What do you expect their reactions to be if they just learned there could be an additional 30% tax on raw materials?
Tariffs and ammo prices?
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This might be news to younger folks or older ones who never studied economics, but the stock market isn’t even an indicator you would look at for US economic health and future outlook.
Gross Domestic Product, Unemployment, Inflation, DTI, Consumer confidence/CPI, and Median Income to Median Home price ratio are what I look at and analyze regularly.
The stock market is a trader’s market that most Americans are not involved with. It was originally meant for businesses and banks to invest in, to help promote economic expansion and wealth-sharing among companies.
Any time traders see an opportunity for volatility, they will shake the trees and drop whatever known-performing investments they have, so they can pick up with larger yields on the up-curve in the largest market on earth.
US unemployment remains at historically-low rates, and will only get better as more industries are forced to relocate here. It was 5.6% in 1990, and is now 4%, on an overall downward trend over the past 35 years. The 2 main periods of outliers were the ’08 crash to 9.3%, and the COVID biowar crime in 2020, where it went to 8.1%.
CPI has been on an upward trend, which is really driven by inflation.
One major problem moving forward is nobody has really given a rip about our upcoming generations when it comes to housing, transportation, and household costs. With manufacturing, anyone could afford more than a decent home, transportation, and normal household expenses, while being able to have plenty of money left over for lifestyle improvements, vacations, plenty of children, and long-term stability.
These treasonous organized crime sell-outs in our Congress have cashed-out with foreign companies and lobbyists, selling our critical industrial base factories to the highest bidders and blackmailers. Both political parties have stepped on the gas to that end, as long as their candidates kept getting elected.
This is why they hate Trump so much. He represents and existential threat to their bribery schemes and personal profiteering at the expense of the Country. But somebody has to think of our future and the young Millennials, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, and their posterity.
Congress already sold-out Gen X, but we were used to being abandoned by dual-income households with parents who were conditioned to chase material things instead of family-focus and the real American dream.
I’ve seen ammo wholesale prices, and they were closer to 50% of retail at one of my local stores.
I saw it on their wholesale list on one of their computer screens, at least for Hornady.
Some of the online sellers might be running a business model on 5% margins, which is their prerogative.
I just see it as another scare tactic to generate sales, which has been a core marketing model in the firearms industry conditioned by the volatile legal framework set by anti-2A politicians.
These politicians have also been caught investing in firearms companies, then threatening legislation to drive sales. We get played big time in the firearms world by the lower-tier scumbags who can’t play in higher value industries.
I agree on the whole and the stock market is not the best indicator of economic health. But, to the people who have lost tens of even hundreds of thousands from there retirement savings, it is hard not to focus on the policy triggers.This might be news to younger folks or older ones who never studied economics, but the stock market isn’t even an indicator you would look at for US economic health and future outlook.
Gross Domestic Product, Unemployment, Inflation, DTI, Consumer confidence/CPI, and Median Income to Median Home price ratio are what I look at and analyze regularly.
The stock market is a trader’s market that most Americans are not involved with. It was originally meant for businesses and banks to invest in, to help promote economic expansion and wealth-sharing among companies.
Any time traders see an opportunity for volatility, they will shake the trees and drop whatever known-performing investments they have, so they can pick up with larger yields on the up-curve in the largest market on earth.
US unemployment remains at historically-low rates, and will only get better as more industries are forced to relocate here. It was 5.6% in 1990, and is now 4%, on an overall downward trend over the past 35 years. The 2 main periods of outliers were the ’08 crash to 9.3%, and the COVID biowar crime in 2020, where it went to 8.1%.
CPI has been on an upward trend, which is really driven by inflation.
One major problem moving forward is nobody has really given a rip about our upcoming generations when it comes to housing, transportation, and household costs. With manufacturing, anyone could afford more than a decent home, transportation, and normal household expenses, while being able to have plenty of money left over for lifestyle improvements, vacations, plenty of children, and long-term stability.
These treasonous organized crime sell-outs in our Congress have cashed-out with foreign companies and lobbyists, selling our critical industrial base factories to the highest bidders and blackmailers. Both political parties have stepped on the gas to that end, as long as their candidates kept getting elected.
