It amazes me that people in 2025 still believe this....

Dimefox said:

Any good books you guys recommend that unpack all of the JFK cover up? Best Evidence by David Lifton has been on my radar. Others?

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There are quite a few and I've read some good ones that reveal the huge weight of motivation of people such as LBJ, the Texas oil barons, Sam Giancana of the Chicago mob, pissed off Cubans, the huge military complex poised to make millions to equip the war in Vietnam that Kennedy planned to withdraw from.

LBJ for one, had to remove Kennedy as Kennedy was planning on dropping him as his running mate in the upcoming election. LBJ would then most likely be headed to prison for his side scandals with Billy Sol Estes.
Kennedy also planned to expose the secret societies and fracture the CIA into a thousand pieces.

There were a large number of people involved who participated and had to get blood on their knives.

LRRPF52 said:

Notice that the current plan for the JFK, MLK, and RFK assassination files is that there will be a 45 day review and plan on how to release them. They have not been released or fully-declassified yet.

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45 days to destroy the incriminating evidence.

Longshot231 said:

45 days to destroy the incriminating evidence.

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somebody said that there is a final loophole and the cia director or somebody can hide shit if they "need" to for "national security".

we are all very untrusting. for a damn good reason!

"an encounter with evil" the Abraham Zapruder story-a look at an aspect little covered. doesn't give the WC lone gunman story any help.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

When many of us think of the term (just the term/word) "conspiracy", no doubt we immediately build images of a vast/shadowy organization behind everything pulling strings etc.

With this particular topic I don't think that it's a vast government coverup but I do think there's much more to the real story than what the official story leads one to believe. It doesn't take a network of hundreds of people working on concocting an elaborate coverup to make the story work, it really only takes a small handful, maybe a dozen or so, folks in the right positions & in the right agencies to dictate what the official story would be. That in itself is rather mind boggling to me- just a dozen or so folks colluding together that can shape an entire story.

-LD

I like how she states a personal opinion, then doesn't backup the belief with any thing.

At least the op puts some effort into it.

BTW... WOULD!!!!!

GreenGO Juan said:

I like how she states a personal opinion, then doesn't backup the belief with any thing.

At least the op puts some effort into it.

BTW... WOULD!!!!!

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She's certainly easy on the eyes.

Unrelated to anything other than my own mind- but did anyone else find the flag placements behind her to be... odd?

I actually googled it (even found one example) but 2 US flags to the left & 2 House of Representatives flags to the right...Struck me as kind of weird.

-LD

LuckyDuck said:

She's certainly easy on the eyes.

Unrelated to anything other than my own mind- but did anyone else find the flag placements behind her to be... odd?

I actually googled it (even found one example) but 2 US flags to the left & 2 House of Representatives flags to the right...Struck me as kind of weird.

-LD

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sorry I did even see flag, I was too curious thinking about the strain that top button on her jacket must be under and kinda hoping it would fail.

Longshot231 said:

45 days to destroy the incriminating evidence.

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Just like I said. If they declassified everything with no redactions and it said Oswald was the lone shooter. Many still wouldn't accept it.

I always thought JFK was assassinated to stop him from signing an act 1111 or something that restored the U.S. treasury to its rightful place and essentially took out the third attempt at a central private bank… (“Federal” Reserve).

certainly a hell of a motive for people with a lot of money and influence…

Given Oswalds feelings on Cuba, I personally feel his action were related to that. IE sympathizing for Cuba in the streets of New Orleans and trying to travel there/various embassy action.

His wife was Russian and he spent some time living there. Even there, they recognized his various unhinged action.

What I throw up in the air are these 3 possibilities.
1. Was he picked and supported by US types ie mafia/intel services( many were pissed standard oil lost, mafia lost, cia had there opperation shit all over?)

2. Was he acting as a Russia agent?

3. Or was he just a nut job acting on his own?

Every thing I have seen on it leads me to these thought. But I don't claim to know, that will likely never be known.

