Plane crash At Reagan National

Especially in that confined area space, when you have a hard deck of 200’ and you almost double that, and you’re allegedly 1/8 of a mile off your traffic route, especially considering the route shows your supposed to be flying the edge of the river, that’s a lot of misses. But then again, depending on your familiarization of the route, complacency could also be a huge factor…. Your do the same thing over and over again and it’s just the same old same old…. Until it’s not, complacency kills, sad thing is, there’s no rest stops or aprons you just pull off to when you’re flying in the air, you may not always be able to go up, but you will ALWAYS come back down.
For context... "pass behind" means flying the aircraft (laterally speaking) vice flying the published route.

NVG flight is a different beast... taking visual sep responsibility likely entailed the helo crew padlocking (don't take your eyes off... things have an amazing way of 'disappearing' when you do) said traffic... and the increased scan difficulty when looking through tubes, all leads to a broken scan (namely of instruments, including the altimeter). Avoiding their interval was likely their sole focus...other than when they're talking on the radio. Of note, the male voice is doing the talking, meaning he was likely covering comm to allow the 'check pilot' to focus on flying the aircraft behind their interval. This back and forth ("are you SURE you see the CJ?") comm would've been another task that detracts from other things... and the scan is the first thing to suffer. ATC has to be directive when they see an issue, regardless of WHO is technically responsible.

Human (pilot and/or ATC) error will obviously never go away, so identifying that as 'the cause' is mm-deep thinking and partially ignores a major reality of mishaps. (not directed at you, this is a default 'finding' of investigations.) The more pragmatic approach is to determine how procedures should change in order to minimize those errors. Visual Separation (ATC passes ALL responsibility for collision avoidance to 1 of the aircraft) in a busy area (aircraft, cars, buildings), AT NIGHT, when the 2 aircraft in question aren't even communicating directly, is retarded.

The only things to lose by letting ATC continue providing aircraft separation, is the work-load of the controller (easily addressed), and the expedience of the helo flight's progress...being the smaller and more maneuverable, it would inevitably be told to spin, hold, deviate, etc.). ATC can be quick to pass responsibility, particularly if they're overwhelmed... but that doesn't address why the squadron would make the decision to accept that risk by making this "normal" procedure. I propose it became their culture based on the 'needs' (desires) of their cargo.
 
But....sadly...we know at least 40% of our population is just as retarded. No concept of what SKILLED means. Same people could drive a Formula 1 or IMSA / LeMans Prototype because it has a brake and accelerator pedal, steering wheel and 4 wheel/tire combos.

Frankly I was somewhat annoyed by Trump going on and on this week about "brilliant" and the "best and brightest" because you know what? That doesn't matter! What matters is aptitude; some people just have given skill sets that make them completely superior for one job over another. Although a 100 IQ is preferably in most circumstances; I would think with ATC you need someone with quick reflexes, good articulation, and multitasking skills.
Communities, states, and countries excel and harmony prevails when individuals are able match God -given skills, training and work ethic(= "meritocracy").

Meanwhile, that stewardess understood her assignment in preventing that critter from accessing the cockpit or potty where an otherwise manly man might have freaked out, and doing so without popping any buttons or busting zippers. Worthy of a bonus there.
 
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don't know why...it just fuels the conspiracy theory crowd :p

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You don’t know why the family wouldn’t want their daughter identified when Trump said that the cause of the crash was DEI policy ie if it was a female pilot it was her fault. You are confused about that? Yet another example of Trump disrespecting a military family. Fucking bodies are still warm in the 40 degree water and he seems to have all the answers to what happened.
 
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don't know why...it just fuels the conspiracy theory crowd :p

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You don’t know why the family wouldn’t want their daughter identified when Trump said that the cause of the crash was DEI policy ie if it was a female pilot it was her fault. You are confused about that? Yet another example of Trump disrespecting a military family. Fucking bodies are still warm in the 40 degree water and he seems to have all the answers to what happened.
I don't really have an opinion either way and would also wait to the investigation is complete.

However, one point needs to be considered. Maybe Trump knows something that most others don't.