This is why they hate Trump so much. He represents and existential threat to their bribery schemes and personal profiteering at the expense of the Country. But somebody has to think of our future and the young Millennials, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, and their posterity.
Congress already sold-out Gen X, but we were used to being abandoned by dual-income households with parents who were conditioned to chase material things instead of family-focus and the real American dream.
I have no idea if we will end up better off or worse off, this feels like a big gamble and I would have preferred a more incremental approach.
The Constitution grants Congress alone the authority to impose tariffs.
I don't think what is being proposed has anything to do with authorizing Trump to impose terriffs, as pointed out they have authorized the president to impose tariffs sometimes under some conditions
It has to do with Congress maintaining their authority over terriffs even as they allow a President to impose them.
Congress doesn’t care enough to vote about fucking war. Why would they give even half a fuck about another tax?
Wow... how to "bring out the Commies" tread... 101
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That’s the thing…
Our high standard of living - the same construct which lets us live in comfort and purchase affordable F150s - all comes at the expense of somebody else being screwed over, getting ripped off and exploited in some sweatshop, elsewhere on this little planet of ours.
Our dollar - and I fail to understand how exactly, in detail - has purchased trillions in excess of its actual value due to our hegemony, and the dollar’s “exorbitant privilege.” [better clarification needed here]
We were already in the process of shooting ourselves in the foot, even prior to these tariffs, with all those countries we’ve exploited turning their backs on us…
…odds are, within a decade or two, we’ll probably be only a bit more well - off than a middling European country.
AAC has been my Go-to for a while now. That amd I've been stocking up on components for the last 4-5 years. I wouldn't say I'm "good" on supplies, because you can never have enough, but, ya know, I'm kinda "good"
And re: money. I don't have 100k, but I'm all about getting the best percentage return (duh) it's fun.
Usury works both ways
A Taiwanese buddy of mine who used to own a massive manufacturing company in Taiwan (he hates China LOL). You may have heard of his company if you heard of this thing;
More like a prelude to something like
the Plaza Accord (1985)
The United States missed the moment when the post-industrial economy ceased to produce tangible results and advantages over other, less developed countries.
At that time, which didn't last that long IT sector services were very expensive and everything else was very cheap. Except for weapons, oil and drugs.
The US, as a generator of technological innovations, did not see the point in doing low-productivity things
Therefore, production was moved abroad to further reduce the cost of production.
But now all these technological innovations are commonplace. Even in developing countries and are relatively inexpensive.
This has led to a growing trade imbalance, which was suppressed by printing dollars. The miracle did not happen and the imbalance increased.
There were hopes for AI that it would give 40 percent of productivity, but everything is still postponed.
Those of you who are in favor of reducing the trade deficit in a shocking way, do you even realize that after this, instead of Irish butter, you will eat margarine at best, and save six months' salary for a new refrigerator? And if you also reduce the budget deficit (and this will have to be done, because who will cover it after the devaluation of the dollar), then you will have to plant carrots near your house instead of a lawn.
Because people without proper education do this under the influence of propaganda and conspiracy theories.
This is the only thing that the informational post-industrial society can boast of so far. Ease of influence on the uneducated masses of people.
ps. These people are present in this thread too.
pps. Unfortunately, eugenics experiments have long been suspended in the United States; they could have saved the situation
An ophthalmologist and a billionaire walk into a bar....
So anyway.....
I like Rand Paul and his father a lot. We would be better with more statesmen like them in Congress, but both of them combined don’t have a fraction of the real-world economic and business sense that Trump does.
We’re talking entirely different worlds here. They are not even B players among the shark-infested waters Trump was forged in.
Now is not the time for comments from the peanut gallery.
I have yet to meet anyone in-person who understands why America is exceptional. No college professors from esteemed universities, no senior US military officers, no politicians, but only a tiny few private think tank or private intelligence firms.
The most egregious void in basic knowledge among the “educated elite” is the lack of a fundamental understanding of US geography, transportation infrastructure, climate, farmland, and freedom of maneuver regionally. We have no regional threat nations on our borders.
