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#551
Kiba said:
Had to do some digging to find it since I immediately replaced it with a 360 precision steel rail, but here's the latest version aluminum rail with all the weights...

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360 precision steel rail weighs right about 40oz, and I believe the OG steel rail on my oldest TCS with all the weights comes in right about 37oz.
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Man, thanks for the help!

So it appears my hunch was correct and someone at Manners didn't weigh their rail correctly or made a typo (1.39lbs vs 2.2lbs).

IIRC my OG steel rail weighs 2.6lbs or 41.6ozs (but I'm going to pull it and weigh it again to be sure), so if my math is right*, using the newer aluminum rail like in your pic with the front stabilizer weight would put the rail at ~38ozs.

*Since 1.39 rounded to 1.4lbs = 22.4ozs - 3.6ozs (2 x 1.8ozs since I need 2 empty slots for the front stabilizer) + 1.2lbs/19.2ozs for the front stabilizer = 38oz.

IDK, sounds like I'll lose a few ounces overall (which I wasn't really looking for, I'd actually like to add a pound), but, it might accomplish getting the weight more out front and make the gun feel more front-biased like I'd like.

Honestly, it might be a lot of dicking around for not much return on investment.

Or maybe... DM me how much you want for that rail you're not using lol..?
 
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#560
In case anyone is wondering... the MAX rails are starting to trickle out.

Sadly, my chassis wouldn't accept it, my TCS is drilled and has t-nuts to accept the OG steel rail and/or the A419 sawtooth rail... the MAX rail is a different hole spacing (what they're using now for the newer aluminum rail that takes the square silver weights), and even if my TCS did work with it, they didn't include any hardware and the MAX rail needs longer hex screws to have more than just a couple of threads of engagement holding the rail on. Also, in very un-Manners fashion, the one that showed up for me had one of its threaded inserts stripped or cross-threaded from the factory (where the front stabilizer was supposed to attach).

I also was kinda bummed that it only has the option to add the front stabilizer thingy, there's no option to still tune the 3 pairs of weights like I was originally told there would be. I mention this because, at least for me, the whole reason I wanted the MAX rail was to hopefully change the weight bias of my rig and make it more forward-biased and front-heavy, but without being able to pull weights out of the rear of the MAX rail it ended up balancing nearly the same as my rig already does, even with the front stabilizer weight, the gun was just ~2lbs heavier overall (when I mocked it up using just the first screw hole nearest the magwell that lined up).

I ended up just having to send the rail and all the weights back to Manners for a refund as none of it is going to work for me unless my stock takes a trip back to the mothership to get new t-nuts (but I decided not to bother as I'm pretty happy with my rig as-is at ~22lbs with OG steel rail).


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#561
CK1.0 said:
In case anyone is wondering... the MAX rails are starting to trickle out.

Sadly, my chassis wouldn't accept it, my TCS is drilled and has t-nuts to accept the OG steel rail and/or the A419 sawtooth rail... the MAX rail is a different hole spacing (what they're using now for the newer aluminum rail that takes the square silver weights), and even if my TCS did work with it, they didn't include any hardware and the MAX rail needs longer hex screws to have more than just a couple of threads of engagement holding the rail on. Also, in very un-Manners fashion, the one that showed up for me had one of its threaded inserts stripped or cross-threaded from the factory (where the front stabilizer was supposed to attach).

I also was kinda bummed that it only has the option to add the front stabilizer thingy, there's no option to still tune the 3 pairs of weights like I was originally told there would be. I mention this because, at least for me, the whole reason I wanted the MAX rail was to hopefully change the weight bias of my rig and make it more forward-biased and front-heavy, but without being able to pull weights out of the rear of the MAX rail it ended up balancing nearly the same as my rig already does, even with the front stabilizer weight, the gun was just ~2lbs heavier overall (when I mocked it up using just the first screw hole nearest the magwell that lined up).

I ended up just having to send the rail and all the weights back to Manners for a refund as none of it is going to work for me unless my stock takes a trip back to the mothership to get new t-nuts (but I decided not to bother as I'm pretty happy with my rig as-is at ~22lbs with OG steel rail).


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It’s cool to see the rail has actually come out for purchase, but all the rest is pretty lame. Especially the threads being messed up and not being pocketed for additional weights like the original but I guess they figured the added weight didn’t warrant the pocket weights.
 