GreenGO Juan said:

Given Oswalds feelings on Cuba, I personally feel his action were related to that. IE sympathizing for Cuba in the streets of New Orleans and trying to travel there/various embassy action.

His wife was Russian and he spent some time living there. Even there, they recognized his various unhinged action.

What I throw up in the air are these 3 possibilities.
1. Was he picked and supported by US types ie mafia/intel services( many were pissed standard oil lost, mafia lost, cia had there opperation shit all over?)

2. Was he acting as a Russia agent?

3. Or was he just a nut job acting on his own?

Every thing I have seen on it leads me to these thought. But I don't claim to know, that will likely never be known.

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Given the revelations about USAID , by Mike Benz the past few weeks..... ( new Shawn Ryan podcast dropped yesterday also...for those,if any have no idea what / who I'm talking about.)
I'm going with some form of number one. JFK was seen as and probably was, a threat to the " blob" and was eliminated.
Once one wraps their mind around, what and who he terms " the blob " is and how it operates........it becomes clear and quite scary , if one accepts ,as true, what he's saying/ laying out there.

I hope POTUS understands the Pandora's box that is being opened and the dangers involved...... and takes the needed precautions.
I wont be surprised if more attempts of assassinations are made......." Their power" is being threatened and revealed.
Other options are a possibility also.......a "color revolution" right here on US soil ,being one. Quite possible that is what happened ,election.2019/2020.

WasNH4X said:

Given the revelations about USAID , by Mike Benz the past few weeks..... ( new Shawn Ryan podcast dropped yesterday also...for those,if any have no idea what / who I'm talking about.)
I'm going with some form of number one. JFK was seen as and probably was, a threat to the " blob" and was eliminated.
Once one wraps their mind around, what and who he terms " the blob " is and how it operates........it becomes clear and quite scary , if one accepts ,as true, what he's saying/ laying out there.

I hope POTUS understands the Pandora's box that is being opened and the dangers involved...... and takes the needed precautions.
I wont be surprised if more attempts of assassinations are made......." Their power" is being threatened and revealed.
Other options are a possibility also.......a "color revolution" right here on US soil ,being one. Quite possible that is what happened ,election.2019/2020.

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Yep, cuba nationalized the oil, sugar and the mob lost their party island. Then he (JFK) pulled the plug on bay of Pigs… leaving how many to die with out airsupport???

Thats my #1 too.

The aspect of the ammo being WCC, and from such a very limited production run is something I've never heard before. Thanks for posting that. Just goes to show that there are always aspects that are yet to be known.

While working in Shreveport a few years ago, I decided one Saturday to take a ride to Dallas and go to the Sixth Floor Museum. This was in October of 2020, and all the Covid restrictions were in place. They have the corner of the museum blocked off with plexiglass where Oswald fired from. You can't get over to look out that window, but you can look out from the one right next to it. As a shooter, I was kind of struck by how close everything was. I've had shooter buddies say that to me too, that whole plaza is much smaller than I imagined it to be. There are two large X marks out on the street, presumably where each shot was fired. The farthest one, the one Zapruder made famous, is only about 75 yards, not far at all. The museum has a ton of newspapers and some videos, along with a few other artifacts from the time. The far opposite corner from the "sniper's nest" (as they call it) is a Mannlicher Carcano supposedly identical to Oswalds. While there, I also visited an art exhibit on the floor above the museum, really to just go to that corner window above the blocked off area one floor below, and see what it looked like. Not much different than the window next to it on the sixth floor actually.
After the museum part, I just walked around the area for a while. I stood where Zapruder stood, on the big concrete block at the edge of the steps on that monument. That is about 20 yards from the X on the street, really, really close. The street is not all that wide either, it's three lanes, but people standing along the curbs would be 10-12 feet from the limo. I went back around behind the fence in the area I always heard called the "grassy knoll". It's a wood stockade fence that's over 5 feet high. I have no idea if that is original, it looked old and overgrown, and if someone wanted to see the president, they would have just went out in front of it, so it is kind of secluded in that regard. That would have been a great spot except that there are parts of that monument and trees blocking view further up the street. A shooter there would have probably had to wait longer, until the car was down the road further, and until that angle was unobstructed by the windshield or anything else, that was my impression from there. I even walked up and onto the train overpass to a spot that looked back along the line of the X marks, which lined up perfectly with that sixth floor window. That doesn't mean anything really, but you can see how long the seats in the limo would be exposed to that window. That would also have been a great spot for a shooter, car moving directly towards it, except that it is completely exposed and the windshield would be in the way.

