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Sidearms & Scatterguns If you had $2000 to spend for a range pistol…

#51
bwp86 said:
I’m looking to pick up a fun range pistol in 9mm. My plan is to spend around $2,000 on it. I’m ok buying used. Do I look at the CZ Shadow, Staccato P, or something different?
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Allow me to help.

Buy a Glock 47 or 45. Replace the plastic sites with whatever you can get a good deal on at primary arms or amazon. Install a different trigger shoe, I like tacticaltrigger.com and apex. Install a minus disconnector. If you want to go hog wild, buy the Radian Ramjet system and install that. Buy $800 of ammo and spend $200 on lessons.

Alternate Choice #1 - Buy the compensated Walther PDP.
Alternate Choice #2 - Buy the compensated S&W M&P.
Alternate Choice #3 - Buy the HK ( USP, P30, VP9A1).

Spend the extra 1k on lessons and ammo.
 
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5” 9mm 1911

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bwp86 said:
Honestly, I can go up a bit on it, say $3,000 max. I don’t really have a strict limit. I try to find the best value and not pay a lot for the diminishing returns
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My first MPA DS9 was 2500 as a demo, got another one on the way for 3000 new. If you buy a PRS membership to get the discount, you could get a brand new Hybrid for under 2800 shipped and transferred. In my experience this will get you a more reliable, easier to work on gun than a S2 or DWX. It’s also way better shooting and more durable than the platypus (cerakoted aluminum is a joke). The downside, of course, is the cost of mags.
 
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mpa is a very nice handgun. once i figured out it doesn't like long ammo, and it HATES STI mags, it's been no excuses 100% for two-something years now at various 2 gun and similar matches. expensive mbx mags work and i've used atlas mags on a couple of stages recently without issue. and some of the best customer service i've experienced.

vs the staccato p, you're getting a much better trigger and a nicer finish, all at a higher price of course. and actually a big improvement, for me, is the aggressive metal grip on the mpa, no grip goo or anything needed in the middle of summer.
 
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bwp86 said:
Honestly, I can go up a bit on it, say $3,000 max. I don’t really have a strict limit. I try to find the best value and not pay a lot for the diminishing returns
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Taking advantage of that statement... and recognizing this suggestion adds a bit more--maybe too much more--a Vudoo Gunworks Priest would be cool. Mimicking my early thought (which is really a personal plan that I'm projecting), a 5" RDS only with factory ports would be pretty cool.
 
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kthomas said:
What about something like a custom hi power, such as a Novak?
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I had one for years and did well with it locally and won matches. Even though it was minor power factor, because of the weight on the rear of the slide, it rocked "up" quite a bit and no one at the time could get the trigger as light as I prefer. But it has my favorite grip feel yet for a pistol.
That being said I always wanted a custom one with a longer front heavy slide and dust cover, something I haven't seen yet.

I was faster with my G22 40S&W which replaced my HP.

Faster still with the PARA custom.

Faster still with a DR Middlebrooks custom 2011 in 38 Super which I won B stock with at the American Handgunner World Shootoff.

That is all ancient history.

I have a Edge in 40 now that I shoot light loads in/155's at 850 fps. It's the opposite in recoil characteristics compared to the old HP.
Lately finding myself wanting a lighter pistol with a smaller grip. Man this is a heavy gun with 21 rounds of ammo in mag.
 
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stefan73 said:
You could get a nice Shadow 2 from CZ Custom for around that price or a CZ Custom SP01 for around $1800sh. Which leaves some money in the piggy for mags and mag extensions, magwell and some other grips if you want.
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CZ Custom does good work.
They are great if you want something different than the normal stuff.
I have one of theirs and it was nice (sold a second one of theirs to fund a CGW Shadow 2)

For a standard production type CZ, I personally prefer how the Cajun Gun Works stuff comes out.

Both are great options that you'll enjoy
 
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Wasn't even in the market for a new pistol, read this thread, now browsing CZ Shadow 2s at Cajun and my wallet looks nervous as I'm thinking it would be nice to have both the compact and full size versions...

