Craddock RTR

#151
we all gotta draw our lines 🤷‍♀️ If I was gonna slap one, I'd hope it was a bitchy one but for .41 moa at 317 I'd commit to slapping almost any nun period. I could look them in the eye and say the Lord made me do it so that I could do God's work...
 
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Hypothetically if you were picking up another/new 6 arc barrel would those here go with a 16" proof (because the 18" is out of stock every where) or give the 18" RTR a try? Looking for consistent accuracy for mixed long range target shooting and hunting applications. (Sometimes suppressed) Say 80% target 20% hunting use.
 
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No sir. He just gave basic info in an email.

ETA: It probably doesn’t mean much but their honest approach to the situation earned them a repeat customer. The barrels I got average +\- .75 moa, don’t copper foul to amount to anything, clean up easily, and look good. I’ll buy more barrels from them. They did the right thing and that means a lot.
 
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I am just finishing up an 18" .22 ARC build. I wanted to go with a 20" RTR barrel but they were sold out so I went with the 18" RTR barrel instead. It's going to be used for foxes, coyotes, ground hogs with a thermal once my tax refund comes it. I may try to use it on hogs next year. It will be used almost always suppressed.

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#158
smarcus said:
Anyone have MV on 16 and 14.5 6.5 Creedmoor barrels with factory loads?
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With 14.5" RTR Barrel and Hornets factory 108 ELD I'm getting around 2470 fps

The 80gr VT shot around .5 MOA and carry a respectable amount of velocity i think it eas over 2600 fps

I can give you specific muzzle velocities next time I go out.
 
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Bigjake83 said:
With 14.5" RTR Barrel and Hornets factory 108 ELD I'm getting around 2470 fps

The 80gr VT shot around .5 MOA and carry a respectable amount of velocity i think it eas over 2600 fps

I can give you specific muzzle velocities next time I go out.
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I think he was asking about Creedmoor not ARC velocities. I only clarify because I'm interested in Creed velocity as well in the 14.5" length
 
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smarcus said:
Anyone have MV on 16 and 14.5 6.5 Creedmoor barrels with factory loads?
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16” 6.5 Creed RTR

S&B 140gr 2438 fps
Berger 130gr Hybrid 2504 fps
Berger 144gr Hybrid 2512 fps
Berger 153.5 Hybrid 2426 fps
Hornady 140gr ELD-M 2453 fps
Federal 140gr Gold Medal 2385 fps
AAC 140gr BTHP 2489 fps
AAC 140gr Matchking 2504 fps
Norma 130gr Golden Target 2592 fps
 
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71firebird400 said:
16” 6.5 Creed RTR

S&B 140gr 2438 fps
Berger 130gr Hybrid 2504 fps
Berger 144gr Hybrid 2512 fps
Berger 153.5 Hybrid 2426 fps
Hornady 140gr ELD-M 2453 fps
Federal 140gr Gold Medal 2385 fps
AAC 140gr BTHP 2489 fps
AAC 140gr Matchking 2504 fps
Norma 130gr Golden Target 2592 fps
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How is the accuracy? Thanks for posting all those velocities!
 
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matt33 said:
How is the accuracy? Thanks for posting all those velocities!
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All 5-shot groups at 100/200 meters. Have a handful of 10-shot groups and they are what you'd expect (about 1.2x the size of the 5-shot groups). Hornady 140 will show promise with one tiny group and then shit the bed. Berger 130's have been extremely consistent and are my go-to. Factory Berger 153.5's haven't shot well for me in any of my bolt guns so I wasn't surprised they didn't do well in this barrel. I have more testing to do with the AAC and Norma ammo.

S&B 140gr - Average 1.24 MOA, 8 groups fired.
Berger 130gr - Average 0.72 MOA, 8 groups fired.
Berger 144gr - Averaged 1.04 MOA, 2 groups fired.
Berger 153.5 - 2.19 MOA, 1 group fired.
Hornady 140gr ELD-M - 0.89 MOA, 12 groups fired.
Federal 140gr - Averaged 1.34 MOA, 2 groups fired.
AAC 140gr BTHP - 0.86 MOA, 1 group fired.
AAC 140gr Matchking - 0.77 MOA, 1 group fired
Norma 130gr Golden Target - 0.68 MOA, 4 groups fired.
 
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Also looking for accuracy reports, and reliability reports [unsuppressed] on the rifle length 14.5” 6.5CM barrels.