It was a few hours of walking around and exploring there, including the museum, and it looked like lots of other people were doing the same thing. Probably like that every day there.

One thing that I didn't see mentioned in this thread so far, is something I remember reading in the Ayoob Files from American Handgunner magazine back in the March/April 1993 edition (had to search for that date). Apparently, a bunch of gun guys at an ASLET event all decided to recreate the scenario, and then just started freewheeling with it. They used a replica rifle and similar ammo, just trying to get the hits within the timeframe. Something I never knew before, was that Oswald was a lefty, and the shooting position from that window as a lefty is way more shooter-friendly that would be for a right handed shooter. The article went into more of a story about it, and all the ways they tried making those shots, but basically it was decided that for faster shooting, a lefty would have the rifle in their shoulder and left hand on the stock/trigger, but hold their right hand on the bolt. The forearm would be on the window, supported by that, and the right hand on the bolt made cycling it much faster. They also decided that since the shots were so close, the scope could be pivoted over and the irons would be faster. (the reports of the "loose scope mount" on that rifle were actually mounts that allowed the scope tube to be flipped or rotated over to the side, allowing use of the irons) The article didn't try to make any conclusion aside from how decades of being told "it's just not possible" doesn't sit well with lots of us, so they tried some things differently, and found it was not the impossible task that some claim it to be.

This is more of a statement than a question, no need to reply etc

But I’ll never understand how this topic is so discussed. Not saying I don’t want to know but every JFK discussion ends with “we’lol never know”.

I really don’t see how people discuss hypothetical reasons and scenarios that can and will never be proved out.

Everyone always regurgitates the same information that was available in 1965..nothing has changed and nothing is new.

I truthfully don’t understand the discussion

Again..nothing saying I don’t want to know the truth..but the truth is lost in history.

And if you believe in conspiracies, the same people who are giving you the information are the same people who did it. So on its face there is no truth weather it truth or not.

LRRPF52 said:

That’s because of Zapruder film and the basic evidence of the case. No way Oswald could have generated supersonic blood splatter and vaporization on the front/right of JFK’s head from behind.

Anyone who has analyzed high-speed impacts of living targets for decades that watches Zapruder knows immediately that the fatal head shot came from the front/right oblique aspect.

You don’t see any violent projectile impact and corresponding explosive blood spray in the back of his head, with perpendicular spatter to the POI like you do on the front of the head, followed by inertia translating through the skull and sending it backwards.

You see right away why Zapruder was kept from the public. You take into account frame 313 and Parkland Dr. testimonies, and the 6th floor origin for the head shot disappears really quick.

Then you ask, where did CE399 even come from if it wasn’t the bullet picked up off the floor in the Parkland elevator lobby? Tomlinson and Wright both describe a Spitzer bullet, not a RNFMJ. FBI memo that was kept from WC states, “WE HAVE A BULLET PROBLEM. WITNESSES CAN’T ID BULLET”.

That’s why Single Bullet Theory author Arlen Specter only called Tomlinson to the stand, and cherry-picked his questioning to steer it to fit his narrative. The whole manner in which the WC staffers were allowed to drive testimony was unprofessional, and violated basic logic and protocols. You don’t use the staffer who came up with a theory to steer witnesses into supporting that theory. It taints the whole thing.

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No it doesn't.

No they don't. Oswald being the lone shooter in no way disqualifies any conspiracy besides the second shooter hypothesis. Which I think is weak vs the single bullet theory for reasons I already posted in this thread.

We are either gonna find out or they are gonna speculate on the evidence as has been done since the assisnation.