These “educated elites” don’t know that:
The US has the largest arable farmland in the world, with unusually-long growing and harvest seasons because we live in a temperate zone.
A vast connected river network that facilitates movement of people, materials, and goods that acted as the framework from which we built THE WORLD’s most vast Railroad network, without even a close peer.
That acted as the framework for the most connected and high mileage highway network in the world, which was built as we expanded our airport and airfield inventory to over 14,000 locations.
We have the 3rd-largest population in the world, with some of the least population density of any populated nation. We’re 180th in the world ranking for population density. You can’t even find us on the list without CTRL F.
From this choice piece of real estate above all others, we built the biggest economy in the world already by no later than 1890, and have never looked in the rearview mirror since.
We went on to invent heavier-than-air, powered flight. Mass-production of automobiles. Expansion of telegraph services and mass communication. We were called upon by Europe in 2 World Wars to come bail them out. We conquered the largest historic naval power in the pacific, then made them our allies.
Post-WWII, we provided the security for the free trade of goods around the world without even asking for duties to help subsidize the unmatched Navy that secured those routes.
We were already the largest economy and industrial base before the turn of the last century, so naturally, the nations of the world sought to export their goods to the US, where they could get more value than from any of their neighbors. This elevated the wealth of all nations that exported their goods to the US.
In the latter years of the Cold War and post-Cold War, these countries had already figured out how to grease the wheels of the corrupt politicians in DC, who were largely put into office by organized crime families during Prohibition in the 1920s. Lobbying was the name of the game, and sell-out traitors within our Congress and the political parties knew they could become personally-enriched for a few pieces of silver, while passing the financial burdens onto the taxpayers.
That included shipping a lot of our mid and high-level skill manufacturing jobs to Asia, where labor costs were extremely cheap due to overpopulation. Asia has been in population decline now, due to many factors, with China’s One Child policy being the largest component of that.
These countries that took advantage of our generosity had the gaul to then charge us tariffs all these years as a nice “thank you stupid Amewican”, while their labor costs increased.
Somebody needed to address that, and it was never going to be any of the corrupt Congressmen and traditional executive path to the Presidency sell-outs from both political parties.
No amount of tariffs will keep American gun owners from paying to do R&D for holosun and saving $3.50.
lol.....what, you still have a defined benefit pension?
WTF do you think people's 401k's are invested..even if in mutual/managed funds. And please don't say government bonds with ridiculously low rates of return that cannot support a reasonable retirement fund. Seriously....I think your statement is...well, ill advised?
"Overall, 58% of U.S. families had some sort of exposure to the stock market in 2022, the highest level ever recorded by the SCF. The median value of those holdings was $52,000; the mean value was $489,500."
"WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Gallup finds 61% of Americans reporting that they own stock, based on its April Economy and Personal Finance survey. This is up from the 56% measured in 2021 and 55% measured in 2020, and is the highest it has been since 2008.
Stock ownership averaged 62% between 2001 and 2008 -- but it fell after the 2007-2009 recession and remained at a reduced level until this year."
You building a nitrocellulose plant within a few months? I'm in, let us know how we can help. How about a semiconductor manufacturing plant?
Trump wants to end the ‘horrible, horrible’ CHIPS Act. It’s not that simple.
Defunding the law would require an act of Congress, which one expert says would be unlikely to pass.
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I mean most Americans are not active traders, and the stock market isn’t even in the top 5 metrics for evaluating the economic health of the Nation.
Ya, you betcha.
My job under a couple different corporate flags had retirement benefits.
Then they went to 401k's available.
And then at major contract time the union sold out the new hires so us vested employees could keep our retirement income intact.
That did several things, helped split up the workers against each other and the union. But it made it to where new employees had zero reason not to be migratory.
I took money I saved not in a 401k and bought company stock when it crashed and made out well.
The money I spent over the years on women, booze, outdoor sports and good food was well spent and can't be taken by anyone.
The rest I just wasted.
Or cheerleading from the fan base.
