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#22,351
Seeing the blue and red AT-Xs (I like the new colors even though AXSA's are still master race for short actions) has made me wonder why they have never done a "British Racing Green" version. Seems like an oversight to me. (I know, I know . . . they need to focus on making the rifles and parts available, and not worry about new colo(u)rs. I'm just sayin' . . .)

Aforementioned Master Race:


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Double post but pic to make up for it.

Shot the 16.5" 6.5creed, 20" 308 and 26" 6x47L barrels. Confirmed my 6x47 after getting a nasty carbon ring out, groups could be higher, bipod mounting knob loosened up and i didn't realize until after shooting that barrel. The 6.5 and 308 i was doing some preliminary load testing.

Liking the 40.5 and 40.8 on the 6.5c with 140eldm. 40.8 with the 140smk for that load. 308 I'm thinking a nice flat spot at 40.6 and 40.9, plenty of wiggle room. Will rest those more next round.

6x47 is good enough for me. as mentioned with a tight bipod done of those groups should be a bit better. The 10rd without the "flyer" isn't shabby.

Bonus: took the mk12 mod 0 out to try some AAC 77 ammo. For how cheap it is it shoots pretty decent. 1.16" complete 10rd group or 0.84 pulling the 2 oddballs .

Loving the AT more every time I take it out.

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RedBreast21 said:
Seeing the blue and red AT-Xs (I like the new colors even though AXSA's are still master race for short actions) has made me wonder why they have never done a "British Racing Green" version. Seems like an oversight to me. (I know, I know . . . they need to focus on making the rifles and parts available, and not worry about new colo(u)rs. I'm just sayin' . . .)

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They did make a British racing green version.

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You may say this is not British racing green, but try to outrun it.
 
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More sustained evidence of a strong legacy AICS thumbhole market that gets ignored by AI.....

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36 bids and 70 watchers as of the time of this post....enough said.

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MODS, if this is out of line, please notify and I will delete. Also if there is a better place, I will gladly move.

I am curious. On an email site that sends me stuff, auctions, featuring some really nice and antique firearms, There is an AI Arctic Warfare, made in 2003 with a Schmidt and Bender scope, current bid is $7000. Is this out of line? Not selling or buying, just curious.

I copied a picture. Again not in anyway associated with the sale just wondering about the prices
 

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#22,361
Depends on who you ask really. Some idiots think their AWs are worth over 8-9k just the rifle alone. For that kind of money, just spend a little extra and get a ASR. They weren't even that much new and they have less features then the new ones. But for the whole package 7k right now isn't horrible depending on what 5-25 is on it.
 
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Dead Eye Dick said:
MODS, if this is out of line, please notify and I will delete. Also if there is a better place, I will gladly move.

I am curious. On an email site that sends me stuff, auctions, featuring some really nice and antique firearms, There is an AI Arctic Warfare, made in 2003 with a Schmidt and Bender scope, current bid is $7000. Is this out of line? Not selling or buying, just curious.

I copied a picture. Again not in anyway associated with the sale just wondering about the prices
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Based on the AW market today, it's like you're getting the scope, bi-pod, and mount for free.
 
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AF_TT said:
Just a heads up I had fitment issues with that grayops AW in my AT-X and @sneakypayload had issues with it in his AT. Had to sand the shit out of it and they still don’t drop free.
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This is not what I wanted to hear 😔

Was this due to the mag well being too tight or was it mag catch? Wondering if the Vision Chassis will be any different..
 
#22,367
MK20 said:
That is normal for those barrels.
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* ... with the right ammo, which took me quite some time to find a factory load & round that would shoot this tightly.

1:12 twist is hard to work with. A lot of modern rounds made today will not stabilize properly with it; I currently have a small list of rounds that won't, with shot groups & shot data. And with Applied Ballistic's Stability Calculator now directly integrated into their application, it is easy to see what is and isn't stable. Many rounds are either too heavy, too long, or both, for 1:12 twist. Those that are stable, don't have the reach. Finding a round that can reach 850-1000 yards, and is stable enough to group tightly, has been a challenge. Seeing 168gr TMK perform so well, and that it works well in the Federal T308T factory load -- having great enough velocity of 2603fps from a 20" and 2653fps from a 24" to reach 1000 yards -- has been a real joy to find.