Not even sure why I need them when I have 1 STI, 1 limcat, and 2x SVI that I don't even shoot all that often, but I guess I want a more comp oriented 9mm with an optic. The limcat is an open blaster, the STI and 1 SVI are .40 limited, while the second SVI is in 45; odd caliber to build a 2011 in, but it was a ridiculously good deal I couldn't pass up. I've been thinking about converting it to 9mm (the slide has the changeable breech face) and machining the slide for an optic, but it might be cheaper just to buy a Shadow 2 OR.

You are all bad influences and I will continue to read the suggestions in this thread, lol
 
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Kiba said:
Wasn't even in the market for a new pistol, read this thread, now browsing CZ Shadow 2s at Cajun and my wallet looks nervous as I'm thinking it would be nice to have both the compact and full size versions...

Not even sure why I need them when I have 1 STI, 1 limcat, and 2x SVI that I don't even shoot all that often, but I guess I want a more comp oriented 9mm with an optic. The limcat is an open blaster, the STI and 1 SVI are .40 limited, while the second SVI is in 45; odd caliber to build a 2011 in, but it was a ridiculously good deal I couldn't pass up. I've been thinking about converting it to 9mm (the slide has the changeable breech face) and machining the slide for an optic, but it might be cheaper just to buy a Shadow 2 OR.

You are all bad influences and I will continue to read the suggestions in this thread, lol
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Just trade the SVI straight across with my Shadow2 and your wallet will be good:D:D
 
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As with the other thread.

I'd buy one of these once available and send it to a gunsmith for a trigger and action job, trigger shoe and size of my choice, I like single sided safety, so that would get added. You could also go with a metal grip if you wanted, Atlas, Cheely and so on.
It's $1k to start, meaning there's a big budget left to have a smith take off any potential rough edges and have her smooth as snot.

You'd have a staccato XC for $2k, or if you want a metal grip, it'd be $2500 total or thereabouts.

Again, the MSRP on this thing is $1069, it's ridiculous. And, if you want absolutely stupid flat... see about having it ported as well. 5" sized gun has plenty of guide rod and spring options to make it reliable.

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Kiba said:
Wasn't even in the market for a new pistol, read this thread, now browsing CZ Shadow 2s at Cajun and my wallet looks nervous as I'm thinking it would be nice to have both the compact and full size versions...

Not even sure why I need them when I have 1 STI, 1 limcat, and 2x SVI that I don't even shoot all that often, but I guess I want a more comp oriented 9mm with an optic. The limcat is an open blaster, the STI and 1 SVI are .40 limited, while the second SVI is in 45; odd caliber to build a 2011 in, but it was a ridiculously good deal I couldn't pass up. I've been thinking about converting it to 9mm (the slide has the changeable breech face) and machining the slide for an optic, but it might be cheaper just to buy a Shadow 2 OR.

You are all bad influences and I will continue to read the suggestions in this thread, lol
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But now you could have something for Prod or CO. Am I helping?

And it's complimentary to the 2011s. I have Staccatto's, Atlas's, and custom 2011's too, but my CZ's get shot way more often and are more reliable
 
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Im honestly surprised there has been 0 feedback on skinny jeans or skinny chinos whatever and nut hugger leggings in those videos. My wife carries with an Egnima, whats you're system? Lmao I applogise in advance, but my response to the upcoming meltdown is, but Good Lord, do they make Crye Skinny, Super Stealth, Extra Tactical, I Need To Show All My Range Buddies My Balls, Interior and Exterior Knee Pad (for twice the kneeling comfort) Pants?
 
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Mbaysinger89 said:
Im honestly surprised there has been 0 feedback on skinny jeans or skinny chinos whatever and nut hugger leggings in those videos. My wife carries with an Egnima, whats you're system? Lmao I applogise in advance, but my response to the upcoming meltdown is, but Good Lord, do they make Crye Skinny, Super Stealth, Extra Tactical, I Need To Show All My Range Buddies My Balls, Interior and Exterior Knee Pad (for twice the kneeling comfort) Pants?
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Is your manhood threatened? It sure sounds like it.
 