I want one something bad, but if they’re finicky unsuppressed because of the lack of dwell time, they’re a non-starter for me.
 
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71firebird400 said:
All 5-shot groups at 100/200 meters. Have a handful of 10-shot groups and they are what you'd expect (about 1.2x the size of the 5-shot groups). Hornady 140 will show promise with one tiny group and then shit the bed. Berger 130's have been extremely consistent and are my go-to. Factory Berger 153.5's haven't shot well for me in any of my bolt guns so I wasn't surprised they didn't do well in this barrel. I have more testing to do with the AAC and Norma ammo.

S&B 140gr - Average 1.24 MOA, 8 groups fired.
Berger 130gr - Average 0.72 MOA, 8 groups fired.
Berger 144gr - Averaged 1.04 MOA, 2 groups fired.
Berger 153.5 - 2.19 MOA, 1 group fired.
Hornady 140gr ELD-M - 0.89 MOA, 12 groups fired.
Federal 140gr - Averaged 1.34 MOA, 2 groups fired.
AAC 140gr BTHP - 0.86 MOA, 1 group fired.
AAC 140gr Matchking - 0.77 MOA, 1 group fired
Norma 130gr Golden Target - 0.68 MOA, 4 groups fired.
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That's actually pretty good, especially for the price.

I only have one large frame gas gun, LMT 20" stainless steel barrel. it does best with Berger 130 Hybrids and Hornady 140 ELD-M's, although I haven't tried all of those.

Recently, I've gotten away from 5 round groups. My new standard for semiauto accuracy is 10 Rounds at 1 MOA. Only 33%of my semiautomatic rifles are capable of this, and most of them are premium rifles.
 
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BurtG said:
Who has been truly happy with their RTR accuracy ?


Seems like sub par for 90+% of what’s been posted
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I’ve been happy with it. It’s a relatively lightweight, inexpensive 6.5 creed barrel. My SR25s outshoot it but they are several times more expensive than what it cost to put together this upper. I run it with a KAC PRT suppressor and it’s been extremely reliable.
 
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71firebird400 said:
16” 6.5 Creed RTR

S&B 140gr 2438 fps
Berger 130gr Hybrid 2504 fps
Berger 144gr Hybrid 2512 fps
Berger 153.5 Hybrid 2426 fps
Hornady 140gr ELD-M 2453 fps
Federal 140gr Gold Medal 2385 fps
AAC 140gr BTHP 2489 fps
AAC 140gr Matchking 2504 fps
Norma 130gr Golden Target 2592 fps
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Were those Berger 130's loaded by Berger or the FGMM load? Seems slow if FGMM but those bullets seem to be ideal in these shorter Creed barrels
 
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71firebird400 said:
All 5-shot groups at 100/200 meters. Have a handful of 10-shot groups and they are what you'd expect (about 1.2x the size of the 5-shot groups). Hornady 140 will show promise with one tiny group and then shit the bed. Berger 130's have been extremely consistent and are my go-to. Factory Berger 153.5's haven't shot well for me in any of my bolt guns so I wasn't surprised they didn't do well in this barrel. I have more testing to do with the AAC and Norma ammo.

S&B 140gr - Average 1.24 MOA, 8 groups fired.
Berger 130gr - Average 0.72 MOA, 8 groups fired.
Berger 144gr - Averaged 1.04 MOA, 2 groups fired.
Berger 153.5 - 2.19 MOA, 1 group fired.
Hornady 140gr ELD-M - 0.89 MOA, 12 groups fired.
Federal 140gr - Averaged 1.34 MOA, 2 groups fired.
AAC 140gr BTHP - 0.86 MOA, 1 group fired.
AAC 140gr Matchking - 0.77 MOA, 1 group fired
Norma 130gr Golden Target - 0.68 MOA, 4 groups fired.
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Thanks!
 
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BurtG said:
Who has been truly happy with their RTR accuracy ?


Seems like sub par for 90+% of what’s been posted
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I had MOA expectations and got what I expected. It's a $350 barrel from a maker who knows how to property gas and finish a barrel. If I wanted a barrel that shot every bullet more consistently I would pay the $700-$800 and wait 6-8 months for a Bart
 
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BurtG said:
Who has been truly happy with their RTR accuracy ?