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If anyone is inclined to believe what a government tells them, let’s set the record up a little to give context for the JFK assassination:

They lied about the Lusitania sinking in 1915. It was in-fact carrying tons of mortar rounds and ammunition headed for England, and German spies in New York harbor observed and reported the cargo that was loaded onto it back to Germany.

They lied about what caused the Great Depression.

FBI Director Hoover lied to and misrepresented critical evidence that was used to build the case for Attorney General Homer Stille Cummings to draft the 1934 NFA. Key to that act was the assertion by Hoover that 500,000 hoodlums and gangsters like John Dillinger were roaming around the US with Thompsons, 1911s, and sawed-off shotguns. During the NFA Hearings, Colt testified that when the were contracted to manufacture Thompson SMGs, they only made 20,000 of them in 1921, and they still hadn’t all sold by 1934 because of how expensive they were.

Hoover also lied repeatedly about the Mafia, saying it was just a myth, that there wasn’t a National Crime Syndicate.

They lied about the Bay of Pigs fiasco, which is why DCI Dulles and Deputy Director Cabell were fired.

They lied about the assassination of the Diem Brothers in South Vietnam (out allies).

LBJ WH lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

LBJ WH lied about the USS Liberty incident.

Hoover lied and covered up COINTELPRO.

LBJ WH repeatedly lied and covered up facts about Vietnam stats, losses, and disposition of enemy forces.

I could go on and on about all the lies told by Hoover’s FBI and multiple WH’s, which were supported by the corporate media in lockstep for decades.

What you have to then do is suspend disbelief and think that these same lying politicians and secret police suddenly turned a leaf for the JFK assassination, and gave it to the American people straight, then went back to their normal criminal activities.

Sorry, nobody with a clear-thinking mind is going to believe that.

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these are the reasons,plus several,ft Sumter,Iraq,covid,2008 financial crash,new deal,Pearl Harbor,RFK,Malcolm X,MLK,etc. thus i don't believe the WC or anything else coming from the gov about JFK. i have to wonder why any records were saved or not destroyed over the last 60 years. the history of gov lies is just too universal to really believe anything from it. so,like most,i want to hear what comes out but will prob believe we will never know.

There is almost always some truth in the lies. Why go to the trouble of getting Oswald up there with a gun and not having him shoot? He was seen carrying what he said was curtain rods wrapped in the blanket they found the rifle in that day. It was an easy shot.

Who set it up is way more important than if there was second shooter.

fair point. a 2nd or 3rd shooter being proven or proving clearly any of the autopsy,magic bullet stuff would clearly prove conspiracy. so,alternative narratives are important particularly for the viewpoint that you mention.

I don't think there are many people out there who don't think the government/fedral reserve/dirty politicians/organized crime wasn't involved. But I could be wrong.

So what about dimaggio did it cause the Kennedys offed Monroe so she wouldn't publish her tell all book? I mean cmon man!!

I used to think conspiracy theories were just people questioning the facts. Ive always been ok with that. Maybe not fully onboard, but I would listen. It was the people that said, he was never shot and lives in Wyoming or whatever. I always thought those were the mental people, the tinfoil types.

Then I kept getting older and seeing more and more lies. Watching WTC 7 fall from office paper fires is when I started thinking....maybe JFK is alive and living in Wyoming.

Today if the media or govt tells me the sky is blue, im on board with people that say there is no sky, we are in pool of slime connected to the Matrix. Ill consider it now!!

If you think the WC on JFK is truth, you should probably put a second mask on, because Covid is REAL!!!!!

brianf said:

This is more of a statement than a question, no need to reply etc

But I’ll never understand how this topic is so discussed. Not saying I don’t want to know but every JFK discussion ends with “we’lol never know”.

I really don’t see how people discuss hypothetical reasons and scenarios that can and will never be proved out.

Everyone always regurgitates the same information that was available in 1965..nothing has changed and nothing is new.

I truthfully don’t understand the discussion

Again..nothing saying I don’t want to know the truth..but the truth is lost in history.