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Kiba said:
Not even sure why I need them when I have 1 STI, 1 limcat, and 2x SVI that I don't even shoot all that often, but I guess I want a more comp oriented 9mm with an optic. The limcat is an open blaster, the STI and 1 SVI are .40 limited, while the second SVI is in 45; odd caliber to build a 2011 in, but it was a ridiculously good deal I couldn't pass up. I've been thinking about converting it to 9mm (the slide has the changeable breech face) and machining the slide for an optic, but it might be cheaper just to buy a Shadow 2 OR.
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have the .40 milled for a dot and shoot minor. you lose a little capacity but 40 minor is very soft shooting. of course, a new blaster is always the correct answer...
 
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308pirate said:
Yea your manhood is def threatened
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Just for a second your tactics did me in. It was quite the conundrum watching something move like Shakira, in leggings, shooting pistol like that just to realise it was an old dude that knew the differnce between tolerance and clearance doing a booty shake for gun buddies.

All BS aside, Id like to know how you holster a pistol in leggings, my woman really doesnt like the Engima digging into the lady pocket.
 
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Mbaysinger89 said:
Im honestly surprised there has been 0 feedback on skinny jeans or skinny chinos whatever and nut hugger leggings in those videos. My wife carries with an Egnima, whats you're system? Lmao I applogise in advance, but my response to the upcoming meltdown is, but Good Lord, do they make Crye Skinny, Super Stealth, Extra Tactical, I Need To Show All My Range Buddies My Balls, Interior and Exterior Knee Pad (for twice the kneeling comfort) Pants?
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I found the leggings slightly jarring, but I’m not gonna shit on someone for not choosing to hide behind the anonymity of an Internet forum. Most of the people here would never show their face, let alone a video of them shooting that others could judge.
 
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HaydenLane said:
I found the leggings slightly jarring, but I’m not gonna shit on someone for not choosing to hide behind the anonymity of an Internet forum. Most of the people here would never show their face, let alone a video of them shooting that others could judge.
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I wasn't shitting on him, just takin a fun poke. Definatley sure he is aware. Its all in good fun, stop taking shit so serious. Lifes only so long, and @308pirate doesn't offer many chances to take a jab.
 
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#82
davsco said:
have the .40 milled for a dot and shoot minor. you lose a little capacity but 40 minor is very soft shooting. of course, a new blaster is always the correct answer...
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Thought about doing that to my .40 STI since my .40 SVI is a sight tracker and should probably stick with irons on it.

Might convert the 45 SVI to 9mm optic though, because a 2011 in 45 is kind of an oddball gun without a purpose IMO other than being the closest thing I own to a classic 1911 single stack 45. It's pretty much useless for match work because of the caliber, but it's very accurate and shoots very soft. It's never something I would have ordered new from SVI but I couldn't pass up a near-new SVI at a crazy deal just because it was in .45. I also didn't have to mess with tuning the .45 mags at all, unlike my .40 and .38 Supercomp mags...

I'm liking the idea of keeping all the 2011s as is and taking the "new blaster" route and adding a Cajun worked Shadow 2 OR to the safe.

What's the opinion on the barrel bushings for the CZs, worth it?

Walther PDP SF is also interesting since it was mentioned, but damn if it doesn't look like Walther hired the designer from Hi Point, only he now has a few more years of experience under his belt and has refined the styling a bit and managed to make a slide that's not quite as tall. The PDP is just so... tall and blocky. I'm sure it shoots great but the Shadow 2 is much easier on my eyes. I'm a function over form guy, but the Walther almost makes me reconsider that position.

Apologies to the OP for the sidetrack. I'd make a recommendation myself, but now I'm here to see what gets recommended to the OP as I suddenly find myself in the same market, lol
 
#84
I got busy with life and didnt post fast enough and was gonna bust on our 50’s something metrosexual pistolero dynamo!!


I get it, fashion is a thing, and he prolly gets lots of feedback from all the 2011 shooters on how good he looks.

But!! Let there be no mistake at all, he dont look anywhere near as good or move like Shakira.
I dont listen to pop music and remember the first time my older brother showed me her Hips Dont Lie music vid.

Manhood not threatened.
Promise

Do wish I could run a handgun like the Pirate though!
 