Being the POTUS and CIC, the Army probably gave him everything they knew about the female pilot. And it might not have been good. It does seem suspicious that her social media accounts would be deleted before her name was released.

If she was someone suffering from gender dysphoria or an LGTBQXYZ freak, then maybe the family would want that covered up by deleting her social media accounts.

Like I said, I don't have an opinion either way. So she could have not been negligent at all and the root cause of the accident doesn't rest on her shoulders.

On the other hand, the way I've seen women, minorities and the LGBTQXYZ freaks pampered with every break that a white male would never get in the military, I will keep my mind open to the possibility that she might have had a screw loose and the chain of command ignored it.
 
I’m still finding it very interesting how many people with low post numbers who have been members for > 4 years there are on The Pit nowadays. Where were they hiding the last 4-8 years. Why now? And most seem to be anti-Trump. Very strange indeed. Not this thread, but many threads in The Pit. Call me a cynic, paranoid, what have you but….
 
Just curious…

Female crew member was a “White House Social Aide….”


Escorted Ralph Lauren to get his Medal of Freedom….

Did this make her among the most qualified -60 pilots around? Do all highly-qualified chopper pilots serve as arm candy for White House VIP socialite guests?

What takes priority? Being a “social aide?” Or being a tier-one pilot? Or do you go be a social aide for a few months… then go back to being helo pilot? And just pick those skills off right where you left them?

No answers here… just questions. Maybe lots of pilots are moonlighting as White House escorts…

So nothing to see here if that’s the case…

Sirhr
 
I’m still finding it very interesting how many people with low post numbers who have been members for > 4 years there are on The Pit nowadays. Where were they hiding the last 4-8 years. Why now? And most seem to be anti-Trump. Very strange indeed. Not this thread, but many threads in The Pit. Call me a cynic, paranoid, what have you but….

Because they are glow something something commie something…

Sirhr
 
The only things to lose by letting ATC continue providing aircraft separation, is the work-load of the controller (easily addressed), and the expedience of the helo flight's progress...being the smaller and more maneuverable, it would inevitably be told to spin, hold, deviate, etc.). ATC can be quick to pass responsibility, particularly if they're overwhelmed... but that doesn't address why the squadron would make the decision to accept that risk by making this "normal" procedure. I propose it became their culture based on the 'needs' (desires) of their cargo.
Because they do this everyday all day. 77k helo ops in the past few years. It’s no stranger.

“The workload of the controller is the only thing to lose which is easily addressed”?? By not approving visual separation Class B separation comes into play along with wake turb if it applies. We run Class B ops all the time with VFRs (whether it be military, FBI, DEA, Border, etc.) they do not want to be moved off station or off route every 3-4miles in trail of airliners blasting in.. they wouldn’t be able to get anything done. We call the traffic, they request visual, we say visual separation approved. “Quickly pass responsibility, particularly if they’re overwhelmed” ?? LOL!!

We can all sit here and Monday quarter back this thing from the cheap seats.. but the fact of the matter is 67 souls lost their life and the NTSB will come out with their preliminary sayings in 30 days or so.
 
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Whilst she may have been the most bad ass of badasses; becasue we have DEI/quota systems, etc, nobody now knows who (male, female, white, black, argyle) who is the real deal and who is not. I saw this 30 years ago with a guy I worked with who was deaf. He got raises before anybody else on the team and was the least competent of them all - even with the lack of communication issue and what you learn from overhearing taken account. I know two of us did a lot of fixing of his stuff and never got raises. Hence, why quotas and DEi (as it’s now known) Is wrong. It’s wrong for the person who has merit and it wrong to deceive the DEI recipient on their skill level.

The same program 30 years ago hired another person who was handicapped…collective groan by the group. So everybody thought…another dumb ass coming in, and he was quite literally a bad ass at his job. So he suffered the consequence of the quota…with pre-assumed capability which was not right of us; but the normal skepticism. So again, DEI/Quota hurt a qualified person because he was qualified based on MERIT.
 
You don’t know why the family wouldn’t want their daughter identified when Trump said that the cause of the crash was DEI policy ie if it was a female pilot it was her fault. You are confused about that? Yet another example of Trump disrespecting a military family. Fucking bodies are still warm in the 40 degree water and he seems to have all the answers to what happened.

