New Barrett MRAD ELR?
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There wasn't any cherry picking with the rifles we all used, they were the only ones built, lol, and at least 2 of the Barretts had never been shot until they got to Raton the week prior to King of 2 Miles.
OK, so it is priced right up there with a McMillan tack 50 in a CADEX, or an accuracy international. Slightly less, but in the ballpark.
It is 50% more than a Desert Tech
Who makes the barrel? Bartline? Lilja? Proprietary? Button rifle or cut rifle?
Chamber specs?
Trigger pull adjustable between what and what?
If I weren’t already into my Desert Tech, I suppose I would consider this one amongst the others as a higher end 50 caliber/416 rifle
I still like that my Desert Tech with a 41 inch barrel, and an Armite brake is going to be significantly shorter than this
It is 50% more than a Desert Tech
Who makes the barrel? Bartline? Lilja? Proprietary? Button rifle or cut rifle?
Chamber specs?
Trigger pull adjustable between what and what?
If I weren’t already into my Desert Tech, I suppose I would consider this one amongst the others as a higher end 50 caliber/416 rifle
I still like that my Desert Tech with a 41 inch barrel, and an Armite brake is going to be significantly shorter than this
Look forward to seeing your results.It's on order, should be here next month... maybe
What calibers are they going to offer?
When you used it how did it handle? Recoil manageable?
If I remember correctly they do have contracts with several different countries. How those countries acquisition process, DTs & OTs, and paths to POR status work I don’t know.
That doesn’t help me with my MRAD, but thank you.You have my support.
Until I talk more with Barrett I'm really not sure what I can disclose more than I already have due to NDA about barrel, chamber specs etc. I will say I loaded and sized all of my Warner brass with standard RCBS 416 Barrett dies. The trigger isn't a super light bench rest trigger like all of my other rifles, but it breaks extremely clean , mine was set at 2.5# which took a little getting used to after shooting 2-4 oz jewels for so long . I know DTI makes some great rifles too, but being a lefty I've never been able to get comfortable behind anyone's to shoot since y'all seem to be backwards and shoot right handed.
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The recoil with the Barrett brake is minimal even as light as the rifle is, I weighed in at 33# ready to fire at KO2M with the bipod XT, adjustable bag rider, hd50 bipod, Defense Solutions scope mount , and a 7-35 ATACR W/Charlie . It's extremely manageable and absolutely pleasant to shoot . My 10 yr old has no problems with it.
When they switch calibers is it the entire what looks to be an upper in your photo or is it just the barrels?
I know first hand what a regular MRAD is capable of even in my shitty hands. They shoot lights out. I would expect a scaled up version to do the same.
Wonder what the street price on the 2.5-10 sfp will be. Sounds like a great hunting scope. My favorite currently is the NXS 2.5-10x42 and if this is comparable while 30% cheaper I might try one for my kids deer rifle.
I'm completely fine and would rather sacrifice a higher powered erector for the usability in the field.
BTW I've also had vx5hd to back because of tracking issues. But was a great scope otherwise. I have a Mk5 3.6-18x44 that I think is going on the wife's hunting rifle next year, unless hawkins comes out with some 35mm ultralight rings.
I'm completely fine and would rather sacrifice a higher powered erector for the usability in the field.
BTW I've also had vx5hd to back because of tracking issues. But was a great scope otherwise. I have a Mk5 3.6-18x44 that I think is going on the wife's hunting rifle next year, unless hawkins comes out with some 35mm ultralight rings.
Showed up today. Any good sources for .416 Barrett reloading?
your only brass source is going to be RWS from Barrett (perhaps others?), you have the 500 grain ATIP and numerous solids to choose from, CCI 35 or RWS primers, and you'll want RL50 or H50BMG for powder, or maybe the VV if you swing that way
I'd buy 100 of these and never look back. They will last longer than your first barrel:
I'd buy 100 of these and never look back. They will last longer than your first barrel:
The Ruag brass isn't great, and as of right now good brass isn't available. My match brass has been RWS from Warner tool and die, but Dan is out of stock unless the new shipments have arrived in the last week or so. It's rws 50 cal brass that Warner forms and inside and outside neck turns before sending it out. Kinda pricey but exceptional quality, most of mine has 6-10 firings and is still holding up very well.
In a few months (8-10) after the testing is finished Peterson 416 Barrett brass will be available, I've got 100 pieces of the prototype brass and it's gorgeous.