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308pirate said:
The steel PDP is an underrated gem
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So, a few years ago while on my “pistol exploration vision quest” on a whim I bought a Q5 Match SF Pro. I don’t even like pistols!
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Now, I’m not coming at this as anything but a noob curious at what an expert thinks. What’s the diff between that and a SF PDP? (Edit: mainly the grip?)

I sold it for a big loss as apparently no one around here likes them. It was awesome, but I just didn’t need it.
 
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carbonbased said:
I sold it for a big loss as apparently no one around here likes them. It was awesome, but I just didn’t need it.
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It's a pretty niche pistol that not many folks know about and isn't widely trumpeted by the usual influencers.
It's also not rare or unique or out of production so it's not some special thing collectors want.
So yes, you'll take a bit of a loss on it when you sell it.

I only have the Steel Frame Match PDP version so I wouldn't be able to directly compare which is better.
The PDP version is "newer" and is all square type.

Also just note that Walther much like other companies offers "special people" pricing and many here might be eligible for one of the various programs they offer for discounts, so many potential buyers might compare it to what they could get a special deal on one for.
 
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bwp86 said:
Honestly, I can go up a bit on it, say $3,000 max. I don’t really have a strict limit. I try to find the best value and not pay a lot for the diminishing returns
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Extreme guns on gunbroker has the mpa ds9 hybrid for $3,100 now that your budget allows it this is the move. After having my heart set on a xc I was given advice from a few very serious pistol shooting friends to go with the ds9. Could be the move for you also.
 
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W54/XM-388 said:
It's a pretty niche pistol that not many folks know about and isn't widely trumpeted by the usual influencers.
It's also not rare or unique or out of production so it's not some special thing collectors want.
So yes, you'll take a bit of a loss on it when you sell it.

I only have the Steel Frame Match PDP version so I wouldn't be able to directly compare which is better.
The PDP version is "newer" and is all square type.

Also just note that Walther much like other companies offers "special people" pricing and many here might be eligible for one of the various programs they offer for discounts, so many potential buyers might compare it to what they could get a special deal on one for.
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Makes sense. It was the most beautifully machined thing. Looked like it was from the future. Had a threaded barrel for it too lol. Kinda wished I had kept it, but just for the industrial design, really. Anyway, sorry for the interruption.

Nice shooting @308pirate. Try some vintage zebra-stripe Zubaz next time to further psyche out your competitors. Not the modern rendition…that’s trying too hard. Sweaty unwashed 1980’s vintage is where it’s at.

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Pair with too-short mesh top & mullet for god-boss level technique.
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But I am serious, nice shooting and moving. Even I can tell you’re very efficient.
 
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carbonbased said:
So, a few years ago while on my “pistol exploration vision quest” on a whim I bought a Q5 Match SF Pro. I don’t even like pistols!
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Now, I’m not coming at this as anything but a noob curious at what an expert thinks. What’s the diff between that and a SF PDP? (Edit: mainly the grip?)

I sold it for a big loss as apparently no one around here likes them. It was awesome, but I just didn’t need it.
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They are very similar and I believe some internals are the same but the main differences are external as you noticed
 
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carbonbased said:
Makes sense. It was the most beautifully machined thing. Looked like it was from the future. Had a threaded barrel for it too lol. Kinda wished I had kept it, but just for the industrial design, really. Anyway, sorry for the interruption.

Nice shooting @308pirate. Try some vintage zebra-stripe Zubaz next time to further psyche out your competitors. Not the modern rendition…that’s trying too hard. Sweaty unwashed 1980’s vintage is where it’s at.

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Pair with too-short mesh top & mullet for god-boss level technique.
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But I am serious, nice shooting and moving. Even I can tell you’re very efficient.
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With Natty Light after match refreshment
 
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carbonbased said:
Makes sense. It was the most beautifully machined thing. Looked like it was from the future. Had a threaded barrel for it too lol. Kinda wished I had kept it, but just for the industrial design, really.
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Aesthetically the one you had was nicer than the newer version.
The newer one has some refinements and is probably better, but doesn't quite look as elegant.
 
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