You are a fucking RETARD...

He was referring to the FAA and ATC... NOT the Army recruiting female pilots...

P.S. This chick came up through ROTC and then flight school to attain the rank of Captain... She most likely was in ROTC during Obama and then was active duty during Trump's first term. "DEI" as we know it today, didnt really become a "thing" until the last 3-4 years.

Again, you are fucking retarded. Go suck some dick somewhere else you fucking smooth brain mouth breather.
 
P.S. This chick came up through ROTC and then flight school to attain the rank of Captain... She most likely was in ROTC during Obama and then was active duty during Trump's first term. "DEI" as we know it today, didnt really become a "thing" until the last 3-4 years.
Um yeah, Bullshit.

Are you old enough to remember this.


The first F-14 Female Combat pilot killed (during day VFR ops).
Lots of history pushing this one though the training pipeline.
 
Just curious…

Female crew member was a “White House Social Aide….”


Escorted Ralph Lauren to get his Medal of Freedom….

Did this make her among the most qualified -60 pilots around? Do all highly-qualified chopper pilots serve as arm candy for White House VIP socialite guests?

What takes priority? Being a “social aide?” Or being a tier-one pilot? Or do you go be a social aide for a few months… then go back to being helo pilot? And just pick those skills off right where you left them?

No answers here… just questions. Maybe lots of pilots are moonlighting as White House escorts…

So nothing to see here if that’s the case…

Sirhr
Being a protocol officer (or social aide escort) is a common shitty little job (SLJ) you get stuck with. Mostly junior officers and while she was a captain, with 5 years in she’s still a very junior Capt.

Personnaly I wouldn’t make too much of it. Prob her major recommendation for this SLJ was she was in DC and close by.

She’s dead. May she rest in peace.
 
You are a fucking RETARD...

He was referring to the FAA and ATC... NOT the Army recruiting female pilots...

P.S. This chick came up through ROTC and then flight school to attain the rank of Captain... She most likely was in ROTC during Obama and then was active duty during Trump's first term. "DEI" as we know it today, didnt really become a "thing" until the last 3-4 years.

Again, you are fucking retarded. Go suck some dick somewhere else you fucking smooth brain mouth breather.
DEI was started in 1960 you fucking faggot. That’s all you do is think about cock.
 
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Seems there are quite a few experienced posters in this thread. All of the added context from their experience is very interesting and appreciated.

Perhaps an oversimplification, but it seems like the cause has already been identified.

The heli was over the 200ft limit, as I understand it. It simply should not have been there.

It helps to know why this might have happened, as that data is useful in future mitigation, NVG, ATC, etc ,ect. People smarter than me can use this data to modify/enhance processes, procedures, training and all the like.

Is it helpful to know if DEI played any role in this? I suppose for the "told you so" aspects. Because it is actually common sense (even mathematically speaking) that DEI is going to lower overall performance, simply because you are adding "weight" to variables that counter the functions' desired output behavior. Maths just be like they do. Part of the issue is that there are a very small percentage that want this to be tied to a DEI issue which, well...whatever I suppose.

Godspeed to all those lost.
 
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Seems there are quite a few experienced posters in this thread. All of the added context from their experience is very interesting and appreciated.

Perhaps an oversimplification, but it seems like the cause has already been identified.

The heli was over the 200ft limit, as I understand it. It simply should not have been there.

It helps to know why this might have happened, as that data is useful in future mitigation, NVG, ATC, etc ,ect. People smarter than me can use this data to modify/enhance processes, procedures, training and all the like.

Is it helpful to know if DEI played any role in this? I suppose for the "told you so" aspects. Because it is actually common sense (even mathematically speaking) that DEI is going to lower overall performance, simply because you are adding "weight" to variables that counter the functions' desired output behavior. Maths just be like they do. Part of the issue is that there are a very small percentage that want this to be tied to a DEI issue which, well...whatever I suppose.

Godspeed to all those lost.
Yeah
 
Um yeah, Bullshit.

Are you old enough to remember this.