#562
King_beardsly said:
It’s cool to see the rail has actually come out for purchase, but all the rest is pretty lame. Especially the threads being messed up and not being pocketed for additional weights like the original but I guess they figured the added weight didn’t warrant the pocket weights.
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I tend to give Manners the benefit of the doubt on them deciding not to include the additional square pockets for weight/balance tuning on the MAX rail. I get it, most guys grabbing the MAX rail want max weight, so to me, it just seems like an honest oversight more than them dropping the ball, and I'm glad they're making them at least.

Manners' quality and customer service have been awesome, so I don't want anyone to think I'm taking shots at them. I've tried 3 other top-shelf stocks/chassis since getting my TCS... and I've always ended up back with the TCS because it just works for me and it's been bomb-proof. 3+ years of back-and-forths to the range and a pile of matches and nothing has ever come loose or messed me up.

That said, I do wish they'd do like a "TCS 2.0" or something... I'd be willing to pay a couple/few hundred more for a 6" longer forend with a longer, weight tunable MAX-type rail, so we could get our bipods out further for certain situations and play with weight/balance more (sort of ala Foundation's Samson). The current design hasn't held me back and I did already order another one, so... (reminds me though, I think I want to update my order to have them move the inlet back so I can try a shorter grip-to-trigger distance, just to see).
 
#563
CK1.0 said:
I tend to give Manners the benefit of the doubt on them deciding not to include the additional square pockets for weight/balance tuning on the MAX rail. I get it, most guys grabbing the MAX rail want max weight, so to me, it just seems like an honest oversight more than them dropping the ball, and I'm glad they're making them at least.

Manners' quality and customer service have been awesome, so I don't want anyone to think I'm taking shots at them. I've tried 3 other top-shelf stocks/chassis since getting my TCS... and I've always ended up back with the TCS because it just works for me and it's been bomb-proof. 3+ years of back-and-forths to the range and a pile of matches and nothing has ever come loose or messed me up.

That said, I do wish they'd do like a "TCS 2.0" or something... I'd be willing to pay a couple/few hundred more for a 6" longer forend with a longer, weight tunable MAX-type rail, so we could get our bipods out further for certain situations and play with weight/balance more (sort of ala Foundation's Samson). The current design hasn't held me back and I did already order another one, so... (reminds me though, I think I want to update my order to have them move the inlet back so I can try a shorter grip-to-trigger distance, just to see).
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That’s fair about not doing the pockets, the rail is ment for max weight so pulling weight to then add it back in would be a bit silly.

Now for a longer forend TCS, that’s definitely something I could get behind and would definitely pay for. I’ve never had an issue with my PRS1’s forend but a few extra inches never hurt anyone.
 
#564
Does anyone following the thread have a TCS with the inlet moved back (for shorter grip-to-trigger reach)..?

I'm wondering what the guys who've run them versus the standard TCS thoughts are?

I wear an XL glove (big palm, shorter fingers) so the standard TCS fits me pretty well, but I do prefer short triggers on my 1911/2011s (versus the usual long triggers) to more closely mimic the trigger distance on my CZs, so I'm wondering if I'd like a shorter reach on the bolt-gun too...
 
#567
Only real picture I have of the multi-tool. I want to say that was either the m24 Bartlein in 260 rem or the PVA Osprey M24 6.5 Addiction barrel. I was also shooting some other calibers that day.
 

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#569
King_beardsly said:
You mean 6.5 swedemoor
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Strange that I would mean 6.5 Swedemoor and then type 6.5 Addiction. Pretty sure Accuracy Addiction, their reamer print and PVA who engraved and chambered both of my Addiction barrels weren't all wrong, Lol. Didn't Scott Satterlee coin swedemoor?

Crazy chambering though. I regularly push 140 RDFs over 2900fps from my 20" carbon wrapped barrel without pressure. I had it up to 2998 before I started seeing minor pressure in the heat of the summer. Dropped it down and went to a different powder though since I only have 5lbs of RL-26 left.
 
#570
Sdvldog1371 said:
Strange that I would mean 6.5 Swedemoor and then type 6.5 Addiction. Pretty sure Accuracy Addiction, their reamer print and PVA who engraved and chambered both of my Addiction barrels weren't all wrong, Lol. Didn't Scott Satterlee coin swedemoor?