This said, I don't know if the round is spinning fast enough out past 700 yards to group as well as a 1:10 barrel, and I have yet to find out. No one has ever given me a good answer as to what is a solid factory round that that performs well from the AW/AT barrels in 1:12 twist in the US, and this is an affordable and effective round that does. This data was important to share.
 
#22,368
JayjayUK said:
This is not what I wanted to hear 😔

Was this due to the mag well being too tight or was it mag catch? Wondering if the Vision Chassis will be any different..
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So i did some investigation.. they don't work the Vision Chassis either.. I think it's because the feed lips on the Gray Ops mags are longer and extend further towards the rear of the mag as well as the mag catch height being slightly different.
 
#22,369
HKSniper11B said:
* ... with the right ammo, which took me quite some time to find a factory load & round that would shoot this tightly.

1:12 twist is hard to work with. A lot of modern rounds made today will not stabilize properly with it; I currently have a small list of rounds that won't, with shot groups & shot data. And with Applied Ballistic's Stability Calculator now directly integrated into their application, it is easy to see what is and isn't stable. Many rounds are either too heavy, too long, or both, for 1:12 twist. Those that are stable, don't have the reach. Finding a round that can reach 850-1000 yards, and is stable enough to group tightly, has been a challenge. Seeing 168gr TMK perform so well, and that it works well in the Federal T308T factory load -- having great enough velocity of 2603fps from a 20" and 2653fps from a 24" to reach 1000 yards -- has been a real joy to find.

This said, I don't know if the round is spinning fast enough out past 700 yards to group as well as a 1:10 barrel, and I have yet to find out. No one has ever given me a good answer as to what is a solid factory round that that performs well from the AW/AT barrels in 1:12 twist in the US, and this is an affordable and effective round that does. This data was important to share
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I run 178 ELDX handloads at 2605 in the exact same barrel. Only have shot to 800 as it spends its whole life shooting deer inside 600 yards. But it’s a hammer with those

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hafejd30 said:
I can check at some point. Was told it was 1:12 but haven’t ran a rod through it

It’s a LW 20” 7.62 X 51. Were there some 1:10 barrels in LW? I know the bartleins are 1:10

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There's a ridiculously good chance its 1:12. Especially as a 2014. But better to be sure. I ran a rod through mine and confirmed.
 
#22,373
HKSniper11B said:
There's a ridiculously good chance its 1:12. Especially as a 2014. But better to be sure. I ran a rod through mine and confirmed.
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I tried some FGMM in mine. Some left over LE ammo. Can’t remember if it was 168 or 175. But that shot very well. Previous owner said it shot excellent with a bunch of rounds from 155-175 that he tried. All hand loads though

On the plus side wife said my DE skins from MH and cheek piece thumb screws from SS arrived today so time for a wardrobe change

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* ... with the right ammo, which took me quite some time to find a factory load & round that would shoot this tightly.

1:12 twist is hard to work with. A lot of modern rounds made today will not stabilize properly with it; I currently have a small list of rounds that won't, with shot groups & shot data. And with Applied Ballistic's Stability Calculator now directly integrated into their application, it is easy to see what is and isn't stable. Many rounds are either too heavy, too long, or both, for 1:12 twist. Those that are stable, don't have the reach. Finding a round that can reach 850-1000 yards, and is stable enough to group tightly, has been a challenge. Seeing 168gr TMK perform so well, and that it works well in the Federal T308T factory load -- having great enough velocity of 2603fps from a 20" and 2653fps from a 24" to reach 1000 yards -- has been a real joy to find.

This said, I don't know if the round is spinning fast enough out past 700 yards to group as well as a 1:10 barrel, and I have yet to find out. No one has ever given me a good answer as to what is a solid factory round that that performs well from the AW/AT barrels in 1:12 twist in the US, and this is an affordable and effective round that does. This data was important to share.
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I've got a 16" 1:12 LW on the way.
Thanks for the confidence boost....
 
