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Hot Take; Putin needs to just level Ukraine to save us from ourselves
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russia has been our enemy or at least hostile for a couple of centuries. say,since the sea otter deal in the 18th/19th cent. they had a chance to get into a hot war wiith us in '62,maybe in '60 and thought about it in the mid 80s. they passed on all of them. they have tried and succeded to undermine us here with a lot of success. we need to keep cool and not jerk around in europe. we have this hemisphere to deal with. probably gonna need some ongoing involvement in the mid east. asia is going to split between india and china,i think. africa? who knows? the current shit with russia is not being run for love america,patriotic reasons. it's a profit center for the nwo,mic and our pols. and,we COULD try and fix shit here.
I mean if we are digging up history, might as well mention that the Mongols conquered and ruled Russia for a pretty long while.
not right or wrong, just an interesting different perspective:
Love and hate: History of Russia-U.S. relations that you never heard of
Most Russians today consider America their main enemy, and many Americans look suspiciously on Russia's political leadership. The Arzamas...
What role did Russia play in the U.S. Civil War?
Russian-American relations were not always so bitter and tense as now. During the American Civil War, Russia supported the Union primarily because...
the current russian government says that they backed the wrong side in our civil war.
Genghis Khan was just doing his part to reduce the carbon footprint.
Russia could have been our bestest friend not long ago and our best ally.
But the NWO and Global Elites couldn't have that, so instead they had the Clintons and a bunch of other fuckers do their best to destroy the new Russia and ensure the people that survived the really bad times knew never to trust the west. It was the actions of the Clintons and the USA stooges of the Global Elites that pretty much forced the rise of Putin.
But the NWO and Global Elites couldn't have that, so instead they had the Clintons and a bunch of other fuckers do their best to destroy the new Russia and ensure the people that survived the really bad times knew never to trust the west. It was the actions of the Clintons and the USA stooges of the Global Elites that pretty much forced the rise of Putin.
Technically there bases right up their asses. Nukes I can not say for sure. Russia waited too long to get aggressive about Nato. Hell they even, as I have stated many times before in these UA/RU threads, that they helped push more fuckers to join Nato. A little too late to argue about boarders and Nato on boarders for RU side. All there is left is UA. UA as a majority had RU to the core. Lets say they manage to have taken over UA. The amount of guerilla warfare would be nuts. Hell we see it happening on actual RU lands. Guerilla tactics that is.
Ukraine is a buffer, but your historical examples were all wrong, making you look stupid.
Just say that Russia needs Ukraine as a buffer against NATO expansion and I'll agree with you.
Technically the fuckin Austrian Corporal could have done RU in big time. What some here seem to forget is that there was a war on multiple fronts still. And the American War machine spewing armament out like a Yellowstone geyser. Unless you're one the side that the US did nothing for RU in WWII.
This has to be the most uneducated and unaware thing I have read in a month or more. Even the warmongers haven’t been talking about statehood for Russia. Might as well make Israel 52, China 53 and the entire UAE 54.
This has to be satire.
Russian still owns land signed to them in China's time of duress. Remember during the Jap invasion? That is crazy some say China is still salty over that part of history. It would have been one thing to have bought the lands there as RU sold Alaska.
WARS HAVE always been about this bruv. Basic history that can be researched in these modern times with our finger tips.
Had the Soviets not invaded Manchuria, the war in Japan would have ground on. It would have completely changed the post war dynamic between the US and Japan. And likely cost countless souls.
This is a commonly over looked fact while the Nukes were a big part, everyone talks about the nukes nobody talks about the million man army that Russia pushed into Manchuria . The Japs getting their asses handed to them in China by Russia was a big part too.
Yalta Conference - Wikipedia
Potsdam Conference - Wikipedia
Yes wikipedia. But gets it pretty right.
not right or wrong, just an interesting different perspective:
Love and hate: History of Russia-U.S. relations that you never heard of
Most Russians today consider America their main enemy, and many Americans look suspiciously on Russia's political leadership. The Arzamas...www.rbth.com
What role did Russia play in the U.S. Civil War?
Russian-American relations were not always so bitter and tense as now. During the American Civil War, Russia supported the Union primarily because...
the current russian government says that they backed the wrong side in our civ
That would make sense if you believe that the parties changed like the dems love to make statements about in media.not right or wrong, just an interesting different perspective:
Love and hate: History of Russia-U.S. relations that you never heard of
Most Russians today consider America their main enemy, and many Americans look suspiciously on Russia's political leadership. The Arzamas...What role did Russia play in the U.S. Civil War?
