Sniping In The Ukraine
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I’ve specifically been tracking the ongoings in Eastern Europe and Ukraine with ground truth since the 2000s as a template for what might potentially happen to Finland. Putin’s internal policy that he communicated to his older Soviet-era Foreign Ministry picks from the trusted intelligentsia was that Russia was going to expand again into the Eastern European and former Soviet states, that were also Tsarist States in centuries-past. This is all well before 2008 even. I initially considered the possibility that the Foreign Ministry source was just an old Soviet blow-hard (also true), but took him more seriously after the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008.
While the US and its myopic State Dept and DoD were wasting our efforts in the Middle East with nothing to show for it, and all the attention as there, critical moves were being made by Putin and Xi in their respective back yards.
Guys with zero awareness or regional orientation in this space coming in after the fact with retard feeds from kids on social media are to be ridiculed and rejected as a general rule.
This is one of those utterly false statements that keeps getting repeated and should cease really. It shows a fundamental lack of basic knowledge of the history of the last 30 years. Why do you keep posting it?
Short story, Ukrainians voted with an overwhelming 79% majority to trade with the EU in 2013, Putin’s puppet in Kiev did the opposite and signed onto the Russia-Eurasia Economic Pact, which kicked-ff Euromaiden protests for 4 months until Yanukovych fled. Obama’s CIA was working to help Putin here, not against him.
Longer story:
Ukraine and Moscow have been at a tug-o-war for centuries, and this really reignited once Putin got into office. There has been a constant struggle between the majority Ukrainian population and Moscow for control over Kiev that is organic to the region, not some scheme from the Russian puppets and moles within the CIA. Russians seeded the CIA before it existed with tons of doubles already in the OSS, many who claimed to come from Belorussia (White Russia), and many who were Nazis that fake-defected.
Putin sees himself as more of a Tsar, who under the Russian history and tradition must smash someone to remain powerful. This is how Putin rose to the top from the 3 Deputy Prime Ministers under Yeltsin with his scorched earth on Grozny and Chechnya. That’s why Yeltsin literally handed the throne over to him and announced it on Dec 31, 1999 on Russian state TV.
Since Russia was in such a poor state economically and in near free-fall in the 1990s, Putin had to first work on building the economy somehow. He removed the senior former KGB-gone-oligarchs who put him in power, and replaced them with 100% loyal new oligarchs who owe everything to him. They would focus on gaining more revenue though oil/NG sales and other raw materials, since Russia is not a value-added economy, in order to build up the military again.
That’s where the Ratnik modernization program came from, Sukhoi Flanker modernization, PAK-FA/Su-57, Uranium One nuke deal with Obama/Biden/Hillary, and allowing foreign oil/NG explorers to come in and help Russia get its permafrost drilling rigs set up (Russian petroleum engineers are not able to do it, only US and Canada have the tech and know-how).
When making deals with the West to bring in people who have the capabilities that Russia does not, Putin could not advertise his true intentions, and was playing Mr. nice guy, even asking about Russia joining NATO.
But control of Ukraine was imperative, using a puppet presidency in Kiev. He failed at first with Yanukovych in 2004, which triggered the Orange Revolution and election of Viktor Yuschenko instead.
In 2009, Yanukovych ran for the Presidency again and had his followers fill in Kiev’s Independence Square to intimidate anyone challenging the election results. He was doing Putin’s bidding the whole time, as he was for the pro-Russian Party of Regions, not the majority of Ukrainians.
When Yanukovych signed onto Putin’s Russia-Eurasia pact in late 2013, that triggered Euromaiden.
For the low-information types who rely on Twitter for your information...
If you’re pro-Putin, then you love Obama, Biden, Hillary, and John Kerry, who all were/are on Putin’s payroll for decades.
The money trails are all there in the open to see, while whistle-blowers were punished, threatened, and sidelined.
If you’re pro-Putin, then you love Obama, Biden, Hillary, and John Kerry, who all were/are on Putin’s payroll for decades.