#22,381
beetroot said:
168gr SMKs is where I was going to start.
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I wouldn't unless you're staying 700(ish) and in.

"The 168gr SMK out of a .308 is usually considered a 7-800yd bullet tops due to the instability during transonic and then subsonic speeds. There have been shots made longer but overall reliability for making longer distance hits goes way down after that 7-800yd range when compared to other available bullets." I pulled that from this website, but the same.exact.thing was told to me (by someone who is not new) very, very early on.

My .308 barrel is 1/10, but 150 Scenars are amazing to 1,000, but don't handle the transonic range (past 1,000) nearly as well as 175SMKs, but the 175SMKs don't do *quite* as well to 1,000.

That said, I love the 175smk, and IIRC it was designed for the 1/12 barrels (check me on that, but that's what I seem to recall).


TL/DR: Avoid 168SMKs unless you're only shooting to 600. 175SMKs are great and so are 150 scenars.
 
#22,382
hafejd30 said:
I run 178 ELDX handloads at 2605 in the exact same barrel. Only have shot to 800 as it spends its whole life shooting deer inside 600 yards. But it’s a hammer with those

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Mine HATES the Hornady bullets.

I'm talking popping primers at starting loads hate for the Hornady bullets.

However, it loves the 175s at average velocity.
 
#22,383
RedBreast21 said:
I wouldn't unless you're staying 700(ish) and in.

"The 168gr SMK out of a .308 is usually considered a 7-800yd bullet tops due to the instability during transonic and then subsonic speeds. There have been shots made longer but overall reliability for making longer distance hits goes way down after that 7-800yd range when compared to other available bullets." I pulled that from this website, but the same.exact.thing was told to me (by someone who is not new) very, very early on.

My .308 barrel is 1/10, but 150 Scenars are amazing to 1,000, but don't handle the transonic range (past 1,000) nearly as well as 175SMKs, but the 175SMKs don't do *quite* as well to 1,000.

That said, I love the 175smk, and IIRC it was designed for the 1/12 barrels (check me on that, but that's what I seem to recall).


TL/DR: Avoid 168SMKs unless you're only shooting to 600. 175SMKs are great and so are 150 scenars.
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I’ve read this a lot about the 168 SMK, I figured for a 16” barrel I’m not likely to be shooting past 600yards very often, which should keep the 168 out of the transonic zone. I’m guessing a 1:12 twist 16” barrel will struggle to stabilise the sleeker bullets, but the 168 SMKs should be a safe starting point.

I managed to get a good deal some match ammo with the 168 SMKs (cheap enough that it’s cheaper than buying just the brass and projectiles). Not sure how much use this barrel will get, so figured a few hundred rounds of factory ammo will at least get me some fire formed brass should I want to start loading for it, and it’s cheaper than reloading (if buying new brass).
I’ve also bought some Hornady Match 168gr ELD-M ammo to test when I get my rifle/barrel, if the barrel shoots the factory ammo ok then I’ll consider reloading with that bullet, otherwise 175 SMK or 168 TMKs will be on the cards.

Nice to know that the 150 Scenars are performing, not many people seem to run the 150-155.5gr bullets.
I imagine they’ll go ok in my barrel, will consider them if none of the other options work.
 
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beetroot said:
168gr SMKs is where I was going to start.

Have you tried 168gr ELD-Ms?
I was hoping they would go ok, but good to know the TMKs work.
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It depends on the length of the round. Run everything through the Applied Ballistics app to check bullet stability factor. There is a very real relationship between bullet velocity, bullet length, and bullet spin.

The twist rate of a rifle matters. And as far as I understand so far, ELD-Ms will not stabilize well in a 1:12 twist barrel due to the round being too long.
 
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RedBreast21 said:
I wouldn't unless you're staying 700(ish) and in.

"The 168gr SMK out of a .308 is usually considered a 7-800yd bullet tops due to the instability during transonic and then subsonic speeds. There have been shots made longer but overall reliability for making longer distance hits goes way down after that 7-800yd range when compared to other available bullets." I pulled that from this website, but the same.exact.thing was told to me (by someone who is not new) very, very early on.