The first F-14 Female Combat pilot killed (during day VFR ops).
Lots of history pushing this one though the training pipeline.

We had a female pilot at my company who crashed a fighter and it was all swept under the rug from what I know.

I understand the earlier "affirmative action" and what not is a form of DEI, but what I am referring to is the rampant DEI that became prevalent in the last 3-4 years under Biden and basically made way for every thing to be "ok" and actually prioritized hiring "anything over a white male". Prior to the past 3-4 years it was mostly black and female that were being pushed into traditionally white male roles. Affirmative action was always a bit more "sly" about what it was doing IMO. I know my company is big in DEI, but we didnt have a "VP of DEI" until about 2-3 years ago I know that. They made a big deal about setting up that office, im sure to get more government cash.
 
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The helicopter was 100-200' higher than they should have been - that's solely on the pilot flying.

HOWEVER

Why the hell did the Evaluator Pilot allow a 50%+ altitude deviation, during a checkride, especially in that airspace???

Also worth noting - when initially informed of the CRJ over the Wilson Bridge, the helo immediately asked to maintain visual separation. I bet dollars to donuts that is a trained "techcedure" used by those military aviation units to save a minute or two on each flight.
 
Seems there are quite a few experienced posters in this thread. All of the added context from their experience is very interesting and appreciated.

Perhaps an oversimplification, but it seems like the cause has already been identified.

The heli was over the 200ft limit, as I understand it. It simply should not have been there.

This is what happened... but not why?

Why was the helicopter over its altitude limit? Why was it not 'behind' the plane. Or ahead of it.

Two objects intersected on an x, y, z and time axis. That's what happened.

The question remains.... why did all four of those things come to pass. That's the root cause. Not that two objects were in the same space at the same time.

And those are 'probably' going to come down to human factors. Including, because such a thing is real... simple bad luck! But generally, luck has less to do with things than human factors. Could be over-stressed controllers. Confusion. Difficulty of using Nods. Plane making a last-minute dogleg to an unexpected runway. Mistaken identity. Faulty altimeter. Glass on windscreen not clean enough and showing flares or artifacts. Momentary loss of concentration. Over-concentrating on the wrong thing. Fatigue. Over-confidence. Under-confidence. Wind currents. Sensory overload.... a million things.

But those are going to be the 'why.' Not the what.

I am sure the investigation will be thorough. And I also bet that there are files and papers on desks right now that give a lot more insight than we have. Which hopefully in this new era will see the light of day... because we need honesty and sunlight, not mealy-mouthed cover-ups and gaslighting in order to protect some sacred cows or careers.

And as for the DEI component... it doesn't have to involve the specific background of any one individual. It can simply be that the whole system is resting on a foundation of incompetence and 'praying for good luck' that this sort of thing is bound to happen. I have posted here before that we are living in a way-too-complex system. Especially when it comes to aviation. Noone knows how it all works. Because it is too many systems, stacked on systems, stacked on systems. Many of which are out-dated and being held together with baling wire.... and by a lot of really good people who manage to keep things running despite the crumbling infrastructure and systems.

Sometime when you are at a big airport (I had the thought at Heathrow last spring).... look at what's happening around you. Look at the ant-nest-like activity. And ask yourself... if anyone really understands what is happening or how it's all running. Or is it being handled mainly by rote.. and by muscle memory and process. Which is fine if you are ants. But not if you have something like 10 million people in the air at any given moment worldwide.

Maybe it's just that in our world of "Everyone has the god-given right to fly to see Mickey or hop on a plane to sell hot-tub-parts in Botswana..." it's all just gotten too big and too complex. And is built on a foundation of sand. Just waiting for some outside force to come and kick in the anthill.

Folks are thinking "oh... AI will come to the rescue." Yeah. Right. Put your hopes on database software given a catchy title in order to pump up stock values in a Dot-Com-era throwback to make short-traders rich... Sure. That's a good plan.

AI will not kill us all because its going to turn on us like some Arnie movie. But because it is garbage... and has always been garbage. And as long as programmers are creating it to get big IPO bonuses... and not to solve problems... it will stay garbage.

Pardon the rant. It's too early on a Sunday to rant.