Seems like sub par for 90+% of what’s been posted
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I like both of mine. They shoot Hornady Black 123ELD’s .75-1moa lot to lot. That’s about all I can expect from them with box ammo. I’d expect more from a developed hand load. They’re gassed perfectly. Function has been 100% suppressed and unsuppressed. Neither string shots when they get hot. Velocity has been on par with any other 18” Grendel barrel I’ve chrono’d with the ammo I shoot. Both clean up easily.
 
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rlsmith1 said:
I had MOA expectations and got what I expected. It's a $350 barrel from a maker who knows how to property gas and finish a barrel. If I wanted a barrel that shot every bullet more consistently I would pay the $700-$800 and wait 6-8 months for a Bart
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This is where I'm at as well, but I've also paid for the top shelf stuff to discover that doesn't mean you get a half minute barrel with factory ammo. This Craddock has performed nearly as well as any other large frame gas gun I've shot with the exception of a couple Knight's rifles and one Larue. I've owned several more expensive barrels that could not hang with the RTR.
 
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There is for sure a venn diagram of internet accuracy, factory ammo accuracy, reloading accuracy, bag accuracy, sled accuracy... to say nothing of 3 shot, 5 shot, 10 shot groups.

I'll tell on myself and say that as I've gotten older I have some great days and some days I just don't shoot as well as I used to.

I have a Noveske Grendel that consistently shoots 5 rounds into .6 MOA but I've struggled to get 10 rounds into 1" - with factory ammo - I finally got tired of $25 groups in order to be able to say it did it. It has killed game out to 400 yards and proven itself on steel out to 900. If I would switch to a 20 MOA base it would be a legit 1000 yard small frame AR gas gun.

I wish we could all know the possible performance with tuned ammo and the best shooter on the most stable rest - but I suspect sometimes people are an OK shooter on an OK rest using OK ammo - and if in that scenario you're anywhere near MOA - go do God's work.
 
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Well, my range trip was forced short and practical due to work and upcoming hog hunt - BUT - the 13.9" Craddock Pangris barrels ran 100% and accuracy looks very promising - one rifle had a 3.5X ACOG and the other a thermal scope so nothing worth photographing or writing home about quite yet other than to say - performance is in line with what I've seen out of other barrels that proved to be sub MOA off a rest. Was using the tripod today. I'll find a day that I can bench all 4 and get some real results with a 20X scope and variety of ammo sooner than later.

I can say conclusively that they will both whack pigs dead with today's results. Also saw 2,490 fps out of factory Underwood 110 gr Controlled Chaos rounds. Out of a 13.9", super happy with that. Hornady ELD 123 was more in the 2350 ish range.
 
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I’m about at a loss with my Pangris barrels. I’m now 0-3. I got one each of the initial runs, a .625 and .750. The .750 shot OK, but I could never get it under 2 MOA no matter what I did. The .625 was an absolute mess though. Maybe 8 MOA? Awful. This was bedding the barrels, playing with barrel torque, shooting off front/rear bags, premium hornady factory loads, etc.

Sold off the .750 and sent the .625 in. I just got the replacement barrel in today in the upper I sent the old off one in, and was psyched to finally get it back. It then proceeded to shoot 4+ MOA under the same conditions. Cool…
 
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doty_soty said:
I’m about at a loss with my Pangris barrels. I’m now 0-3. I got one each of the initial runs, a .625 and .750. The .750 shot OK, but I could never get it under 2 MOA no matter what I did. The .625 was an absolute mess though. Maybe 8 MOA? Awful. This was bedding the barrels, playing with barrel torque, shooting off front/rear bags, premium hornady factory loads, etc.

Sold off the .750 and sent the .625 in. I just got the replacement barrel in today in the upper I sent the old off one in, and was psyched to finally get it back. It then proceeded to shoot 4+ MOA under the same conditions. Cool…
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Hate it yours are working out for you. I’ve been happy with both of mine. What ammo are you shooting? Mine like the 123 ELDM’s
 
#183
Both of my 6.5 Grendel barrels shoot better than I can with loads they like. I use a Flow 762 on them and gas blocks are fully open unsuppressed and suppressed to get reliable function. They are both very new though. Less than 200 rounds between the 2 of them.
 