Russian-American relations were not always so bitter and tense as now. During the American Civil War, Russia supported the Union primarily because...
the current russian government says that they backed the wrong side in our civil war.
That's what Napoleon thought too.
The Russians can trade land for time for a LONG time before running into problems. That's why they moved most of their industrial production east of the Urals when the Germans invaded
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Thank bitch ass Bush II along side Clinton yes, for the shit show we see today somewhat.
this is no different.
western oil companies want to exploit and profit from the gas and oil in eastern ukraine while the policy makers also want to use this to collapse the russian energy business (and perhaps russia's entire economy).
those same people destroyed syria for similar reasons.
Though subject with the a-bomb being around by the end of the war. Japan would have possibly made US drop a couple more before giving up.
Except - BRICS with 40% of the worlds oil production, a material amount of oil demand and the desire to trade in local currency has entered the chat…
France v Russia at that time had a single front. Sorry just two different types of war. Also no bombers or dive bombers, or artillary that cant strike deep into enemy lands like they did in WWII. The older folk I know that are from RU have in a majority recognized that without the help of the US, RU would be speaking Sauerkraut. The Afrika front fucked Germany in two. Dealing with desert bullshit in the south and millions of unarmed RU soldiers willing to run at German lines with potatoes in their hands after a few drinks. That kind of determination is no joke when you're dealing with mutlitple fronts. And arms pouring in to enemy hands from their allies.
Did not post that to argue about who is doing what. Just to point out that since the inception of humans walkin this earth War has always been about resources. Just a fact of life thats all. Who tells you other wise sure has hell does not know when the US was founded as a nation, or read a book hahaha!
resources? what else should interstate wars be fought for? bringing democray to afganistan? protecting the iraqi people from saddam? liberating the french from the germans? helping preserve the british empire? saving the dominoes in SE asia? yes,there are many historical areas where that might not apply: the north korean invasion of the south,barbary pirates,war of 1812,our revolution,battle of tours,falklands,russo/german war. just needs to be much very careful thought in entering a war not meant to preserve or protect your own resources. yea,wars of conquest do fail the ethical test.
A small recon motorcycle force getting ambushed on the outskirts of Moscow is not a mechanized division….tiger tanks didn’t see the kremlin on the horizon.
I’d re read you history.
How about stop trying to be right and have a macro conversation from a Birds Eye view while leaving insults out of it.
Everyone to busy to step on every crack and showing how smart they are, rather than trying to communicate.
these are good points. The multifront war prevented Germany from focusing it's full attention on the USSR, even though the majority of German units were tied up in the East. Without that diversion of forces, other outcomes might have opened up for the Germans. For example, if the units sent to North Africa in '42 were sent East instead, maybe Stalingrad never happens. If all the JG squadrons were available in Russia, rather than defending against Allied bomber attacks, maybe the Red airforce never gains the edge. And when the repercussions of that multifront war is combined with the reality of the massive amount of material that we sent to the soviets, no honest person can say that the war would have turned out the same if it was only Nazi vs Soviet 1 on 1. We motorized them. People don't understand how critically important just that one aspect is. Soviet Deep Battle doctrine would have been impossible without American motor transport. The rapid concentration of overwhelming forces at a single point in the line and speed to exploit a breakthrough were the ultimate Soviet trump cards in the wide expanses in the East.
again, you look stupid because you are trying to look smart, but your facts are always wrong.
Tiger tanks were not used until late 1942. The Threat to Moscow was in 1941. Stop going Belushi on us with your comments. Just quit while you are ahead.
It would have taken one hell of a effort to get them out of China and Korea. Nukes wouldn’t solve that problem, 1,000,000 Ru soldiers did. Blowing up cities and killing civilians and manufacturing nukes did well, Killing troops spread and dug in across a country side no.
It would have dragged on.
Russia was in no position to argue up until the Bush/neocon war in Ossetia. There again, we were doing what we do best and trying to shove our will down Russia's throat and make them buckle. We have a pathological need to do it, for some reason.
Russia is in a position where they have to react, if they want to survive. And we keep forcing them to react. And we know that every Russian reaction makes all our little yappy client states bark louder at Russia. For the neocons it's win/win. For Russia it's a no win situation.