Sirhr

PS. And because some people expect it now... burn someone's' house the fuck down! Won't do any good, but will be fun to watch! (Oh and just yesterday down the road from me.... big new-construction house burned to the ground. Wood stove installed by retards... probably illegal. And operated by retards. Citified condo-dwelling sissies who thought moving to the country to pretend to be country-folk while parking an electric Audi parked in the garage... would be oh so dreamy. So hiring retards... and being retards... gets your fucking house burned down. And your plug-in Audi along with it. Winning! Back to the high-rise 15 minute city with you, Chad and Muffy. Take your Latte-machine with you. Oh, wait... that burned up, too!)
 
This is what happened... but not why?

Why was the helicopter over its altitude limit? Why was it not 'behind' the plane. Or ahead of it.

Two objects intersected on an x, y, z and time axis. That's what happened.

The question remains.... why did all four of those things come to pass. That's the root cause. Not that two objects were in the same space at the same time.

And those are 'probably' going to come down to human factors. Including, because such a thing is real... simple bad luck! But generally, luck has less to do with things than human factors. Could be over-stressed controllers. Confusion. Difficulty of using Nods. Plane making a last-minute dogleg to an unexpected runway. Mistaken identity. Faulty altimeter. Glass on windscreen not clean enough and showing flares or artifacts. Momentary loss of concentration. Over-concentrating on the wrong thing. Fatigue. Over-confidence. Under-confidence. Wind currents. Sensory overload.... a million things.

But those are going to be the 'why.' Not the what.

I am sure the investigation will be thorough. And I also bet that there are files and papers on desks right now that give a lot more insight than we have. Which hopefully in this new era will see the light of day... because we need honesty and sunlight, not mealy-mouthed cover-ups and gaslighting in order to protect some sacred cows or careers.

And as for the DEI component... it doesn't have to involve the specific background of any one individual. It can simply be that the whole system is resting on a foundation of incompetence and 'praying for good luck' that this sort of thing is bound to happen. I have posted here before that we are living in a way-too-complex system. Especially when it comes to aviation. Noone knows how it all works. Because it is too many systems, stacked on systems, stacked on systems. Many of which are out-dated and being held together with baling wire.... and by a lot of really good people who manage to keep things running despite the crumbling infrastructure and systems.

Sometime when you are at a big airport (I had the thought at Heathrow last spring).... look at what's happening around you. Look at the ant-nest-like activity. And ask yourself... if anyone really understands what is happening or how it's all running. Or is it being handled mainly by rote.. and by muscle memory and process. Which is fine if you are ants. But not if you have something like 10 million people in the air at any given moment worldwide.

Maybe it's just that in our world of "Everyone has the god-given right to fly to see Mickey or hop on a plane to sell hot-tub-parts in Botswana..." it's all just gotten too big and too complex. And is built on a foundation of sand. Just waiting for some outside force to come and kick in the anthill.

Folks are thinking "oh... AI will come to the rescue." Yeah. Right. Put your hopes on database software given a catchy title in order to pump up stock values in a Dot-Com-era throwback to make short-traders rich... Sure. That's a good plan.

AI will not kill us all because its going to turn on us like some Arnie movie. But because it is garbage... and has always been garbage. And as long as programmers are creating it to get big IPO bonuses... and not to solve problems... it will stay garbage.

Pardon the rant. It's too early on a Sunday to rant.

Sirhr

PS. And because some people expect it now... burn someone's' house the fuck down! Won't do any good, but will be fun to watch! (Oh and just yesterday down the road from me.... big new-construction house burned to the ground. Wood stove installed by retards... probably illegal. And operated by retards. Citified condo-dwelling sissies who thought moving to the country to pretend to be country-folk while parking an electric Audi parked in the garage... would be oh so dreamy. So hiring retards... and being retards... gets your fucking house burned down. And your plug-in Audi along with it. Winning! Back to the high-rise 15 minute city with you, Chad and Muffy. Take your Latte-machine with you. Oh, wait... that burned up, too!)
Damn dude! How much caffeine have you consumed this morning? 🤣
Lots of failures by multiple individuals lead to this airplane/helo collision. I'm sure the final NTSB report will show this. Still, a very terrible loss of lives.
 