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thedude824 said:
Both of my 6.5 Grendel barrels shoot better than I can with loads they like. I use a Flow 762 on them and gas blocks are fully open unsuppressed and suppressed to get reliable function. They are both very new though. Less than 200 rounds between the 2 of them.
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Yeah I’m super frustrated because I know they generally make great barrels. I know my first two were in a bad run from some rogue employee (which is weird but whatever). Oh well, no biggie. But I waited patiently for a few months for them to swap this out to a fresh one and it barely can keep it on a sheet of notebook paper too. I’m really at a loss. At this point I hate to be like this but I’m a bit frustrated with playing barrel roulette and kinda just want a refund and wash my hands of the whole thing.

I’ve got several barrels of theirs that shoot great so I think this is just a fluke, but that doesn’t change that I’ve spent a few hundred rounds and probably a dozen range trips between these barrels trying to get them to hit the broad side of a barn. As it stands I’ve got a SOLGW Grendel barrel I paid barely $100 for that shoots circles around them.
 
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doty_soty said:
I’m about at a loss with my Pangris barrels. I’m now 0-3. I got one each of the initial runs, a .625 and .750. The .750 shot OK, but I could never get it under 2 MOA no matter what I did. The .625 was an absolute mess though. Maybe 8 MOA? Awful. This was bedding the barrels, playing with barrel torque, shooting off front/rear bags, premium hornady factory loads, etc.

Sold off the .750 and sent the .625 in. I just got the replacement barrel in today in the upper I sent the old off one in, and was psyched to finally get it back. It then proceeded to shoot 4+ MOA under the same conditions. Cool…
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All I'm going to say is that I have had good luck with Liberty / Satern barrels in 6.5 Grendel for the AR 15 Platform.
I spent a lot of money on a Craddock 6.5 Grendel barrel and sold it.
 
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doty_soty said:
Yeah I’m super frustrated because I know they generally make great barrels. I know my first two were in a bad run from some rogue employee (which is weird but whatever). Oh well, no biggie. But I waited patiently for a few months for them to swap this out to a fresh one and it barely can keep it on a sheet of notebook paper too. I’m really at a loss. At this point I hate to be like this but I’m a bit frustrated with playing barrel roulette and kinda just want a refund and wash my hands of the whole thing.

I’ve got several barrels of theirs that shoot great so I think this is just a fluke, but that doesn’t change that I’ve spent a few hundred rounds and probably a dozen range trips between these barrels trying to get them to hit the broad side of a barn. As it stands I’ve got a SOLGW Grendel barrel I paid barely $100 for that shoots circles around them.
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Whoa… did you contact them? I’ve never had an issue, but from what I hear they would make it right. Which barrel do you have? All Pangris? I assume you’ve tried a couple different loads? I wasn’t able to get to any load development on mine (13.9” Pangris with 0.750 journal) or even shoot a proper group due to the individuals shooting on either side of me. My last three rounds at 100 yards to confirm zero with the Precision Firearms 123 Scenar were all touching (which is amazing just based on how angry and distracted I was). I started load development on my 18” with less than 100 rounds so now I’m doubting that info. I’m going to put 200 rounds through both before I determine a load.
How many rounds do you have through them? What bullets? Powder? Brass? I’m really not a fan of the skinnier barrels with the 0.625 blocks, but I’m no authority on whether that is founded or simply personal. Would you be willing to send your upper to them to evaluate?
Even my “unacceptable loads” with Lehigh Match solid 110 were no more than 1.5 MOA and I’m not convinced I’m not partially or totally responsible. I also just purchased a couple boxes of the Lapua Scenar L 123. Again.. just me.. but I’ve had more problems with polymer tips than those without. It could definitely just be me, but you’ve got several avenues to pursue…
 
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thedude824 said:
Whoa… did you contact them? I’ve never had an issue, but from what I hear they would make it right. Which barrel do you have? All Pangris? I assume you’ve tried a couple different loads? I wasn’t able to get to any load development on mine (13.9” Pangris with 0.750 journal) or even shoot a proper group due to the individuals shooting on either side of me. My last three rounds at 100 yards to confirm zero with the Precision Firearms 123 Scenar were all touching (which is amazing just based on how angry and distracted I was). I started load development on my 18” with less than 100 rounds so now I’m doubting that info. I’m going to put 200 rounds through both before I determine a load.
How many rounds do you have through them? What bullets? Powder? Brass? I’m really not a fan of the skinnier barrels with the 0.625 blocks, but I’m no authority on whether that is founded or simply personal. Would you be willing to send your upper to them to evaluate?
Even my “unacceptable loads” with Lehigh Match solid 110 were no more than 1.5 MOA and I’m not convinced I’m not partially or totally responsible. I also just purchased a couple boxes of the Lapua Scenar L 123. Again.. just me.. but I’ve had more problems with polymer tips than those without. It could definitely just be me, but you’ve got several avenues to pursue…
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These were all three the 13.9 Pangris. Initial runs of the .625 and .750, and just now a .625. The first two they said were from a batch that all of them were bad. This new one isn’t much better