And if you believe in conspiracies, the same people who are giving you the information are the same people who did it. So on its face there is no truth weather it truth or not.

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Yeah, but at some point people really want to know if Theis is really a gun guru, DOD badass, or is he proped up from behind the curtains? Some had speculated he was full of shit. EVeryone can speculate and draw conclusions all they want, but there are some out there that know the truth and might have enough to finally prove what some assumed.....you know what I mean?

Never say never on finding the truth. Some pharmacy guy might have all the answers!

You are so full of shit.



You should really find something else to do than try to convince people of your delusional crime solving skills.

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Yeah, but at some point people really want to know if Theis is really a gun guru, DOD badass, or is he proped up from behind the curtains? Some had speculated he was full of shit. EVeryone can speculate and draw conclusions all they want, but there are some out there that know the truth and might have enough to finally prove what some assumed.....you know what I mean?

Never say never on finding the truth. Some pharmacy guy might have all the answers!

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That’s the funny part..the truth is out there and I still get texts and pm’s from guys asking questions….and usually off the wall questions lol

I feel like the cia/ fbi/ warren report

Mean_Man said:

I always thought JFK was assassinated to stop him from signing an act 1111 or something that restored the U.S. treasury to its rightful place and essentially took out the third attempt at a central private bank… (“Federal” Reserve).

certainly a hell of a motive for people with a lot of money and influence…

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I've often heard that as being a motive for his assassination. It's been a good minute since I've dug into that particular angle but I seem to recall coming up short finding substantiating evidence for my own self-imposed thresholds at least.

GreenGO Juan said:

Given Oswalds feelings on Cuba, I personally feel his action were related to that. IE sympathizing for Cuba in the streets of New Orleans and trying to travel there/various embassy action.

His wife was Russian and he spent some time living there. Even there, they recognized his various unhinged action.

What I throw up in the air are these 3 possibilities.
1. Was he picked and supported by US types ie mafia/intel services( many were pissed standard oil lost, mafia lost, cia had there opperation shit all over?)

2. Was he acting as a Russia agent?

3. Or was he just a nut job acting on his own?

Every thing I have seen on it leads me to these thought. But I don't claim to know, that will likely never be known.

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Maybe a rhetorical question question but touching on your comment about his wife being from the Soviet Union (a minor nitpick/correction to calling her Russian and not a personal attack towards you) and your #2 comment about him potentially being a Soviet agent (again just a minor nitpick)...

I remember many years ago having similar questions and recall at the time questioning whether the wife detail in particular was an argument that would have made sense in 1963 but may not have aged gracefully. I also recall the way I approached it then was by focusing on the timeline of when those details were made publicly available. Bear with me- but answering that question seemed important to me at the time and I'd still say is important.

Full disclosure- enough years have lapsed that I no longer am confident that I'm remembering things accurately but my memory of that research suggests that it was rather quickly disclosed that LHO had a Soviet wife, spent time in the Soviet Union (seem to remember something about renouncing citizenship being mentioned) and their embassies, and was distributing communist leaflets. And I can see how in 1963 that would have seemed to make "perfect sense" as him being guilty to the general public's perception of communists in the early 60's.

But, again assuming I'm remembering that research correctly and that this wasn't revealed until the Warren Commission concluded, that poses some issues for me. Today in 2025- the public would certainly be in an uproar about the government not picking up on all these flags that they revealed about LHO but of course technology is a lot different now than it was over 60 years ago too (fully acknowledge that).

But if we are to accept that he was freely able to move into the Soviet Union (as an American with recent military enlistment to boot), marry a Soviet wife, and distribute communist leaflets without the US government tracking him due to the lack of modern technologies- then how were they able to release that information so quickly unless they already had a dossier on file? Remember this was the era of McCarthyism, Herbert Hoover collecting whatever information he could, the launch of Sputnik/the space race, the failed bay of pigs invasion and the Cuban missile crisis (just to name a few). And that's on the US side- it's often dismissed that someone with the background that LHO had or was reported to have was completely ignored/off the radar of the Soviets too.

