Seems fair to me.

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

If the vac does reduce the severity of the sickness, which it does seem to do, and you choose not to get it, should I have to pay for your hospitalization? Ill pass.

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Jgunner · Aug 6, 2021

Sooooo fat people gonna have to pay for their medical issues the full amount? How about gang bangers that come in with bullet or stab wounds? Hoes and abortions?

BoilerUP · Aug 6, 2021

Smokers?

Obese people?

Diabetics?

Cancer patients?

Homeowners insurance in Wyoming increasing due to fires in California, hurricanes in Florida and flooding in Nebraska?

jmp1 · Aug 6, 2021

Jgunner said:
Sooooo fat people gonna have to pay for their medical issues the full amount? How about gang bangers that come in with bullet or stab wounds? Hoes and abortions?

Exactly!! We routinely pay for people's shity life choices. Aids, obesity, rampant drug use......but we're guna put our foot down on people that don't Vax. Great idea comrade

hlee · Aug 6, 2021

jmp1 said:
Exactly!! We routinely pay for people's shity life choices. Aids, obesity, rampant drug use......but we're guna put our foot down on people that don't Vax. Great idea comrade

Do you have health insurance, comrade?

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

jmp1 said:
Exactly!! We routinely pay for people's shity life choices. Aids, obesity, rampant drug use......but we're guna put our foot down on people that don't Vax. Great idea comrade

Actually I think if you make poor decisions you should pay for them regardless of the reason. Why should I pay for someone who lives off McDonald's and suffers congestive heart blockage. Or Buddy who gets hooked on heroin. Accidents are a different story.

n0glock · Aug 6, 2021

Slippery slope, you are talking about a shot that is still not fully FDA approved, with your logic it would be easy to do the same for proven things like smoking, drinking, over weight. Then it would still only harm those who work and have private insurance all those on the dole would still get free treatment. How about get full FDA approval and quit playing politics with the stats. Let people make informed decisions.

Jgunner · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
Actually I think if you make poor decisions you should pay for them regardless of the reason. Why should I pay for someone who lives off McDonald's and suffers congestive heart blockage. Or Buddy who gets hooked on heroin. Accidents are a different story.

And what if its not a poor decision to not vax? I suppose time will tell, but its a bit early to say either way, don’t you think?

MtnCreek · Aug 6, 2021

Cut off fed changflu payments to hospitals and the changflu numbers will go down substantially.

The D · Aug 6, 2021

If you have a serious adverse reaction to being vaccinated, should I be forced to foot the bill? I’ll pass

I will happily pay for my own healthcare if I don’t have to pay taxes to keep paying for all the sick train wrecks that refuse to change their lifestyle

vh20 · Aug 6, 2021

The D said:
If you have a serious adverse reaction to being vaccinated, should I be forced to foot the bill? I’ll pass

I will happily pay for my own healthcare if I don’t have to pay taxes to keep paying for all the sick train wrecks that refuse to change their lifestyle

Was just about to post similar. If you stroke out after the vaccine, should you be forced to pay for that out of your pocket? You knew the risk...
OP is a flawed premise.

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

vh20 said:
Was just about to post similar. If you stroke out after the vaccine, should you be forced to pay for that out of your pocket? You knew the risk...
OP is a flawed premise.

There seems very low instance of that but much higher risk of serious complications for those who dont. Thats not really the point.

If youre driving fast and I warn you the bridge is out one mile ahead and you wreck your car, should I have to pay for it?

Besides, I posted this more or less tongue in cheek knowing the reactions that would come.

Docsherm · Aug 6, 2021

So if i get the vaccine and I still GET COVID-19 (delta, or WTF ever) or any side effects, they pay me the cost of hospitalization?

That seems fair...... Right?

oneshot86 · Aug 6, 2021

buy more ammo

The D · Aug 6, 2021

vh20 said:
Was just about to post similar. If you stroke out after the vaccine, should you be forced to pay for that out of your pocket? You knew the risk...
OP is a flawed premise.

This is an instance that this patient shouldn’t have to pay anything, but neither should tax payers. The company that made the shot should be liable, this is an experimental vaccine after all. And there is a very good chance the patient didn’t know anything about any adverse reactions. They were probably told by their dr, or even the nurse, some mindless talking point that was relayed by a drug rep or cnn

Jgunner · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
There seems very low instance of that but much higher risk of serious complications for those who dont. Thats not really the point.

If youre driving fast and I warn you the bridge is out one mile ahead and you wreck your car, should I have to pay for it?