Let’s do all we can to make it look like a conspiracy. Why were the other helo pilots social media not scrubbed? I mean, I grant it could be innocent stuff; but, obfuscating is actually worse in this case (maybe?) than just letting it out.
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Damn dude! How much caffeine have you consumed this morning? 🤣
Lots of failures by multiple individuals lead to this airplane/helo collision. I'm sure the final NTSB report will show this. Still, a very terrible loss of lives.

LOL........I may or may not have/ had something to do with the "eta" house burning part of his post this morning......😂 I egged it on, in another thread a few minutes ago 😎

Kinda accused him of not having enough coffee...........well, I see it's kicked now 😂
 
Two objects intersected on an x, y, z and time axis. That's what happened.

Problem is aside from objective facts, verified equip failure, protocol failure, altitude, etc, a lot of it is just subjective input. While you can assign a range of values to these criteria/variables, it just means the result will vary within a proportional subjective range. This is where the "common sense" must come into play.
 
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LOL........I may or may not have/ had something to do with the "eta" house burning part of his post this morning......😂 I egged it on, in another thread a few minutes ago 😎

Kinda accused him of not having enough coffee...........well, I see it's kicked now 😂

I really should switch to Sanka….

But glad to recognize your talents for including house burning in my rants!!!

;-)

Sirhr
 
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We had a female pilot at my company who crashed a fighter and it was all swept under the rug from what I know.

I understand the earlier "affirmative action" and what not is a form of DEI, but what I am referring to is the rampant DEI that became prevalent in the last 3-4 years under Biden and basically made way for every thing to be "ok" and actually prioritized hiring "anything over a white male". Prior to the past 3-4 years it was mostly black and female that were being pushed into traditionally white male roles. Affirmative action was always a bit more "sly" about what it was doing IMO. I know my company is big in DEI, but we didnt have a "VP of DEI" until about 2-3 years ago I know that. They made a big deal about setting up that office, im sure to get more government cash.
DEI is another name for affirmative action.
 
Yeah I'm starting to think girl pilot was a lefty lesbo.
Certainly looks like she was a militant type (not related to Armed Forces). I really don’t care if she was lesbian or not, what I care about is if she got that position because she was a lesbian and not because she was best PERSON for the job.


All this bullshit some women/men or whatever get a job because they match some criteria other than merit sickens me. I have the pleasure to work with 3 women on a regular basis who are badasses and easier to work with than 99% of men. So it’s not a gender issue…it’s being hired without any merit.

I suspect we’ll learn the truth about this person. It’s all making sense though…scrubbing her social media, her parents social media, and her siblings social media. Seems very suspect….VERY.
 
All this bullshit some women/men or whatever get a job because they match some criteria other than merit sickens me. I have the pleasure to work with 3 women on a regular basis who are badasses and easier to work with than 99% of men. So it’s not a gender issue…it’s being hired without any merit.
Backed-up this female once, ended up tearing my rotator cuff because of the shit she started but couldn't finish.
 
Could someone that is a current or past military helicopter pilot talk about how much average annual flight time pilots should be logging?
She had less than 500 hrs in almost 6 years. Thats not much time.
 
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This is what happened... but not why?

Why was the helicopter over its altitude limit? Why was it not 'behind' the plane. Or ahead of it.

Two objects intersected on an x, y, z and time axis. That's what happened.

The question remains.... why did all four of those things come to pass. That's the root cause. Not that two objects were in the same space at the same time.

And those are 'probably' going to come down to human factors. Including, because such a thing is real... simple bad luck! But generally, luck has less to do with things than human factors. Could be over-stressed controllers. Confusion. Difficulty of using Nods. Plane making a last-minute dogleg to an unexpected runway. Mistaken identity. Faulty altimeter. Glass on windscreen not clean enough and showing flares or artifacts. Momentary loss of concentration. Over-concentrating on the wrong thing. Fatigue. Over-confidence. Under-confidence. Wind currents. Sensory overload.... a million things.

But those are going to be the 'why.' Not the what.

