the ball park.

 

[WeR0206]

Not crazy at all. They want to sell an upmarket rifle, but simply putting together yet another nice-looking bolt action in a sea of nice looking bolt actions won't sell. So, get the next whiz-bang cartridge and put it into a tidy little package with said nice-looking bolt action and you've got a differentiated product that people with too much money and too little sense will be attracted to.

Honestly I bet they sell a good number of rifles just based on fanboism. Look at the price of Proof, Christensen, and even the Sig Cross with a carbon fiber barrel. Geissele is in the ball park.

This ^^^

There will be an initial surge of sales from all the marketing/influencer hype but the real test will be if they can sustain those sales or if they whither off once people get their hands on it, have to reload it, test out the barrel life, etc.. I'll be watching from afar to see what happens as I have no desire to get a 7mm anytime soon (I already have a 308 on order so my next barrel will likely be a 6GT or something similar my girls can learn to shoot on that uses 308 mags/bolt but won't kick as hard as the 308).

 

[diggler1833]

Not crazy at all. They want to sell an upmarket rifle, but simply putting together yet another nice-looking bolt action in a sea of nice looking bolt actions won't sell. So, get the next whiz-bang cartridge and put it into a tidy little package with said nice-looking bolt action and you've got a differentiated product that people with too much money and too little sense will be attracted to.

^ I'm going to mostly agree with this. I just watched a relatively negative "review" on YouTube (TFB???), and there were dozens of comments that put the reviewer on blast. It would seem that there is enough favorable opinions floating around already that there will be some initial interest.

We shall see soon though how many put their money where their mouth is... It is one thing to jump on a keyboard and tout the merits of something. It is something entirely different to tout it so much that you sink $4K into it...really $6 - 8K by the time you've outfitted with a comparable optic and shot 500 rounds through one.

Differentiation is a good thing, as long as it fills a niche that the customer base wants..and has the means to purchase.

 

[AleksanderSuave]

So the person inferring others suffer from main character syndrome seems to believe they are the main character?

Not that this has anything to do with the rifle.

Calling someone out for making assumptions they cant explain, and calling everyone else a low IQ idiot is "main character syndrome"...?

I think you've spent too much time on reddit.

Everyone has an opinion. Sharing it on a forum means you open yourself up to questions. If you dont want your opinion scrutinized, keep it in between the ears and dont vocalize it.

I think Geissele is smart for keeping this a limited release to a retailer (eurooptic) who deals with a customer base who skews higher in average transaction cost. If they wanted to sell it to "geissele bros" it would be promoted hard on ARFCOM, and sold somewhere like midway usa, or brownells.

But what do I know? Im not the guy who's commented on every single forum topic about this caliber, whining about it every chance I get.

Im just interested in real world reports on the new action, and ammo performance for hunting.

 

[AleksanderSuave]

Honestly I bet they sell a good number of rifles just based on fanboism. Look at the price of Proof, Christensen, and even the Sig Cross with a carbon fiber barrel. Geissele is in the ball park.

Agreed, same reason I mentioned Proof and Sig in my earlier posts, curious to see how it does against their rifles specifically.

 

[Rocketmandb]

Differentiation is a good thing, as long as it fills a niche that the customer base wants..and has the means to purchase.

I'm hoping that their quest for differentiation doesn't mean that the "new" Super 700 remains exclusive to their rifles. My 300 PRC has been begging me for a new trigger for a while now. I kind of want to put a Bix Competition on it, but not sure I want to drop the $500 to do so. The one Super 700 I've got is a pretty good second to my Bix Comp - if and when they come back into the picture, it would be a good one to try.

 

[FuhQ]

^ I'm going to mostly agree with this. I just watched a relatively negative "review" on YouTube (TFB???), and there were dozens of comments that put the reviewer on blast. It would seem that there is enough favorable opinions floating around already that there will be some initial interest.

We shall see soon though how many put their money where their mouth is... It is one thing to jump on a keyboard and tout the merits of something. It is something entirely different to tout it so much that you sink $4K into it...really $6 - 8K by the time you've outfitted with a comparable optic and shot 500 rounds through one.

Differentiation is a good thing, as long as it fills a niche that the customer base wants..and has the means to purchase.

No, there's just enough hypnotized morons who have been "trained/groomed" over their lifetimes to always want what's new because it "must be better". And are begging to be separated from their money, in order to have what they perceive to be the "new hotness"...

