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You have ammo that has not been in a controlled environment since it was made. Some will stay sealed, the rest will either absorb or lose moisture. And you complain about ES for MV?
Did you also measure COAL and runout before shooting it?
Did you also measure COAL and runout before shooting it?
Let's assume for a minute that everything is properly torqued in the ammunition you've built has no significant flaws.
Given the consistently poor performance and the horizontal stringing on your targets, the most likely problem is the loose nut behind the gun. Although the gear makes a difference in the hands of equally skilled shooter sometimes we really need to start with technique. You mentioned you were on a budget. It's my personal experience professional training will frequently yield a bigger benefit than any fooling around with a gun or the ammunition.
Are you shooting these groups prone? Or from a bench? What are you using for front and rear rests. What training have you had? I don't want to sound like a dick but you're asking questions about things that either don't matter at all or matter only in the margins.
You stated that you tend to go a Mile deep when you get into something. Crimping for example, is a mile deep into the wrong things. Perhaps you need to focus on Brilliance in the basics. In the long term it will save you a lot of money and will yield best results.
Given the consistently poor performance and the horizontal stringing on your targets, the most likely problem is the loose nut behind the gun. Although the gear makes a difference in the hands of equally skilled shooter sometimes we really need to start with technique. You mentioned you were on a budget. It's my personal experience professional training will frequently yield a bigger benefit than any fooling around with a gun or the ammunition.
Are you shooting these groups prone? Or from a bench? What are you using for front and rear rests. What training have you had? I don't want to sound like a dick but you're asking questions about things that either don't matter at all or matter only in the margins.
You stated that you tend to go a Mile deep when you get into something. Crimping for example, is a mile deep into the wrong things. Perhaps you need to focus on Brilliance in the basics. In the long term it will save you a lot of money and will yield best results.
It’s entirely possible the issue is me.
I do wish I had a tall bipod… I have been shooting off of a portable shootings table, and bags… I’d rather shoot in the prone off the ground with a bipod.
I can tell you I know how to use bags and minimally influence the rifle, firing in the pause between breaths with a preference for the exhale, trigger pull is clean far as the whole dime on the muzzle thing every time I used to do that back in the day but I can recheck though this trigger is miles better than anything I used to use.
I MAY move my scope back a hair depending on how things are in the prone. I haven’t used a bipod or lead sled mostly because I’m trying to shoot as if I were shooting off a pack in the field.
For the purpose of eliminating myself though I can see if my buddy will let me borrow his sled. I will say I’m not a big fan of the reward blast of the muzzle brake. I have to make myself not close my eye as the trigger brakes and that’s frustrating and annoying. Enough so I have been thinking about taking it off.
I do wish I had a tall bipod… I have been shooting off of a portable shootings table, and bags… I’d rather shoot in the prone off the ground with a bipod.
I can tell you I know how to use bags and minimally influence the rifle, firing in the pause between breaths with a preference for the exhale, trigger pull is clean far as the whole dime on the muzzle thing every time I used to do that back in the day but I can recheck though this trigger is miles better than anything I used to use.
I MAY move my scope back a hair depending on how things are in the prone. I haven’t used a bipod or lead sled mostly because I’m trying to shoot as if I were shooting off a pack in the field.
For the purpose of eliminating myself though I can see if my buddy will let me borrow his sled. I will say I’m not a big fan of the reward blast of the muzzle brake. I have to make myself not close my eye as the trigger brakes and that’s frustrating and annoying. Enough so I have been thinking about taking it off.
Don’t use a lead sled. They are not good for your rifle and you will not shoot it like that. Get a bipod and use it.
As for the brake, they are loud. You just need to learn that nothing that is happening at the brake is going to hurt you behind the rifle and it’s just part of the firing process. If you are jerking anticipating the noise then that will definitely cause issues with accuracy. Maybe have someone else shoot the rifle and see.
As for the brake, they are loud. You just need to learn that nothing that is happening at the brake is going to hurt you behind the rifle and it’s just part of the firing process. If you are jerking anticipating the noise then that will definitely cause issues with accuracy. Maybe have someone else shoot the rifle and see.
portable tables are usually terrible and that's enough by itself to screw you up. None i have ever used is stable nor do they allow you to get squared up behind the gun. Leadsleds are no better.