I am sure the investigation will be thorough. And I also bet that there are files and papers on desks right now that give a lot more insight than we have. Which hopefully in this new era will see the light of day... because we need honesty and sunlight, not mealy-mouthed cover-ups and gaslighting in order to protect some sacred cows or careers.

And as for the DEI component... it doesn't have to involve the specific background of any one individual. It can simply be that the whole system is resting on a foundation of incompetence and 'praying for good luck' that this sort of thing is bound to happen. I have posted here before that we are living in a way-too-complex system. Especially when it comes to aviation. Noone knows how it all works. Because it is too many systems, stacked on systems, stacked on systems. Many of which are out-dated and being held together with baling wire.... and by a lot of really good people who manage to keep things running despite the crumbling infrastructure and systems.

Sometime when you are at a big airport (I had the thought at Heathrow last spring).... look at what's happening around you. Look at the ant-nest-like activity. And ask yourself... if anyone really understands what is happening or how it's all running. Or is it being handled mainly by rote.. and by muscle memory and process. Which is fine if you are ants. But not if you have something like 10 million people in the air at any given moment worldwide.

Maybe it's just that in our world of "Everyone has the god-given right to fly to see Mickey or hop on a plane to sell hot-tub-parts in Botswana..." it's all just gotten too big and too complex. And is built on a foundation of sand. Just waiting for some outside force to come and kick in the anthill.

Folks are thinking "oh... AI will come to the rescue." Yeah. Right. Put your hopes on database software given a catchy title in order to pump up stock values in a Dot-Com-era throwback to make short-traders rich... Sure. That's a good plan.

AI will not kill us all because its going to turn on us like some Arnie movie. But because it is garbage... and has always been garbage. And as long as programmers are creating it to get big IPO bonuses... and not to solve problems... it will stay garbage.

Pardon the rant. It's too early on a Sunday to rant.

Sirhr

PS. And because some people expect it now... burn someone's' house the fuck down! Won't do any good, but will be fun to watch! (Oh and just yesterday down the road from me.... big new-construction house burned to the ground. Wood stove installed by retards... probably illegal. And operated by retards. Citified condo-dwelling sissies who thought moving to the country to pretend to be country-folk while parking an electric Audi parked in the garage... would be oh so dreamy. So hiring retards... and being retards... gets your fucking house burned down. And your plug-in Audi along with it. Winning! Back to the high-rise 15 minute city with you, Chad and Muffy. Take your Latte-machine with you. Oh, wait... that burned up, too!)
system built on sand? sounds like w. coast FL AEB latest hurricane results. AEB my "new" 5 yo nissan. loaded with electronic garbage with ?? life expectancy. you are right. we life in a time of complex systems that have no need of or value because of American's obsessions with comfort and convenience as well as our psycho-neurotic obsession with safety. systems in place that are mandated and expensive for a reason and that few can understand and nobody can repair.
 
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Could someone that is a current or past military helicopter pilot talk about how much average annual flight time pilots should be logging?
She had less than 500 hrs in almost 6 years. Thats not much time.
Not a military helo pilot, but friends who are say for a commissioned Army officer who had a non-flying role for a few years, her hours are ballpark if on the lower side of ballpark.

Warrants fly a *lot* more than commissioneds.
 
Could someone that is a current or past military helicopter pilot talk about how much average annual flight time pilots should be logging?
She had less than 500 hrs in almost 6 years. Thats not much time.

I dont know about helo, but I know fighter type guys come out of the air force, navy and marines after their 10 year commitment with around 1000 hours if they are lucky. If they did a combat deployment or a few combat deployments their numbers can be higher, but somebody that was in fighters with zero deployment only fly's maybe 2-5 hours a month after they are trained up.

As a civilian 121 airline pilot I average like 700-750 hours per year...
 
