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HOME DEFENSE: Handgun versus Small Frame AR
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100% fuck pistols if you can get to a rifle.After being shot in the house through both my knees by a 9mm, I prefer 5.56 for home defense.
9mm will ventilate you, but you might not even feel it and can still fight/kill. I didn’t even go into shock and I had 4 drinking fountain faucets bleeding like a cartoon from my legs/knees.
You will probably know when you’re hit with 5.56.
I like #1 Buck, Federal Flite Control reduced recoil but I don't think they make it anymore. Got 5 in the Shockwave.
After being shot in the house through both my knees by a 9mm, I prefer 5.56 for home defense.
9mm will ventilate you, but you might not even feel it and can still fight/kill. I didn’t even go into shock and I had 4 drinking fountain faucets bleeding like a cartoon from my legs/knees.
You will probably know when you’re hit with 5.56.
Oooof.. both knees? Ouch. Share more ? If not no worries.
I'm in komifornia so on my nightstand is a kukri with 13 inch blade (thanks @sirhrmechanic ) . Plan is to hack my way to the garage, unlock it, unlock the safe, grab a pew pew, look for the key in the safe for the separate lock box that has the ammo in it,(fuck where is that fucking key), unlock the ammo storage, load the pew pew....shit I might be fucked.
The 200gr Maker Rex sure do wonder on deer and black bear. I would think they would quickly eliminate 2 legged varmints as well
I still think he deserves a promotion to SSGT or something like that, if he was in.After being shot in the house through both my knees by a 9mm, I prefer 5.56 for home defense.
9mm will ventilate you, but you might not even feel it and can still fight/kill. I didn’t even go into shock and I had 4 drinking fountain faucets bleeding like a cartoon from my legs/knees.
You will probably know when you’re hit with 5.56.
But I read is autobiography. Not really into that and it really was self defense.
Anyway, to the question at hand.
Most ready and mobile is my 9 mm with the 17 rd mag, one in the pipe. I have the booger picker safety.
The most accurate, of course, would be the 5.56 because you have three points of contact. Trigger hand on the grip, butt on the shoulder, off-hand on the handguard. That's why even grandma can do great with a 5.56.
Shotties are nice, to0, but perhaps a bit awkward in tight spaces. Mine is a Mossberg 590A1 SPX and it holds 8 of the 2.75" shells in the tube and one in the chamber. And it came with a bayonette, as well. Smooth bore, it does well with slugs, which make giant holes that do not stop bleeding.
But for now, my S&W M&P M2.0 in 9 mm with the 4.25 barrel and the 17 rd mag is the best bet. Agile, easy to handle, accurate for what I need from it. Never far from me, usually on my person in an OSB holster under a large shirt, sweater, or jacket.
Four or five points of contact shooting hand, support hand, shoulder, cheek, tensioned sling.
Yeah, I was trying to keep it short for comedic effect!
That and the triangular holes thing is a myth.
The linked audio slideshow is sooo good though.
Especially if you have been taking those blue pills,...you can knock them down with your instant, extra stiff, giant erection.
All the while screaming,
"This my rifle, this is my gun!" They definitely won't be expecting that!
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Not a shotty guy, but that one is neat. Isn’t there a full auto version of this thing as well?
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Great. Now I’m anticipating seeing one of those any day now on Reddit with an unironic 8-40 ZCO on it.Here’s one for you shotgun people
With a dude holding it in a white camo bottom and regular camo top.
Testing shows the exact opposite when the rifle is loaded with expanding bullets regardless of what the shotgun is loaded with
Since I value shot placement more than caliber my hit percentage is 100% thus I don’t have to worry about overpenetration.
I am also a liar.
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I am also a liar.
-Stan
That’s what I tell the bitches
I'll take a handgun. Some of you might have seen me shoot one.
In pink shorts, at that.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Any modern tipped or OTM projectile that can be loaded at magazine length will penetrate less than any 12 gauge slug or 00 buck. Birdshot shouldn't even be in the conversation. #4 buck is on par with the 75-77 gr AR projectiles.
I'm not worried at all about over penetration. Of course, it's just the old gal and this old man and we live 7 miles from town. Our nearest neighbor is about a quarter mile away, the next one is about 2 miles. If I can shoot through a wall Terminator style, all the better.
77 TMK. Penetration is similar to the SMK but larger wound cavity. It's deadly and has greater reach due to the tip initiating expansion at a lower velocity.
They look well made. Haven't shot them yet. They've been on the list to try.
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Damn, That sounds like one hell of a story.After being shot in the house through both my knees by a 9mm, I prefer 5.56 for home defense.
9mm will ventilate you, but you might not even feel it and can still fight/kill. I didn’t even go into shock and I had 4 drinking fountain faucets bleeding like a cartoon from my legs/knees.
You will probably know when you’re hit with 5.56.
I'm just banging steel. They probably are 27% better then the smk for damage.
How do they do at 700? They've been on my list. Just been shooting alot of other stuff lately.
It's actually an AR10 lower, so you could say it is an AR if you like.
But $5k in shotgun world where they take shotguns seriously is pretty cheap.
If I could only have one rd for overall use in an AR, that would be it.