Yeah. I tried all the usual stuff. I’m not a savant but I can usually get a quality rifle to shoot at or under MOA. This new ‘fixed’ one barely keeps it on paper too though. It was going 2” groups just getting an initial zero at 25. ELDMs, SSTs, BTs. Didn’t matter.

I may take another run at it but I don’t know really why. Barrels polish up after 100+ rounds, etc, but they don’t go from horrendous to MOA. The ammo can obviously make a difference but when no factory AAC/Hornady ammo makes a dent in the issue it doesn’t look promising.

I do wonder if their new Mk2 Pangris went to a thicker barrel profile for a reason, and if maybe they stretched these 22oz barrels a little too far. But I dunno, all I know is I paid $350 for a barrel that hits about as accurately as I can with my Glock lol

So far I’ve contacted them but not heard back. The upper I initially assembled with the old barrel, but sent it to them for inspection. They swapped it to the new one and sent it back. So it’s assembled by them now, not that there’s much to assembling one but there’s a lot an inexperienced builder can mess up, so that’s out of the equation at least. It seems to shoot better? Like at least most bullets hit the paper now lol

I will say I bet their standard profiles fare better, and maybe I just got yet another lemon. I’ve had several of their 5.56’s and 6arcs and they’ve all met some very high expectations fairly easily. And anyway it seems like Grendel can be finicky in general. I always seem to take the longest tweaking before I’m happy with my grendels. I’ll probably take this one back out after a cleaning and try single-loading just to eliminate another variable, but at this point it’s just so I can pursue a refund guilt-free knowing it’s not something on my end, because they do seem like great guys and I hate to be a hassle.
 
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Odd. Out of all the Grendel builds I’ve done, I’ve only given up on 2 barrels. Most have been extremely easy to find a load that shoots moa or better. I’ve had the exact opposite experience with 6ARC. They’ve been the tough ones to get to shoot.
 
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Jsp556 said:
Odd. Out of all the Grendel builds I’ve done, I’ve only given up on 2 barrels. Most have been extremely easy to find a load that shoots moa or better. I’ve had the exact opposite experience with 6ARC. They’ve been the tough ones to get to shoot.
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I actually have the opposite experience lol it usually takes me awhile to be satisfied with Grendel but my Arcs have always gotten off the ground great.

I do plan on taking another run at it today. I plan on retorquing the barrel nut to around 40 (I remember hearing them say they like 75 which sounds high but who am I to disagree), single feed, and take off the muzzle device. I worry that it’s cranked on and trumpeting the end of the barrel given the 1/2X28 threads on a 6.5mm hole.

I really hate to give up on it and if I can’t get it to run it really sours me on Craddock and I hate that because they’ve been great for a lot of my rifles. But I guess that should depend on how they take care of it too.
 
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TonyTheTiger said:
Does it really have 1/2x28 threads? That seems pretty questionable on a .264 bore.
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Yes, and, yes lol

I’ve actually got another Grendel like that. It was a rethread job I inherited from a guy. I was leery given the circumstances but rolled the dice. Turned out great. But I was definitely leery of overtorquing and went gently snug using rocksett for the grip. Seems pretty easy to pinch the muzzle if you did a whole lot more.
 
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Did they update that? I see the mod2 on their website lists 5/8 threads.
I would think Craddock would know better. Not just the thin muzzle, but the safety aspect of most 1/2x28 muzzle devices having a bore diameter intended for .224 bullets.
 
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TonyTheTiger said:
Did they update that? I see the mod2 on their website lists 5/8 threads.
I would think Craddock would know better. Not just the thin muzzle, but the safety aspect of most 1/2x28 muzzle devices having a bore diameter intended for .224 bullets.
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From memory the lightweight 13.9 was 5/8, only the UL was 1/2. And yeah that occurred to me too. Outside the torque thing I’d worry buyers would blow up muzzle devices. A lot of muzzle devices are oversized but it only takes a few and people are blowing up their stuff
 
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