Trump has hardly proven himself as a business genius. He has bankruptcies and lawsuits that slow red flags. He takes huge gambles and has left business partners holding the bag while he hides behind lawyers and refuses to accept any responsibility for his roll.
By the way, we are the partner he is gambling with this time. I hope the gamble works.
Now go do a search of prominent business people who have used bankruptcy.
This isn’t about Trump or cheerleading a political figure due to confirmation bias within a political party.
It’s about very real threats to our Nation that everyone in Washington was happy to ignore and profit off of personally, while kicking the can down the road.
We finally get someone with the knowledge, experience, and motive to fix it, and you’re over here complaining.
Nobody from any political party has even remotely done anything other than make this problem worse.
The same people who were covid experts are now economic experts.
What a neat coincidence.
What a neat coincidence.
The same people who where "massive structures" under the Pyramids experts and now financial experts... LOL
I have yet to meet anyone in-person who understands why America is exceptional. No college professors from esteemed universities, no senior US military officers, no politicians, but only a tiny few private think tank or private intelligence firms.
The most egregious void in basic knowledge among the “educated elite” is the lack of a fundamental understanding of US geography, transportation infrastructure, climate, farmland, and freedom of maneuver regionally. We have no regional threat nations on our borders.
These “educated elites” don’t know that:
The US has the largest arable farmland in the world, with unusually-long growing and harvest seasons because we live in a temperate zone.
A vast connected river network that facilitates movement of people, materials, and goods that acted as the framework from which we built THE WORLD’s most vast Railroad network, without even a close peer.
That acted as the framework for the most connected and high mileage highway network in the world, which was built as we expanded our airport and airfield inventory to over 14,000 locations.
We have the 3rd-largest population in the world, with some of the least population density of any populated nation. We’re 180th in the world ranking for population density. You can’t even find us on the list without CTRL F.
From this choice piece of real estate above all others, we built the biggest economy in the world already by no later than 1890, and have never looked in the rearview mirror since.
We went on to invent heavier-than-air, powered flight. Mass-production of automobiles. Expansion of telegraph services and mass communication. We were called upon by Europe in 2 World Wars to come bail them out. We conquered the largest historic naval power in the pacific, then made them our allies.
Post-WWII, we provided the security for the free trade of goods around the world without even asking for duties to help subsidize the unmatched Navy that secured those routes.
We were already the largest economy and industrial base before the turn of the last century, so naturally, the nations of the world sought to export their goods to the US, where they could get more value than from any of their neighbors. This elevated the wealth of all nations that exported their goods to the US.
In the latter years of the Cold War and post-Cold War, these countries had already figured out how to grease the wheels of the corrupt politicians in DC, who were largely put into office by organized crime families during Prohibition in the 1920s. Lobbying was the name of the game, and sell-out traitors within our Congress and the political parties knew they could become personally-enriched for a few pieces of silver, while passing the financial burdens onto the taxpayers.
That included shipping a lot of our mid and high-level skill manufacturing jobs to Asia, where labor costs were extremely cheap due to overpopulation. Asia has been in population decline now, due to many factors, with China’s One Child policy being the largest component of that.
These countries that took advantage of our generosity had the gaul to then charge us tariffs all these years as a nice “thank you stupid Amewican”, while their labor costs increased.
Somebody needed to address that, and it was never going to be any of the corrupt Congressmen and traditional executive path to the Presidency sell-outs from both political parties.
I’m sorry, but from the bizarrely disconnected “flow” and the essay “presenting information” without really answering anything - this reeks of hodgepodge AI.
The content is presented very similarly to your posts concerning Ukraine.
But the use of this photo right here - contrived as it is - is what really throws everything off. You’d typically see these images used in elementary school essays.
Just like the twisted fingers on some really hot chick you see on the net.
@GreenGO Juan
I think you hit the nail right on the head.
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I agree and despite my arguments, I am on the same page about how bad things are and the need for change.
I guess at my core I wish a huge effort was being made, I just wish Trump and a bunch of billionaires were not calling the shots.
I don't trust Trump, I'm sure regardless of how this turns out, he and the billionaires will be better off, but I'm not sure we will be.