As far as Ukraine, if we never got involved, it never would have come to this. Aside from Lvov and Galicia, most of Ukraine would have continued doing nothing for as long as they were left to their own devices. And that part should just go back to Poland and become their problem again.
if you can't take the time to develop your thoughts and type them out in a factual and coherent manner, why bother. Most of your comments are neocon trolling, and nobody needs that bullshit. We could just turn on 60 minutes if we wanted that. The rest of your comments are full of factoids that you try to use to look like an authority on this subject, but everything is wrong, wrong, and even more wrong.
if you stop trolling and factoid dropping, maybe you'd learn something
Some people in this thread are far more intelligent and educated on this topic than you realize.
That’s why it’s a conversation.
If people take 30 word replies on the hide typed while taking a shit with the same authority as a college paper l..they need to get out of the basement more.
If everyone knew everything there wouldn’t be a need to discuss.
But you right again..keep going
it's going to get so ugly.
but remember, these aren't just events which are "happening" while our so-called leaders react to them. We were told that very soon we will own nothing and like it. This whole economic disaster is contrived to produce the outcome they desire.
Almost like a Joseph's Famine analogy. If you don't sell yourself into slavery, you'll starve to death on the street.
if my memory of what i have read about discussion between japanese leadership and the emperor is valid,the russian entry against japan had nothing to do with their surrender. it was just a successful stalin land grab. i don't believe there is any documentation of that ever being discussed with the emperor. we had no reason to try to get them out of china or korea. we prob would have foolishly tried anyway if the russian didn't intervene,but why?
dropping the bomb was the right thing to do. in truth it did save lives. but,it was really unnecessary for strategic military reasons. we were on the point of starving them out with subs and air. japan has no natural rescources to continue with. it would have been like seige of leningrad write large. the american people were tired of the whole thing and truman and marshall knew it. the kamikazi attacks freaked all americans out as they should have. an invasion would have been the million casualty thing but the "people" wouldn't have tolerated another,even low casualty year longer war. elections happen and are always a consideration.
dropping the bomb was the right thing to do. in truth it did save lives. but,it was really unnecessary for strategic military reasons. we were on the point of starving them out with subs and air. japan has no natural rescources to continue with. it would have been like seige of leningrad write large. the american people were tired of the whole thing and truman and marshall knew it. the kamikazi attacks freaked all americans out as they should have. an invasion would have been the million casualty thing but the "people" wouldn't have tolerated another,even low casualty year longer war. elections happen and are always a consideration.
What is the same was done to the leader in the US? What would Biden do after that happened?
NWO baby! Here we come!
I will never forget the day I saw bush brining up NWO as if it were a good thing. And all the dumb fucks clapping at the statement! That is the direction we are headed. A strong America is getting in the way for the fuckers that run shit! Damn this shit gets me going haha!Why bother typing thoughts for idiots like “we should take it and own it” ?
Come go take it if you can, get off your typing ass and join mercs in Ukropland and do as you say. If not go fuck off hypocrite pussy - you cant take shit properly let alone anything from Russia.
Worst kind of midget - mental one. Dreaming of greatness where “he will take it” - probably lolipop from the retarded kid down the street.
Come go take it if you can, get off your typing ass and join mercs in Ukropland and do as you say. If not go fuck off hypocrite pussy - you cant take shit properly let alone anything from Russia.
Worst kind of midget - mental one. Dreaming of greatness where “he will take it” - probably lolipop from the retarded kid down the street.
We’d have to go blow up some pipelines or start a war in an area a lot of European energy flows through to prop up the price?
Maybe get two or 3 Arab countries to start dooking it out?
Bomb and destroy Africa’s largest producer
Destroy Russia.
Do one or all of those things to disrupt the global supply then we could produce more in the US.
But that kinda negativity effects the whole idea of peaceful means.
Do I get some sort of referral bonus or something for all of the accounts that have gotten banned in this thread?
...and Napoleon's army lost. The Russian necessity of giving ground for time has paid off more than once.
A willingness to accept horrible casualty counts does too. With the poor command and control the Russians had, it doesn't surprise me. ...till they got the crap together after the initial German successes.
This is dredging up several years of college courses taken many years ago, so there may be inaccuracies in my memory. Most of my profs were military historians. I hope they forgive me
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