Well the expert advice from the key board veterans seems to vacillate from an M-79 single shot 40 MM grenade launcher to a silenced 22 short AR with multi mags ........some where evolution has made my 357 magnum revolver obsolete on dropping hoodrats and my 6 K plus property taxes are for a crib in the projects . Shocking no one is pushing a 6 mm creep less whatever man bun gun .
HOME DEFENSE: Handgun versus Small Frame AR
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i just like the idea of having a belt than I can secure around my waste with all my gear on my waste and i can still use both of my hands and I can always have my belt ready to go. It makes a lot of sense for me from a practicality standpoint. I can keep the 2011 in the safe during the day and use my belt setup for it before I go to bed or I can use the belt setup I have for my g19 conceal carry and just switch from my conceal carry holster to the belt and it has a lot of practicality in that I am pretty much always prepared. I just don't like having a rifle out during the day in case a worker or a technician needed to be in the house during the day.
The reality is I would rather have better situational awareness than an optimized weapon. If it gets that out of hand, "use whatever weapon you can get your hands on that goes bang when you want it to." This stuff doesn't happen when people are planning for it.
If I had to pick it would be a suppressed 5.56 SBR with some type of ammo that had adequate but not too much penetration. It is the easiest to maneuver, shoot well, and have good terminal effects.
Shooting unsuppressed AR's in a CQB setting sucks, even if a full 16" barrel. More importantly, the flash bang of each round going off WILL cause permanent hearing damage that is likely to plague you the rest of your life, and is extremely disorienting for that essential situational awareness. Most of us don't train for CQB on a daily basis and it will be hard enough trying not to shoot our loved ones under extreme duress.
If I had to pick it would be a suppressed 5.56 SBR with some type of ammo that had adequate but not too much penetration. It is the easiest to maneuver, shoot well, and have good terminal effects.
Shooting unsuppressed AR's in a CQB setting sucks, even if a full 16" barrel. More importantly, the flash bang of each round going off WILL cause permanent hearing damage that is likely to plague you the rest of your life, and is extremely disorienting for that essential situational awareness. Most of us don't train for CQB on a daily basis and it will be hard enough trying not to shoot our loved ones under extreme duress.
Encouragement for some - build a few interior and exterior wall sections and space 'em out to represent typical room distances....shoot them and test out your thoughts / preferred ammo.....the exercise will give a practical understanding to the limitations on some of the commonly attributed penetration characteristics of various rounds.
I assume any Mikes on my part from any caliber I would pick up will travel through at least one wall, and exterior glass means it goes free range.
I assume any Mikes on my part from any caliber I would pick up will travel through at least one wall, and exterior glass means it goes free range.
I can neither confirm nor deny that I know what a Glock 19 sounds like when fired in my basement without hearing protection.
Nor can I confirm nor deny that I have seen how a 147 grain Speer Gold Dot penetrates drywall and reacts to poured concrete.
Okay, now that y'all convinced me to go to 5.56/223, this is what I have readily available.
75gr Hornady Black SBR Interlock
64gr Nosler Bonded Solid Based
55gr, 62gr and 75gr Speer Gold Dot
What would you choose?
75gr Hornady Black SBR Interlock
64gr Nosler Bonded Solid Based
55gr, 62gr and 75gr Speer Gold Dot
What would you choose?
I have astigmatism and I had cataract surgery in both eyes, I chose distance lenses. I cannot use irons, I have a couple of Primary Arms prism sites with etched reticles, a 1x on the 9mm AR and a 5x on a 16" 5.56 AR, any reason not to chose a 1x for the 5.56 HD rifle? Better choices with etched reticles? 1x LPVO?
For HD only a 1X something (reflex or prism) is perfect.
Glock 19 w/ light in the pistol safe next to the bed. Weapon light even has one of those projection green lasers so the wife doesn't have to worry about getting sight picture through a red dot. Speer Gold Dot 124gr defensive ammo.
Also readily accessible is a suppressed 300 blackout pistol with rail mounted light and a 1x open reflex sight. Supersonic Nosler 110 Varmageddons.... excellent expansion and not too much penetration.
Also readily accessible is a suppressed 300 blackout pistol with rail mounted light and a 1x open reflex sight. Supersonic Nosler 110 Varmageddons.... excellent expansion and not too much penetration.
Yeah. I also discourage people from believing anything the FBI offers as a statistic.
Average of 2-3 shots per engagement?
I’d still want as a minimum 10X that.
Average of 2-3 shots per engagement?
I’d still want as a minimum 10X that.
You should never ever try to get into a fair gunfight. You should maintain every advantage possible in your favor. The bad guy already chose the date and time—probably in the middle of the night while you’re sleeping. There may be multiple of them, they may have body armor, they may have long guns, they may have Glocks with da switch. A rifle with a 30rd mag, a red dot, a light, and in my opinion, a suppressor, is your best bet. Is the heavily armed bandit crew likely? Nope. But neither is having a home invasion in the first place. Use a rifle unless you’re absolutely unable to—don’t just rely on “muh six gun”.
The only reason to fight with a handgun is because you got caught without your rifle.
Listen to the trauma surgeon podcast from Rifles only. AR/AK/Whatever. Use a rifle. Cheat like hell.
Listen to the trauma surgeon podcast from Rifles only. AR/AK/Whatever. Use a rifle. Cheat like hell.
I don't youtube did it to me. It is just the guys caught on Ring shooting through my front door at 2 am
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You live in Houston, isn’t that normal behavior round them parts?
There were four all together, one dead and two in jail.
Ironically, she and her husband came into our gun store/range for training last fall. He got his concealed, she just had a basic 30 minute class. We emailed him and offered them both a free lesson.
The police told me that they met in lockup. There was a low income apartment complex a couple of miles from our neighborhood. One of the four had his girlfriend there. When they arrested her they recovered stolen items from multiple robberies. The police think that one of them returned to their home and is no longer in country.
The 64 bsb is great. The speers are great. I'm personally a fan of heavier bullets so I'd lean 62-75.
77 Tmk is what I like.
are those trajectory numbers rightThe 64 bsb is great. The speers are great. I'm personally a fan of heavier bullets so I'd lean 62-75.
77 Tmk is what I like.
Not when you have to shoot the guilty 5x with an smk to kill than fetus 1 x with tmkBut 5x deader than dead is still dead
Home defense.... G17 on bedside. Livingroom sofa foot table has a 10.5" AR in it. Usually my ccw 43x is on top or on kitchen counter. Home office has "wall art" displays. When there was debate in the media about making laws that you have to keep your firearms locked up, I decided to display them on the wall.
That's very generous of you to give the home intruder a fighting chance. Would be a shame to blast an unarmed burglar.
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