You will be shooting off a bipod in the field soon if you get serious about this. There isn't a good alternative to support from planet earth. And the combination of adjustable front bipod and consistent rear bag are truly fundamental to longdistance marksmanship. Learning to manage them translates into understanding how to support the rifle in every other compromised position as well.
Join the site, buy the training and take it. and then go find a proficient journeyman shooter to critique you before you drive yourself nuts thinking you have a crappy rifle.
Send me your rifle let me look the fking thing over I'll shoot it and tell you my professional opinion what's going on...
If I have to make a small adjustment I won't charge you...
If there's a serious issue I'll advise you
Mike R
If I have to make a small adjustment I won't charge you...
If there's a serious issue I'll advise you
Mike R
Damn.
Damn straight way to treat a guy sir.
If he doesn't send it in, go to Sleeping giant brass company and get either LC LR 308 cases or Norma and then load 41.7 gr 4064 under a 175 SMK loaded to saami length spec.
If this doesn't shoot well in your gun with multiple known good shooters then it is absolutely your gun.
Damn straight way to treat a guy sir.
If he doesn't send it in, go to Sleeping giant brass company and get either LC LR 308 cases or Norma and then load 41.7 gr 4064 under a 175 SMK loaded to saami length spec.
If this doesn't shoot well in your gun with multiple known good shooters then it is absolutely your gun.
But did you shoot a .4” group at 278 yards in a 20 mph crosswind
I read your little advertisement at the bottom as: Hornady - ADD
Also good Sir, can you zoom out on the next go-round so we can see where you tried to cut off those pesky little fliers?
Mike for the Win. I wonder what kinda voodoo magic you could work on my daisy red Ryder?
OP TAKE THIS MAN UP ON HIS OFFER!!!!!!!
This is the offer of a lifetime.
One day I will own one of your rifles Mike.
OP How close are you to Columbus GA? If you want to bring it down to Ft Benning and shoot it from 100-1000 with 168s, m118lr, ab39, and multiple other brands/weights I’ll gladly bring you out to our schoolhouse range and we can do some further “testing” before sending it off if you’d like. Won’t cost anything and we have several very high level shooters both real world and competition aspects at work. Never heard of a rifle from Mike with these issues or seen them in the one I owned (selling it was the biggest mistake lol). PM me if it’s something that interests you. Can also run you through an in depth cleaning class with an AMU gunsmith as well
Probably been a hot minute since that statement was accurate.
Since 2010, of the LE snipers courses I attended NOT ONE recommended that round. Most if not all had warned specifically against using SMK bullets.
Just as in a few minutes ago came over to my buddies house who has a fat max or knock off of low torque range torque wrench, took the actions screws out to make sure they’re to spec (5NM - 44.25 inch/lb) and well I think that was at least A problem because they were so lose I don’t know how they weren’t walking out.
So got some more hand loads (178gr ELD-M over 40gr of Varget a very mild load), - few left over 175gr FGMM, and my buddy bought some M118 so I’ll try that too.
Cleaned the copper out of the barrel since last time as well. So I’ll update later today how it groups.
We are eagerly waiting.
I'm still disappointed that the rifle didn't get to Mike R.
I sent him a DM, he never sent the info to ship it. No biggie no one’s obligated to help here.Any way, ELD-M’s are going much slower I’m sure than the M118 or FGMM since they’re 2600fps average vs my hand load, which I didn’t chronograph but I think 40gr was at or below 2400fps. They shoot to the same point far as windage but tend to impact a half inch lower.
Here’s the FGMM and a M118 group. Img_5989 is the M118 the FGMM was a 3 shot group while the M118 was a 5 shot group.
Edit: not sure why the pictures aren't showing like usual.
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With it shooting like that, you just need to adjust your zero and shoot the crap out of it. No complaints.
Any way, ELD-M’s are going much slower I’m sure than the M118 or FGMM since they’re 2600fps average vs my hand load, which I didn’t chronograph but I think 40gr was at or below 2400fps. They shoot to the same point far as windage but tend to impact a half inch lower.
Here’s the FGMM and a M118 group. Img_5989 is the M118 the FGMM was a 3 shot group while the M118 was a 5 shot group.
Edit: not sure why the pictures aren't showing like usual.
Me too! basically right at 2k on this thing once you add up the scope, mounts, brake etc. I was about to REALLY regret choosing this thing as my "turned 40, gift to myself". So far now that I tightened the action screws after discovering they were lose, it's out shooting my friends custom Bagara he put in a MDR chassis.
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