As far as powder RL50, H50BMG, 20n29 all work great with RWS or CCI 35 primers, the CCI are hotter so the loads will be 1-1.5gr lighter than RWS for the same velocity.
Very nice. Thanks!
If I can ask, what bullets are you having success with and how fast do you have them going?
RUAG and RWS are difficult to separate often made on same machines, etc, I don't know where you're getting the information that they're different.
Curious but from the pics will it actually be able to be converted to a 50 bmg. The mag well looks short for that.
Hellwolf can you confirm?
Hellwolf can you confirm?
Might be made on the same machines but definitely from different cups , the RUAG head stamp brass is not the same quality as RWS . 2-3 firings on RUAG before it's trash as compared to 12+ firings running the same pressure on RWS from Warner . Case heads swelling and primer pockets getting loose on the RUAG. There's a reason we were all supplied with RWS from Warner to compete with from Barrett last season, but at $15 each it has to be quality to warrant the cost .
The MradELR could be shot in a 50bmg configuration but a loaded round cannot be ejected without breaking the rifle down to remove the bolt. The rumor mill from in house also confirmed it's a little punishing as a 50bmg at 26#.
I'm running the OEM Barrett 500gr Lazers from Cutting Edge, the seal tight band is moved forward approximately .100" to accommodate magazine feeding compared to the standard 500gr Lazer. The barrels I'm running right now are 1/9 twist and the production rifles being shipped are 1/12 twist . The production guns are shooting 500gr Atips very well . The loaded factory Barrett precision ammo is loaded with the 500gr Atips at around 2850fps , they went from the 9 twist to 12 twist and to the Atips to be able to load CIP spec for export, and the 500 Atips could loose the jacket run too fast from the 9 twist barrels .
My match loads with the 500 Lazers and RL50 In the rws brass are running 3080 fps with no pressure issues. All 6 of us outside of Barrett that shot the prototypes in 2023 were running almost the exact same loads and velocities , same bullet, same powder, same brass, the only variance was some ran cci35 primers and some ran rws primers. The cci35 took 1-1.5 for less powder for the same velocity as the rws primers but weren't as consistent without sorting.
The RWS "50 Browning" stamped brass I have from Dale Arenson and his importing partner is marked "RWS" on the boxes (all 16 of them); The "T" brass I have that is RWS is made in Thun Switzerland. I have never seen a brass headstamped "RUAG" or boxed and labelled RUAG. I do know that the 50 BMG primers I got from Dale with the brass are all in these boxes which are marked both RUAG and RWS.
I'd like to learn more about this RUAG brass.
I'd like to learn more about this RUAG brass.
I run a NF 7x35 on my MRAD in a SPUHR. I’m thinking either another NF or trying the ZCO 8x40 in a defense solutions mount.
Awesome thank you. I was worried about the lazers because the recommend a 9 twist. They look fine through a stability calculator, good to know they can run in the factory 12.
After a conversation with Dan Warner earlier today the RUAG brass is the factory 416 Barrett head stamp and the brass that's offered from Barrett . It's the brass that has consistently had extraction problems and issues resizing. The RWS 50 brass you get from Dale is the same rws brass that Dan works over and makes our match 416 Barrett brass from.
I'm working with the Peterson prototype 416 brass right now and it's looking awesome, minor tweaks and it will hopefully be in full production . They're hoping to have it publicly available sometime in 2025.
Time to start hand loading after I shoot these. I’ve seen it covered elsewhere but curious what would be y’alls suggestion for best tool/method to remove the factory crimp for reloading? Goal to get pockets as uniform as possible for long range accuracy and not have one of these giant primers go off in my face.
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Got the first 20 rounds down range today. Initial thoughts are that it is super heavy, but accurate, with surprisingly mild recoil.
It’s comparable to somewhere like the 300 win mag and 338 Norma in the standard MRAD.
Fired the 500 gr ATIP match ammo available through Barrett. This thing hits the pocket book hard. Even reloading it’s going to hard to get the cost under $6 per round.
With a small sample size, it’s more accurate than I was expecting. 3 round group after zero measured 0.62in. Shot a coupele three round groups at steel at 500 yards that all measured about four inches. Still have a lot to figure out how it does with hand loads and at distance.
Downsides. Definitely see how it would be difficult to handle in alcalinwr with a longer case like the 50bmg since the ejection port is only about five inches. Also, the magazines don’t leave a lot of room to load much longer than the “factory” 500gr atips, maybe 1/4 of an inch.
I think for the volume and type of shooting I do the 375 enabler or similar will be the better way to go. I hope they make it in a slightly shorter and lighter barrel.