I'd love to bring my comments all to a poignant point but (as previously stated) I'm not entirely confident I'm remembering the release dates of that information accurately but the dots I mentioned as hinging on being connected on that still hold merit I hope.

-LD

brianf said:

This is more of a statement than a question, no need to reply etc

But I’ll never understand how this topic is so discussed. Not saying I don’t want to know but every JFK discussion ends with “we’lol never know”.

I really don’t see how people discuss hypothetical reasons and scenarios that can and will never be proved out.

Everyone always regurgitates the same information that was available in 1965..nothing has changed and nothing is new.

I truthfully don’t understand the discussion

Again..nothing saying I don’t want to know the truth..but the truth is lost in history.

And if you believe in conspiracies, the same people who are giving you the information are the same people who did it. So on its face there is no truth weather it truth or not.

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I know you said no need to reply but you brought forth such a great statement about "not understanding why this topic is discussed as much as it is" and I just had to throw my two cents in there- maybe not saying anything new to you but perhaps more to the benefit of other folks that may be reading this thread.

Such a great remark and it only took 4 pages to have someone present it that way.

As for why I personally think we keep discussing it- in a lot of ways I think our present society is much better equipped to relating to some of the factors today then they have been since Kennedy was elected with the recent presidential race with Trump. I'm not saying that Trump & Kennedy were BFF's or the same but there are interesting parallels that are shared between the two that would be hard for us to grasp in 2025 if you hadn't lived through the election in 1960.

Just as a candidate- JFK was vastly different from what the voters in the 1960 election had seen. He was young, good looking, wealthy, had a gorgeous wife by the standards of the day, and was Catholic. Aside from the wealth- he was the polar opposite of candidates you would have seen on the ballot. The country was also changing with new technologies (television being a huge one) and a paradigm shift was occurring and the chasm between the young and older generations seemed immense. JFK represented a new politician for a new decade and a quickly changing Society. Of course he wasn't loved by everyone (and often for the afore mentioned reasons which were likely harped on with the new technologies which forever changed how the news was delivered to American households arguably even more so than his political policies) Lord only knows how much airtime was spent criticizing him shunning the tradition of wearing a hat.

The country also was living in relative euphoria (one that hasn't been seen for decades now). We won WWII, had television and the standard of living was likely at the high-water mark for most Americans. There was a deep national pride and the belief that things would only get better and why wouldn't they feel that way- they standard of living was skyrocketing, the value of their dollar was strong, and in just a relatively short period of time we've gone from trains & automobiles to u-boats, airplanes and now we have a president saying we are going to the moon. How hard is it today to understand that progression an optimism?

But his life was cut short and very publicly. Americans watched this all unfold (probably the biggest event first communicated through television) and in realtime where as before it was on the radio and newspaper. The country watched LHO being murdered on live television. They were invested in this story in ways never before seen, this was "our" president and for the first time the average American household was watching these events unfold rather than listening or reading about them.

And the public outcry was never satisfied in my opinion. What might have cut it in newspapers or radio before no longer transferred over to general public acceptance. We had now entered an era of "show me" and the Warren Commission in many ways failed to realize that technology had changed, public perception had changed, and their findings (while they may have sufficed in newspapers or on a public radio broadcast) no longer cut the proverbial mustard in many American households and I'd argue that was one of the first times we saw that degree of public trust eroded so quickly.

It didn't get better either- the American public were then fed Vietnam and daily "kill counts" of Vietnamese as well as their hometown sons that perished. The anti movements for these never felt so real and were broadcasted daily. The race riots were in full swing and an absolute vacuum of the America we 'used' to know as citizens was no longer the America we 'now' knew. Largely due to technological shifts but the JFK assassination was right at the precipice of that change.

So again @brianf sorry for the long winded reply but your comment was just too excellent to hold my tongue on and share my thoughts on the "why" we're still talking about it so vigorously 62 years later.