Backed-up this female once, ended up tearing my rotator cuff because of the shit she started but couldn't finish.
Different industry for sure and sounds like she was unqualified/physicall incapable(?) for whatever she was doing; but, it could also have been some scrawny guy as well who sounds like he'd be equaly unqualied or incapable of doing the job. But sorry about the RC...been there done that.
 
system built on sand? sounds like w. coast FL AEB latest hurricane results. AEB my "new" 5 yo nissan. loaded with electronic garbage with ?? life expectancy. you are right. we life in a time of complex systems that have no need of or value because of American's obsessions with comfort and convenience as well as our psycho-neurotic obsession with safety. systems in place that are mandated and expensive for a reason and that few can understand and nobody can repair.
Haha...cars...we don't need aerospace level expectations for 2-D vehicles. I'm all about the improvements to handling, engines, transmissions over the last 20 years. I even like the OBD-II port for diagnostics and the LRU concept of replacement.

But, what I abhor is 1) weight of cars is stupid nowdays (that's all the safety stuff), 2) the pretty engine covers so the common folk don't see the spark plugs/wires/oil filters, 3) lack of dipsticks, 4) special procedures for changing transmission/differential fluid, etc. 5) cartridge oil filters, 6) electric steering racks, 7) auto-start-stop at intersections, 8) and finally the biggest...zero road feel through steering wheel and auto-correction of my path

Cramming all that into the car means everything is now supertight in the engine compartment and elsewhere, making it a ROYAL PAIN IN THE ARSE to work on things if you don't have either the special tool, a lift, and especially patience.
 
Could someone that is a current or past military helicopter pilot talk about how much average annual flight time pilots should be logging?
She had less than 500 hrs in almost 6 years. Thats not much time.
I was talking to somebody who was on the Blackhawk program and most get about 1 hour of flight in a normal "session" according to him. His opinion was 450-500 hours was quite a lot.

A navy pilot friend said 500 hours is absolutely enough to get comfortable with the aircraft's capability and should NOT have been a factor if they were truly qualified. Subsequently mentioned the F-14 pilot....
 
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Could someone that is a current or past military helicopter pilot talk about how much average annual flight time pilots should be logging?
She had less than 500 hrs in almost 6 years. Thats not much time.

I asked this question because I ran offshore operations for a large pipeline company for a long time. I had, depending on budget cuts and construction, between 8 to 12 BO-105's flying across the Gulf.
Our minimum requirements was 3000 hours (in helicopters), 1000 hours in type, and 500hrs flying in the gulf.

Seems like we are doing our military pilots a disservice not allowing more training flight time.
 
So, all ye who are real pilots here. Dumb questions:

1) So they "cannot figure the altitude discrepancy" is part of the issue. The radar showing the altitude at 200 I guess could be in error, but what's the cycle time for that radar? Does it go around @ 1Hz, faster? Or is it an omni-directional antenna?

2) Could this be a problem with the pilots in the helo not setting the proper Kollsman? Or, they set it but their barometric pressure was way off due to faulty equipment at the post from where the departed? If it's either one of these two, these are serious issues in training and maintenance. Fault baro at post COULD also explain why there were other flights that week where their was apparent encroachment in the flight path of a landing A/C.

Educate me here....
 
I was talking to somebody who was on the Blackhawk program and most get about 1 hour of flight in a normal "session" according to him. His opinion was 450-500 hours was quite a lot.

A navy pilot friend said 500 hours is absolutely enough to get comfortable with the aircraft's capability and should NOT have been a factor if they were truly qualified. Subsequently mentioned the F-14 pilot....
Laura Hultgren was a land-based EA-6A Prowler pilot out of Key West before Hillary pushed DoD into forcing her/steering her into the F-14 and carrier quals. Up to that point, she was fine in T-34s, T-2C, TA-4J, and EA-6A.

Not everybody could bring the Tomcat back to the boat, and that was the gatekeeper of who got to fly F-14s vs those who couldn’t. I suspect she would still be alive today had the Navy not caved to pressure and steered her into Tomcats to appease the Hillary WH in 1993.

Subsequent female F-14 candidates who were held to the standards and not pressured were able to successfully operate the F-14 and bring it back to the boat, though there was one female back-seater who was instrumental in a Blue-on-Blue incident in Kuwait that killed a buddy of mine, several EOD guys, a USAF TAC-P, and a New Zealand Army Officer when they dropped Mk.82s on their position instead of the TGT. The F-14 was FACing for the ODA and an F/A-18 practicing CAS in the Kuwait range training complex in 2001.

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