The money trails are all there in the open to see, while whistle-blowers were punished, threatened, and sidelined.
yeah, and 81 million americans voted for xiden the pedo. nope.
again, this is all about who profits from the exploitation of ukrainian natural resources.
the cia overthrew the russia friendly regime so they could take control of the oil and gas to undercut the russian energy business with europe.
russia is trying to protect their economy and stop the slaughter of ethnic russians. they have no delusions of a return to the soviet era.
your denial of the cia's role is laughable. you are either woefully ignorant, or you're a shill.
you do know the cia literally armed and trained islamic terrorists to overthrow syria, right?
i doubt anyone here is "pro putin", but i suppose it is possible.
we just know that every cent used to pay for this proxy annihilation of white christians in ukraine is more debt for americans.
Putin does seem to actually support Russia more than Biden or Trudeau support their own countries.
Looks staged but this and their war crime videos is not where they should be.
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Not many people want to get McCained.
Probably a big US procurment company paid by a foundation (Clinton, Biden, Obama you name it) to export to a shell company located in a none sanctioned country in eastern Europe or central Asia.
Well, it's not totally true. Ukraine had been armed and trained by NATO for around 10years now. They have NATO advisers and satellites working for them and the most complex US and French systems given to them are probably operated by some NATO guys too. We can't relabel everything for them to understand and train them on those systems fast enough. Without NATO's involvment Ukraine would have been gone 2 years ago.
Plus you can't compare the Russian invasion of Ukraine with say the coalition invasion of Iraq. We didn't care much for Iraqi infrastructure and industrial complex. It's pretty much the opposite for the russians. They are taking over factories and are using them to rebuild "novorussia". They are here to stay.
Looks crude but given 14.5x114 case volume , this rather thick walled polymer case 'necked down' to 12.7mm might just work well enough in the huge field artillery type sniper rifle , reportedly cases perform well according to Ukrainian developer of the 12.7x114HL
Below just for comparison 50BMG and x114 case
Below just for comparison 50BMG and x114 case
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No i do not have one.
Its one of Ukrainan single shot tubeguns
sites.google.com
Its one of Ukrainan single shot tubeguns
Horizon's Lord
The «Horizon’s Lord» rifle is designed for sabotage and counter-sabotage activities, including in deserts and mountain areas; to destroy enemy snipers, large-caliber machine guns, anti-tank missile systems (ATGM), as well as to combat lightly armored vehicles
sites.google.com
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I don't see a thumb rest so I'm not sure that would be very accurate.No , Its one of Ukrainan single shot tubeguns
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Horizon's Lord
The «Horizon’s Lord» rifle is designed for sabotage and counter-sabotage activities, including in deserts and mountain areas; to destroy enemy snipers, large-caliber machine guns, anti-tank missile systems (ATGM), as well as to combat lightly armored vehicles
Those are all brass cases ....not the 1/2 polymer thick neck plastic as above.No i do not have one.
Its one of Ukrainan single shot tubeguns
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Horizon's Lord
The «Horizon’s Lord» rifle is designed for sabotage and counter-sabotage activities, including in deserts and mountain areas; to destroy enemy snipers, large-caliber machine guns, anti-tank missile systems (ATGM), as well as to combat lightly armored vehicles
So how does a thick plastic neck and thin brass neck cartridge chamber be the same...they are not.
It would require a different chamber to shoot the half plastic cased ammo.
First observation, ...where is the bolt? How does it load? Hopefully not the pipe cap method.
You don't know what you're talking about. Obviously you don't understand the concept of speed holes.
Yes brass ,but its same company that makes them and same rifle that fires them.
From what i understand the poly cases were developed due to the difficulty of sourcing brass cases for 14.5x114 in match quality, probably funded by USAID grants anyways , Bartlein made the barrels
Yes chamber is definitely different. to work with those
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Kinda looks like they started of with WW2 PTRD-41 concept evolved for scoped use
First ones looked SERBU rough , wait till Serbu sees you can attach the bipod directly to the barrel
I just hope Serbu bought the rights for this one ,
First ones looked SERBU rough , wait till Serbu sees you can attach the bipod directly to the barrel
I just hope Serbu bought the rights for this one ,
Check out the poly cases the 3rd one on from the left is cracked where it meets the metal, the 750 Atips some are crooked, the rest are scared from "seating?" Or are they pulled factory 2nds...Something seems bogus, for match rounds.
I'll take the all brass case.
If cases were available one could chamber for this caliber...
It would be easier to make a 50BMG improved and a 48" barrel...but still be several hundred feet per second behind, but ya might have more accuracy and consistency, a 50BMG can be pretty accurate.
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