-LD

LuckyDuck said:

Maybe a rhetorical question question but touching on your comment about his wife being from the Soviet Union (a minor nitpick/correction to calling her Russian and not a personal attack towards you) and your #2 comment about him potentially being a Soviet agent (again just a minor nitpick)...

I remember many years ago having similar questions and recall at the time questioning whether the wife detail in particular was an argument that would have made sense in 1963 but may not have aged gracefully. I also recall the way I approached it then was by focusing on the timeline of when those details were made publicly available. Bear with me- but answering that question seemed important to me at the time and I'd still say is important.

Full disclosure- enough years have lapsed that I no longer am confident that I'm remembering things accurately but my memory of that research suggests that it was rather quickly disclosed that LHO had a Soviet wife, spent time in the Soviet Union (seem to remember something about renouncing citizenship being mentioned) and their embassies, and was distributing communist leaflets. And I can see how in 1963 that would have seemed to make "perfect sense" as him being guilty to the general public's perception of communists in the early 60's.

But, again assuming I'm remembering that research correctly and that this wasn't revealed until the Warren Commission concluded, that poses some issues for me. Today in 2025- the public would certainly be in an uproar about the government not picking up on all these flags that they revealed about LHO but of course technology is a lot different now than it was over 60 years ago too (fully acknowledge that).

But if we are to accept that he was freely able to move into the Soviet Union (as an American with recent military enlistment to boot), marry a Soviet wife, and distribute communist leaflets without the US government tracking him due to the lack of modern technologies- then how were they able to release that information so quickly unless they already had a dossier on file? Remember this was the era of McCarthyism, Herbert Hoover collecting whatever information he could, the launch of Sputnik/the space race, the failed bay of pigs invasion and the Cuban missile crisis (just to name a few). And that's on the US side- it's often dismissed that someone with the background that LHO had or was reported to have was completely ignored/off the radar of the Soviets too.

I'd love to bring my comments all to a poignant point but (as previously stated) I'm not entirely confident I'm remembering the release dates of that information accurately but the dots I mentioned as hinging on being connected on that still hold merit I hope.

-LD

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Yes i believe your memory is some what accurate but I don't believe those facts would have been obscure or hard to come by. And here are a few points why I believe that.

LHO was in the US military. I believe he worked in Japan in some fashion monitoring radar's and some of that was related to U2 flights coming back in to land after taking pictures over Asia. So he would have already had a little more "paper work" than the average Joe.

Soon after the above mentioned, again its been a while for me to and I forget specific dates and occurrences is when he took off to the USSR and while there married in Belarus, btw at the home of Marina's(his wifes) Uncle who worked for Soviet intel services. Potentially this could have " raised flags" and put him on the radar as there was a lot of US/USSR following each others "people" around.

Note- Lee was in Russia when Powers was shot down, not saying he had any responsibility for it but if the above is true, I think the US intel service would be on top of any one with any knowledge of U2 flights. Especially one in the USSR hanging out with their intel services.

After that returned to the states and while in New Orleans was passing out the pro commie Cuba pamplets on the streets of New Orleans, another action that likely could have garnered him some attention.

There's a lot more to it but thats about enough typing for now. But the main point is he most definitly was doing things that even in the "low tech" 1950/60's would have raised an eye.

Well shit here I go again.

The above where I draw my first 2 conclusions, as he would have been the perfect Pasty or an actual pro Russian agent.

Other things I find interesting is that Kennedy and Khrushchev were both "removed" from power not long after, and both "blinked" so to say on the Cuba thing. Kennedy botched the Bay of PiGs by pulling support, and Khrushchev backed off putting missiles in Cuba. Likely pissing off Warhawks on both sides. Not saying related, I just find it interesting.

And on to the Bay of Pigs specifically, Kennedy is the one who fucked that up. He pulled support mid operation. Which bascilly allowed Cuba to keep the US assets and investment that had been made there. This did piss off some powerful people who lost $$. In my opinion Kennedy fucked up here, no way in hell we should have let Russia move in on Cuba like that.

Any way, my tin foil hat is starting to sort circuit....