You don't think billionaires aren't pulling and/or calling the shots when the left and liberals are holding the presidency or control of congress?
Don't believe or sound so naive.
I think Trump lies about everything and his execution of plans shows he ignores experts and hires for loyalty and not competency.
And russia/ukraine war experts / foreign relation experts ...
All of my European calibers are causing me great concern. No one else even produces brass for 7.5 Swiss, 8mm lebel, 7.62x54r, 7.5 French, etc., even though I reload.
In addition to manufacturing and optics such as Ziess, CZ, Zaztava, and Circle 11, Lapua
In addition to manufacturing and optics such as Ziess, CZ, Zaztava, and Circle 11, Lapua
He probably got his ass handed to him at a match by a Canadian shooting an AI and is now butt hurt.Oh my....show us on this doll where the big, bad Canadian touched you and made you feel....'uncomfortable'.
Got an email flyer from a place I have bought a decent amount from over the years. Flyer explained how they were forced to raise prices due to tariffs.
Cannot let this go to waste, I guess.
This was like the next day after the actual tariffs went into place...lol.
Cannot let this go to waste, I guess.
This was like the next day after the actual tariffs went into place...lol.
You think I generated that with AI? Ha ha!
It couldn’t be that I’ve been studying all this before AI was a thing, have traveled to most of the places being discussed, or have been overlaying weapons systems metrics over the map since I was a kid.
A subscription to STRATFOR really drove my perspective on the US position in the world on top of travel to 30 different countries.
But you can find posts of mine way before AI ever existed explaining the exact same thing. For the DC corruption and lobbyists, I did an image search of lobbyists exiting the Capitol Bldg. You can go read This Town: Two Parties and a Funeral for further research.
AI has not caught up to my experience base yet. I tested it recently with 3 easy questions about F-35 and Rafale unit flyaway and unit program costs, and it doesn’t know the difference between the 2, got everything wrong.
I’ve laid out the US geography dominance in posts over the past 2 decades. Aside from all the travel and DoD perspective on Strategic and Tactical Weapons systems envelopes, I attribute STRATFOR’s US geography lessons for all of that.
Multiple universities, private schools, and military assignments across generations never explained US geography to me the way STRATFOR did.
It couldn’t be that I’ve been studying all this before AI was a thing, have traveled to most of the places being discussed, or have been overlaying weapons systems metrics over the map since I was a kid.
A subscription to STRATFOR really drove my perspective on the US position in the world on top of travel to 30 different countries.
But you can find posts of mine way before AI ever existed explaining the exact same thing. For the DC corruption and lobbyists, I did an image search of lobbyists exiting the Capitol Bldg. You can go read This Town: Two Parties and a Funeral for further research.
AI has not caught up to my experience base yet. I tested it recently with 3 easy questions about F-35 and Rafale unit flyaway and unit program costs, and it doesn’t know the difference between the 2, got everything wrong.
I’ve laid out the US geography dominance in posts over the past 2 decades. Aside from all the travel and DoD perspective on Strategic and Tactical Weapons systems envelopes, I attribute STRATFOR’s US geography lessons for all of that.
Multiple universities, private schools, and military assignments across generations never explained US geography to me the way STRATFOR did.
Well, the Europeans just caved on Tariffs and gas prices have plummeted.
You know billionaires normally make more money when the US is being screwed over and gas prices are high, right?
Europe caves on tariffs
"While the left and their media allies urge panic over Trump’s tariffs and the market response, reality is telling a different story — countries are folding fast. Now even the European Union is signaling it’s ready to deal. On Monday, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced that the EU is open to negotiations with the United States and has proposed eliminating tariffs on industrial goods altogether."
"While the left and their media allies urge panic over Trump’s tariffs and the market response, reality is telling a different story — countries are folding fast. Now even the European Union is signaling it’s ready to deal. On Monday, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced that the EU is open to negotiations with the United States and has proposed eliminating tariffs on industrial goods altogether."
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Tariff China 150% and leave the tariffs in place forever.
ETA: Will American gun owners finally stop buying holosun?
ETA: Will American gun owners finally stop buying holosun?