This mentality can be applied to just about anything, not just the 7mm Brokeback. It's like those people who have to always have the brand new phone that just dropped, even though their old phone was only a year old, and has nothing wrong with it. Or those who will always buy a brand new MacBook every year at $3,500+ and take a huge ass loss when they trade their old one back in. Or those folks who lease a new $150K Benz every single year, then trade it back in for the new model. They're just pissing money away to say, "Hey look what I've got...Aren't I so cool and trendy and important?"

 

[diggler1833]

No, there's just enough hypnotized morons who have been "trained/groomed" over their lifetimes to always want what's new because it "must be better". And are begging to be separated from their money, in order to have what they perceive to be the "new hotness"...

This mentality can be applied to just about anything, not just the 7mm Brokeback. It's like those people who have to always have the brand new phone that just dropped, even though their old phone was only a year old, and has nothing wrong with it. Or those who will always buy a brand new MacBook every year at $3,500+ and take a huge ass loss when they trade their old one back in. Or those folks who lease a new $150K Benz every single year, then trade it back in for the new model. They're just pissing money away to say, "Hey look what I've got...Aren't I so cool and trendy and important?"

See...very next sentence after the one you bonded and underlined Sir. Actually the next three.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just stating that your omission takes my quoted sentence out of context.

 

[db2000]

I’ve actually already bought them all. They should be up on my website soon. $8999. No deals.

 

[jbuck88]

Going to flip them? Lmfao

 

[FuhQ]

I’ve actually already bought them all. They should be up on my website soon. $8999. No deals.

How many Flips is that?

 

[6brshooter]

I'm hoping that their quest for differentiation doesn't mean that the "new" Super 700 remains exclusive to their rifles. My 300 PRC has been begging me for a new trigger for a while now. I kind of want to put a Bix Competition on it, but not sure I want to drop the $500 to do so. The one Super 700 I've got is a pretty good second to my Bix Comp - if and when they come back into the picture, it would be a good one to try.

Yeah, I'm afraid the super 700 will be priced like their mounts and handguards. I expect to see a 400+ price tag on the super 700, it was 275-300. At that price I think it's good, I have 2 still. At 350+, it's outclassed by a bix tacsport pro x in top sear height options, trigger shoe options, 2nd stage break weight, and actual break feel.

 

[diggler1833]

Well, the video was up yesterday from Geissele.

I could tell Matt was sitting there thinking "Is this guy ever going to shut the F up"?

*****

I think that the asking price is ballpark comparable to a guy outfitting a custom hunting rifle with an Impact NBK, cut rifled barrel of choice, trigger, and Manners stock.

 

[FuhQ]

Well, the video was up yesterday from Geissele.

I could tell Matt was sitting there thinking "Is this guy ever going to shut the F up"?

*****

I think that the asking price is ballpark comparable to a guy outfitting a custom hunting rifle with an Impact NBK, cut rifled barrel of choice, trigger, and Manners stock.

Remember, Bill is the same narcissistic homo who called his own trigger the same thing your wife calls that thing she hides in the top drawer of her bedside table... "the smile maker"...

 

[hlee]

A narcissistic homo? In the gun industry?

 

[diggler1833]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Bill isn't targeting die hard bolt gun guys with this. At least 27 minutes of this video was him explaining the basics of the components of a rifle.

He may be onto something, it's not like his company is failing in the MSR world.

He's also the only guy I've heard of who bought a 5 MOA, $3k + rifle and didn't get it made right.

 

[DairyDictator]

Yeah I'm calling BS that his guy hasn't seen an action he didn't have to rework. Calm the fuck down, machining hasn't changed THAT much over the last 50 years and plenty of people got damn good at it. Geissele is the new kid on the block as far as actions are concerned so I'm not particularly interested in having smoke blown up my ass about all the magical unicorn farts it takes to make an action right and a two stage trigger.

 

[Pat McGroin]

 

[diggler1833]

I think my favorite part was his detailing how his blast shield worked on the bolt lugs. He then compared it to a Carcano... Duuuuuuuuude.
*yeah, I had the video going in the background as I surfed sites looking for other parts*

I think Matt legitimately said one sentence in the first 20 minutes. You can talk yourself out of a sale too you know...

 

[Long Range 338]

Savage style bolt with 90* bolt throw? Hard pass…