Besides, I posted this more or less tongue in cheek knowing the reactions that would come.

Heh, well reality is the bridge isn’t really out ahead. So there’s that. Just a bunch of democrats claiming it so does not make it so.

vinniedelpino · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
Actually I think if you make poor decisions you should pay for them regardless of the reason. Why should I pay for someone who lives off McDonald's and suffers congestive heart blockage. Or Buddy who gets hooked on heroin. Accidents are a different story.

I'd be happy if we got rid of handicapped parking passes and scooters for the obese at this point. A walk from the parking lot and around the grocery store isn't going to hurt any...

You're asking a lot, Maggot.

We reward irresponsibility here.

Smitty192 · Aug 6, 2021

Why is not getting an experimental, non-FDA approved mrna injection a poor life decision? An arrogant assumption, (by you, the author or both) to think it's your way or the highway. Personally...I'm fed up with being preached to by smug, self-righteous people that think it's their duty to tell me what the fuck to do.

Go OBEY somewhere else...and mind your business when you get there.

vh20 · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
There seems very low instance of that but much higher risk of serious complications for those who dont. Thats not really the point.

If youre driving fast and I warn you the bridge is out one mile ahead and you wreck your car, should I have to pay for it?

Besides, I posted this more or less tongue in cheek knowing the reactions that would come.

You don't know what the instance of serious complications are (neither do I) because little has been published, and it is a sure bet that whatever numbers are published will be suspect in an environment where there is a huge political push to have everyone take it.

oneshot86 · Aug 6, 2021

Smitty192 said:
Why is not getting an experimental, non-FDA approved mrna injection a poor life decision? An arrogant assumption, (by you, the author or both) to think it's your way or the highway. Personally...I'm fed up with being preached to by smug, self-righteous people that think it's their duty to tell me what the fuck to do.

Go OBEY somewhere else...and mind your business when you get there.

great quote...

go obey somewhere else and mind your business when you get there

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

vh20 said:
You don't know what the instance of serious complications are (neither do I) because little has been published, and it is a sure bet that whatever numbers are published will be suspect in an environment where there is a huge political push to have everyone take it.

That is likely true.

Flyingbullseye · Aug 6, 2021

Already had covid, beat it and no ill after effects. My immune system will mount a better defense than what the vax will provide so I'll take that option. Wish my hospital would see it that way.

Bullfrog08 · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
Actually I think if you make poor decisions you should pay for them regardless of the reason. Why should I pay for someone who lives off McDonald's and suffers congestive heart blockage. Or Buddy who gets hooked on heroin. Accidents are a different story.

Who is the arbitrator of poor decisions? I know plenty of people that would say playing with guns is a poor decision.....if you get injured while shooting or reloading, that's on you?

I know plenty of people that shouldn't be on the road driving. I could easy say it is a poor decision for them to be behind the wheel. When something happens, they are on their own?

We can travel pretty far down this road, but you get the point.

I think your theory is seriously flawed. How about we live as free people and the same free people can decide if they want to insure the other free people......you know.....as free people.

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

vh20 said:
You don't know what the instance of serious complications are (neither do I) because little has been published, and it is a sure bet that whatever numbers are published will be suspect in an environment where there is a huge political push to have everyone take it.

I dont give a fuck what you do. Go put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I just put it up there for discussion.

MtnCreek · Aug 6, 2021

Smitty192 said:
Why is not getting an experimental, non-FDA approved mrna injection a poor life decision? An arrogant assumption, (by you, the author or both) to think it's your way or the highway. Personally...I'm fed up with being preached to by smug, self-righteous people that think it's their duty to tell me what the fuck to do.

Go OBEY somewhere else...and mind your business when you get there.

Might as well go ahead and give up on using lack of fda approval as a reason to not take it, unless fda approval will change your mind on the safety of the vac. There's about a 0% chance this shit gets injected into 100 million plus people and the fda comes out and says it failed stage-whatever trial - not approved. Maybe J&J, but doubtful. No way their rna/dna golenchild vac's don't get approved.

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

Bullfrog08 said:
Who is the arbitrator of poor decisions? I know plenty of people that would say playing with guns is a poor decision.....if you get injured while shooting or reloading, that's on you?

I know plenty of people that shouldn't be on the road driving. I could easy say it is a poor decision for them to be behind the wheel. When something happens, they are on their own?

We can travel pretty far down this road, but you get the point.

I think your theory is seriously flawed. How about we live as free people and the same free people can decide if they want to insure the other free people......you know.....as free people.