My .308 barrel is 1/10, but 150 Scenars are amazing to 1,000, but don't handle the transonic range (past 1,000) nearly as well as 175SMKs, but the 175SMKs don't do *quite* as well to 1,000.

That said, I love the 175smk, and IIRC it was designed for the 1/12 barrels (check me on that, but that's what I seem to recall).


TL/DR: Avoid 168SMKs unless you're only shooting to 600. 175SMKs are great and so are 150 scenars.
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This response is too generalized and doesn't account for how significant a 1:12 twist rotation will have a on a projectile.

Furthermore, 168gr TMKs and ELDs work just fine past 1000 yards.*

* At the right altitude, at the correct barometric pressure, with the right twist rate, bullet length, and velocity, which includes accounting for the barrel length.

Unless you go out and test with those factors in mind, it is speculation to say that a 168gr SMK won't reach past 600 yards, let alone 800 or 1000.
 
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RedBreast21 said:
I wouldn't unless you're staying 700(ish) and in.

"The 168gr SMK out of a .308 is usually considered a 7-800yd bullet tops due to the instability during transonic and then subsonic speeds. There have been shots made longer but overall reliability for making longer distance hits goes way down after that 7-800yd range when compared to other available bullets." I pulled that from this website, but the same.exact.thing was told to me (by someone who is not new) very, very early on.

My .308 barrel is 1/10, but 150 Scenars are amazing to 1,000, but don't handle the transonic range (past 1,000) nearly as well as 175SMKs, but the 175SMKs don't do *quite* as well to 1,000.

That said, I love the 175smk, and IIRC it was designed for the 1/12 barrels (check me on that, but that's what I seem to recall).


TL/DR: Avoid 168SMKs unless you're only shooting to 600. 175SMKs are great and so are 150 scenars.
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Try the Federal 168 grain Tactical Tip, it is so much better past 600 yards than the 168 grain SMK.
 
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HKSniper11B said:
This response is too generalized and doesn't account for how significant a 1:12 twist rotation will have a on a projectile.

Furthermore, 168gr TMKs and ELDs work just fine past 1000 yards.*

* At the right altitude, at the correct barometric pressure, with the right twist rate, bullet length, and velocity, which includes accounting for the barrel length.

Unless you go out and test with those factors in mind, it is speculation to say that a 168gr SMK won't reach past 600 yards, let alone 800 or 1000.
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A 1:12 twist will exacerbate, not minimize the problem with the 168SMK (vs 1:10 or faster).

By all means, go and test but there's a boatload of data out there (including the explanation of why the 168 has problems (i.e. the boat tail design), and the fact that Sierra themselves developed the 169SMK with a different boat tail design (and I believe the TMK as well, but I need to consult my book).


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To add some fuel to this fire i run 175 RDFs (1.33" long) through a 25" 1:12" barrel perfectly fine. In total I've probably run at least 1500-2000 of them through that barrel. Results have been 1/2 moa and often better. 3/5 on moa steel at 1000yrds the last match i ran it in. Wind is what got me on the 2 misses. RDFs are running 2700.
 
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FUNCTIONAL said:
To add some fuel to this fire i run 175 RDFs (1.33" long) through a 25" 1:12" barrel perfectly fine. In total I've probably run at least 1500-2000 of them through that barrel. Results have been 1/2 moa and often better. 3/5 on moa steel at 1000yrds the last match i ran it in. Wind is what got me on the 2 misses. RDFs are running 2700.
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I ran my original LW 1:12 twist for a long time. It was stellar with 175 grain SMKs. In some respects, I am sorry I sold it.
 
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Dogtown said:
Burris Super Thermal XJS
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I don't pay much attention to the thermal optics market, so I believed him. Congrats, you got me.

The actual answer is a Teledyne-Flir HISS-XLR. (I'm just OCD enough to Google--> "Thermal Optics" --> Images until I found it).

https://willsoptics.com/product/fli...SlvVOmZrQz64lMs_Qi2dE1oy4Ylp8pD6E7gWv5H6Mywvp

It's safe to say that this is at best a consumer grade thermal scope - maybe one half step above airsoft grade. Definitely not for any serious shooting.
 
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