Best theory/accusation I've heard was from a guy about 30 some years ago was that it was the Rockerfellers that had JFK killed because they were making so much money due to weapons production for Vietnam.

Bullfrog08 said:

Yeah, but at some point people really want to know if Theis is really a gun guru, DOD badass, or is he proped up from behind the curtains? Some had speculated he was full of shit. EVeryone can speculate and draw conclusions all they want, but there are some out there that know the truth and might have enough to finally prove what some assumed.....you know what I mean?

Never say never on finding the truth. Some pharmacy guy might have all the answers!

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I can say for certain, he has no idea on how to zero a rifle or use DOPE for shots at 1k.
Day two was even worse.

375fan said:

Best theory/accusation I've heard was from a guy about 30 some years ago was that it was the Rockerfellers that had JFK killed because they were making so much money due to weapons production for Vietnam.

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Rockerfellers had those standard oil investments that were nationalized by the Cubans.


As did others.

Rockefellers were also involved in Banking and the Medical industries.

I can't get this to link it goes straight to a PDF but google it, a good read

GreenGO Juan said:

Rockerfellers had those standard oil investments that were nationalized by the Cubans.

https://www.justice.gov/fcsc/cuba/documents/1-1500/0938.pdf

As did others.

Cuba Petróleo Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rockefellers were also involved in Banking and the Medical industries.

I can't get this to link it goes straight to a PDF but google it, a good read
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JFK was planning to eliminate or close a tax loophole big oilmen were enjoying.

Texas oil tycoon, and at the time of his death reportedly the richest man in the world H.L Hunt of the Hunt Brothers, was quoted as saying 'The Kennedys need to be shot out.'

Looks like the FBI just "found 2,400 new documents" from the Kennedy assassination in an old box somewhere:



The first one is a December 1963 email with the subject line: "Skibbity not-Mossad."

GreenGO Juan said:

Yes i believe your memory is some what accurate but I don't believe those facts would have been obscure or hard to come by. And here are a few points why I believe that.

LHO was in the US military. I believe he worked in Japan in some fashion monitoring radar's and some of that was related to U2 flights coming back in to land after taking pictures over Asia. So he would have already had a little more "paper work" than the average Joe.

Soon after the above mentioned, again its been a while for me to and I forget specific dates and occurrences is when he took off to the USSR and while there married in Belarus, btw at the home of Marina's(his wifes) Uncle who worked for Soviet intel services. Potentially this could have " raised flags" and put him on the radar as there was a lot of US/USSR following each others "people" around.

Note- Lee was in Russia when Powers was shot down, not saying he had any responsibility for it but if the above is true, I think the US intel service would be on top of any one with any knowledge of U2 flights. Especially one in the USSR hanging out with their intel services.

After that returned to the states and while in New Orleans was passing out the pro commie Cuba pamplets on the streets of New Orleans, another action that likely could have garnered him some attention.

There's a lot more to it but thats about enough typing for now. But the main point is he most definitly was doing things that even in the "low tech" 1950/60's would have raised an eye.

Well shit here I go again.

The above where I draw my first 2 conclusions, as he would have been the perfect Pasty or an actual pro Russian agent.

Other things I find interesting is that Kennedy and Khrushchev were both "removed" from power not long after, and both "blinked" so to say on the Cuba thing. Kennedy botched the Bay of PiGs by pulling support, and Khrushchev backed off putting missiles in Cuba. Likely pissing off Warhawks on both sides. Not saying related, I just find it interesting.

And on to the Bay of Pigs specifically, Kennedy is the one who fucked that up. He pulled support mid operation. Which bascilly allowed Cuba to keep the US assets and investment that had been made there. This did piss off some powerful people who lost $$. In my opinion Kennedy fucked up here, no way in hell we should have let Russia move in on Cuba like that.

Any way, my tin foil hat is starting to sort circuit....

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Did you ever hear about the accidental/negligent discharge theory that was proposed by that ballistic/forensic expert?

232593 said:

Did you ever hear about the accidental/negligent discharge theory that was proposed by that ballistic/forensic expert?

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no never heard that one.