All the intruder has to do is kick ya in the nuts and grab your $5000 shotgun and sell it for half price...a very profitable night for the street thug.
One can do the same with a used Mossberg, I got mine for free, but needed a little work, and shoots 1.5" mini shells to 3" magnums.
Heavy subs will thunk right through several walls. Just something to think about.
My 2 cents.
556 with light/medium weight expanding bullets penetrates walls the least. Almost all handgun rounds and most subsonic rifle rounds will carry through walls much more easily.
Federal or Hornady 5.56 with 40gr or 50gr VMAX/Ballistic Tip type projos will penetrate the least number of walls. They also have enough velocity out of SBR/Pistol length barrels to still get proper terminal ballistics.
They also have a good track record of not exiting even skinny crackheads.
Some advocate choosing a handgun because it only requires one hand which would allow you to stay on the phone with 911.
I personally think that is just a good way to have the 911 center get a really good audio recording of you dying.
I would vote for the 223/556 with a honkin white light.
A handgun should only be used to get you to the rifle if necessary.....
556 with light/medium weight expanding bullets penetrates walls the least. Almost all handgun rounds and most subsonic rifle rounds will carry through walls much more easily.
Federal or Hornady 5.56 with 40gr or 50gr VMAX/Ballistic Tip type projos will penetrate the least number of walls. They also have enough velocity out of SBR/Pistol length barrels to still get proper terminal ballistics.
They also have a good track record of not exiting even skinny crackheads.
Some advocate choosing a handgun because it only requires one hand which would allow you to stay on the phone with 911.
I personally think that is just a good way to have the 911 center get a really good audio recording of you dying.
I would vote for the 223/556 with a honkin white light.
A handgun should only be used to get you to the rifle if necessary.....
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I’m a non-mil non-LEO dumbass. We’ve talked about the ballistics. The practical. The tactical. The mean. The lo-down dirty greasy.
But how about bringing it up to another level? Which level would that be, you say?
The higher class level.
Here, one doesn’t do the dirty work oneself, god no, man! That’s why beasts were put on this earth of ours.
At first glass break, simply ring Jeeves to release the four, the six, the eight, hell, the twenty hounds! No half measures! Full-steam ahead!
If the ruffians are already in the house at that point, the dog-frenzy downstairs will give you lots of cushion. Take your time getting dressed in your finest poor smoking jacket, like Thurston Howell. Padded slippers are ok, as is your ratty pipe you once received from the Raj while on expedition.
After all, there won’t be much left downstairs, but you don’t want to bloody the good stuff. What would the Queen think, after all?
Once the screams start subsiding, glide down the stairs and have the help fix you a G&T. See if the dogs need a dessert
Do place the French M 1822 bis in a pocket.
What’s that? For self-protection? Heavens no. It’s to put whomever out of their misery, lad.
Now if it’s the ATF you might be stuffed, old boy.
But how about bringing it up to another level? Which level would that be, you say?
The higher class level.
Here, one doesn’t do the dirty work oneself, god no, man! That’s why beasts were put on this earth of ours.
At first glass break, simply ring Jeeves to release the four, the six, the eight, hell, the twenty hounds! No half measures! Full-steam ahead!
If the ruffians are already in the house at that point, the dog-frenzy downstairs will give you lots of cushion. Take your time getting dressed in your finest poor smoking jacket, like Thurston Howell. Padded slippers are ok, as is your ratty pipe you once received from the Raj while on expedition.
After all, there won’t be much left downstairs, but you don’t want to bloody the good stuff. What would the Queen think, after all?
Once the screams start subsiding, glide down the stairs and have the help fix you a G&T. See if the dogs need a dessert
Do place the French M 1822 bis in a pocket.
What’s that? For self-protection? Heavens no. It’s to put whomever out of their misery, lad.
Now if it’s the ATF you might be stuffed, old boy.
Good heavens. A Yale man!I’m a non-mil non-LEO dumbass. We’ve talked about the ballistics. The practical. The tactical. The mean. The lo-down dirty greasy.
But how about bringing it up to another level? Which level would that be, you say?
The higher class level.
Here, one doesn’t do the dirty work oneself, god no, man! That’s why beasts were put on this earth of ours.
At first glass break, simply ring Jeeves to release the four, the six, the eight, hell, the twenty hounds! No half measures! Full-steam ahead!
If the ruffians are already in the house at that point, the dog-frenzy downstairs will give you lots of cushion. Take your time getting dressed in your finest poor smoking jacket, like Thurston Howell. Padded slippers are ok, as is your ratty pipe you once received from the Raj while on expedition.
After all, there won’t be much left downstairs, but you don’t want to bloody the good stuff. What would the Queen think, after all?
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Once the screams start subsiding, glide down the stairs and have the help fix you a G&T. See if the dogs need a dessert
Do place the French M 1822 bis in a pocket.
What’s that? For self-protection? Heavens no. It’s to put whomever out of their misery, lad.
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Now if it’s the ATF you might be stuffed, old boy.
Harrumph. Taking the piss, eh? Double-check your sources and pass the marmalade!
A bunch a anti-hunting strivers, those Yalies are.
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