Crazy chambering though. I regularly push 140 RDFs over 2900fps from my 20" carbon wrapped barrel without pressure. I had it up to 2998 before I started seeing minor pressure in the heat of the summer. Dropped it down and went to a different powder though since I only have 5lbs of RL-26 left.
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I thought they were one and the same, but I could be totally wrong. I will say it’s a pretty awesome chambering and it’s a same more people don’t use it.
 
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#571
King_beardsly said:
I thought they were one and the same, but I could be totally wrong. I will say it’s a pretty awesome chambering and it’s a same more people don’t use it.
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I believe you're correct. The actual chambering is the Addiction, but it is commonly referred to as a swedemoor. I haven't seen a reamer print for the sweedmoor. It is a shame more people don't use it. I get asked about it all the time.

The 6.5x55 is a great cartridge and an awesome parent case for wildcatting.
 
#572
CK1.0 said:
Sadly, my chassis wouldn't accept it, my TCS is drilled and has t-nuts to accept the OG steel rail and/or the A419 sawtooth rail... the MAX rail is a different hole spacing (what they're using now for the newer aluminum rail that takes the square silver weights), and even if my TCS did work with it, they didn't include any hardware and the MAX rail needs longer hex screws to have more than just a couple of threads of engagement holding the rail on. Also, in very un-Manners fashion, the one that showed up for me had one of its threaded inserts stripped or cross-threaded from the factory (where the front stabilizer was supposed to attach).
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I wish I had been keeping up with this thread. I just traded someone for an Area 419 rail and didn't realize it was different than the new Aluminum rail until I got it. Fortunately, @Red343 sent me his first and I had an older steel rail also. I can't believe they made their new rail a different bolt pattern if you will. There was plenty of room to make it match up with the Area 419 one. I was already a little shocked and annoyed when I got my second TCS and found out the rails were different. It's just kind of funny at this point.

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Mark_Dorman said:
I wish I had been keeping up with this thread. I just traded someone for an Area 419 rail and didn't realize it was different than the new Aluminum rail until I got it. Fortunately, @Red343 sent me his first and I had an older steel rail also. I can't believe they made their new rail a different bolt pattern if you will. There was plenty of room to make it match up with the Area 419 one. I was already a little shocked and annoyed when I got my second TCS and found out the rails were different. It's just kind of funny at this point.

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I really like my TCS... but yeah, I agree, all the different rails and bolt patterns are ridiculous. Manners does some dumb shit, it's almost like they don't bother to think things through before they implement changes/updates.
 
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#577
King_beardsly said:
Totally random ask but the TCS is supposed to come with action hardware correct? Mine showed up today missing it, I contacted manners already but figured I’d check here to make sure I didn’t miss a memo saying hardware not included.
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Yes there should be a couple bolts in there for mounting. Search good as sometimes they move around in the packaging.
 
#579
King_beardsly said:
Totally random ask but the TCS is supposed to come with action hardware correct? Mine showed up today missing it, I contacted manners already but figured I’d check here to make sure I didn’t miss a memo saying hardware not included.
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The TCS max (not sure if that’s yours) comes with a micro chassis, so no bottom metal, just an aluminum block that the action would bolt to.
 
#584
King_beardsly said:
Totally random ask but the TCS is supposed to come with action hardware correct? Mine showed up today missing it, I contacted manners already but figured I’d check here to make sure I didn’t miss a memo saying hardware not included.
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The TCS Max comes with the Micro Chassis and an M5 bottom inlet. You will need to supply your own bottom metal. No bedding is required but you do have to purchase the bottom metal separately.

I am currently evaluating KMW, MDT, and Hawkins bottom metals for a comprehensive review. Feel free to send me a PM if you’d like to know my thoughts.
 

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Chopping Broccoli said:
The TCS Max comes with the Micro Chassis and an M5 bottom inlet. You will need to supply your own bottom metal. No bedding is required but you do have to purchase the bottom metal separately.

I am currently evaluating KMW, MDT, and Hawkins bottom metals for a comprehensive review. Feel free to send me a PM if you’d like to know my thoughts.
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I’ve got the standard gen2 mini chassis
 
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