But the trigger pull will put a smile on your face and it definitely gets the attention of onlookers.
Looks like these are now on the shelf at Europtic, for anyone looking...
www.eurooptic.com
Barrett MRADELR .416 Barrett 36" 1:12" Bbl Tungsten Grey Cerakote Rifle 19614
Barrett MRADELR .416 Barrett 36" 1:12" Bbl Tungsten Grey Cerakote Rifle 19614 For Sale
Won’t find out till a get a garmin. Can’t figure a good way to secure my magnetospeed bayonet over the big ass clamshell.
Magnetospeed used to make a large brake adapter.
When you going out to shoot it again.
Just got a garmin so took it out today.
Factory has the 500 atips listed at 2850 I came in about 30fps under. Don’t know if these barrels are expected to speed up or not my round count is at 50. I think and ES of 20 would be awesome from a factory offering, the sample size is still low though.
Cloverleafs at 100 meters every time though.
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You are less than 1% away from the advertised velocity so I would definitely say it is completely consistent with what is on the box. And yes, it might speed up 50 ft./s with more rounds down the tube.
+2850 ft./s for a 500 g projectile with that ballistic coefficient is certainly no slouch
I very much want you to tear one of them apart and show us what powder and how many grains are inside
If you have a grip-n-pull bullet puller, you can just reassemble it assuming you have the reloading equipment like press and it dies
Or you can just use pliers to tear it apart, but you will probably destroy the round and I understand why you might be reluctant to do that at $10 a pop
+2850 ft./s for a 500 g projectile with that ballistic coefficient is certainly no slouch
I very much want you to tear one of them apart and show us what powder and how many grains are inside
If you have a grip-n-pull bullet puller, you can just reassemble it assuming you have the reloading equipment like press and it dies
Or you can just use pliers to tear it apart, but you will probably destroy the round and I understand why you might be reluctant to do that at $10 a pop
It’s advertised as RL50 I got some charge weights from another poster here I’m going to load some to match 2850. Can post data if helpful after.
I pulled a bullet as suggested. It definitely appears to be RL50. It weighed out at 173.3. This is precisely within the charge weight range that was suggested to me by another member to match the factory speed of 2850fps. So that is good data.
I got some of the primed RUAG brass available through Barrett. Unfortunately it is shipped pretty loose and almost 1:3 necks were visibly not concentric or flat out dented.
Buy once cry once might be obvious to most, but I wanted to get something compatible with what I had laying around and got the Lee dies to work on my old Lee classic. Let’s say it’s doable, but not ideal. On the fresh brass I cut the decapping pin off the expanding unit to attempt to make everything more concentric without punching the primers. I bought a spare pin for decapping and sizing in one step in the future.
The Lee die resizes closely to the factory dimensions measured with a comparator. Though my fired brass visibly has a sharper shoulder angle taking on essentially a fire formed appearance. I’m thinking custom dies will be the way to go in the future.
Loaded up a couple of charge weights to try. The goal is ultimately to meet or slightly exceed the factory 500gr offerings, while maintaining accuracy, which has been really good in the factory loads (only tested to 500 meters so far).
The Lee seating die is also hard on the Hornady bullet, leaving an ogive ring mark, so that needs to be addressed too.
I’m going to get these shot, hopefully work up a load, then start stretching it’s legs a little bit further.
I got some of the primed RUAG brass available through Barrett. Unfortunately it is shipped pretty loose and almost 1:3 necks were visibly not concentric or flat out dented.
Buy once cry once might be obvious to most, but I wanted to get something compatible with what I had laying around and got the Lee dies to work on my old Lee classic. Let’s say it’s doable, but not ideal. On the fresh brass I cut the decapping pin off the expanding unit to attempt to make everything more concentric without punching the primers. I bought a spare pin for decapping and sizing in one step in the future.
The Lee die resizes closely to the factory dimensions measured with a comparator. Though my fired brass visibly has a sharper shoulder angle taking on essentially a fire formed appearance. I’m thinking custom dies will be the way to go in the future.
Loaded up a couple of charge weights to try. The goal is ultimately to meet or slightly exceed the factory 500gr offerings, while maintaining accuracy, which has been really good in the factory loads (only tested to 500 meters so far).
The Lee seating die is also hard on the Hornady bullet, leaving an ogive ring mark, so that needs to be addressed too.
I’m going to get these shot, hopefully work up a load, then start stretching it’s legs a little bit further.
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