Thats exactly what I said. As a free individual I choose not to cover them. Or does free choice count only when its the same choice you make? Thats the liberal way.

vh20 · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
I dont give a fuck what you do. Go put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. I just put it up there for discussion.

Um, what? You just agreed with the same statement further up the thread, and I didn't say anything about what I would or wouldn't do.

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

MtnCreek said:
Might as well go ahead and give up on using lack of fda approval as a reason to not take it, unless fda approval will change your mind on the safety of the vac. There's about a 0% chance this shit gets injected into 100 million plus people and the fda comes out and says it failed stage-whatever trial - not approved. Maybe J&J, but doubtful. No way their rna/dna golenchild vac's don't get approved.

At 71 I figured the J&J was the way to go as its a traditional type vaccine and likely safe. I didnt even feel the shot and 0 reaction.. Personally, Id not take the others, and deal with the outcome what ever it was.

Smitty192 · Aug 6, 2021

MtnCreek said:
Might as well go ahead and give up on using lack of fda approval as a reason to not take it, unless fda approval will change your mind on the safety of the vac. There's about a 0% chance this shit gets injected into 100 million plus people and the fda comes out and says it failed stage-whatever trial - not approved. Maybe J&J, but doubtful. No way their rna/dna golenchild vac's don't get approved.

I'm surprised the FDA didn't approve on Jan. 20th, 2021.

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

vh20 said:
Um, what? You just agreed with the same statement further up the thread, and I didn't say anything about what I would or wouldn't do.

My mistake, sir, I intended my reply for a different post. My bad.

jmp1 · Aug 6, 2021

hlee said:
Do you have health insurance, comrade?

Sure do.....employer provided. Point??
Personally I think the medical world would be better without it. Doctors pharma and insurance just circle jerk us to death. You honestly think these people want to cure you?? No money in that. I'm currently surround by forest fire due to years of shitty forest management. Think anyone on the fire gravey train really wants to put it out?? No money in that either. Money money money......all that matters to most.

vh20 · Aug 6, 2021

Thanks, I was wondering about that. No worries.

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

jmp1 said:
Sure do.....employer provided. Point??
Personally I think the medical world would be better without it. Doctors pharma and insurance just circle jerk us to death. You honestly think these people want to cure you?? No money in that. I'm currently surround by forest fire due to years of shitty forest management. Think anyone on the fire gravey train really wants to put it out?? No money in that either. Money money money......all that matters to most.

I dont know about eliminating insurance, though it is just a form of gambling in whch you only win if you lose, but demanding fiscal responsibility would help. I get medicare and pay the premium for supp. coverage. You'd be amazed by how much the medico's charge that gets whittled down by the insurer's.

Bullfrog08 · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
Thats exactly what I said. As a free individual I choose not to cover them. Or does free choice count only when its the same choice you make? Thats the liberal way.

You're golden then, stay out of the insurance providing business!

hlee · Aug 6, 2021

jmp1 said:
Sure do.....employer provided. Point??
Personally I think the medical world would be better without it. Doctors pharma and insurance just circle jerk us to death. You honestly think these people want to cure you?? No money in that. I'm currently surround by forest fire due to years of shitty forest management. Think anyone on the fire gravey train really wants to put it out?? No money in that either. Money money money......all that matters to most.

My only point is a lot of people use 'comrade' as a pejorative while enjoying the benefits of communist institutions. And, if you think that health insurance isn't communistic (it is literally "the many paying for the one"), you are wrong...

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

hlee said:
My only point is a lot of people use 'comrade' as a pejorative while enjoying the benefits of communist institutions. And, if you think that health insurance isn't communistic (it is literally "the many paying for the one"), you are wrong...

Id'd have to disagree with that. Youre free (at least for now) to buy it or not (unless Obama says so), thats free market capitalism..

Its closer to gambling where the only way to win is to lose. If you pay premiums all yuor life and stay healthy, you lose.

If you pay them and get sick and cost the insurance co. millions, you win.

HeavyAssault · Aug 6, 2021

You think you aren't paying for it now?! LMAO

hlee · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
Id'd have to disagree with that. Youre free (at least for now) to buy it or not (unless Obama says so), thats free market capitalism..

Its closer to gambling where the only way to win is to lose. If you pay premiums all yuor life and stay healthy, you lose.

If you pay them and get sick and cost the insurance co. millions, you win.

And, you can choose to join or not join a union. That does not make a union any less communist. Health insurance combines shared costs with collective bargaining. It’s not gambling, it’s just plain ol’ communism…

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

hlee said:
And, you can choose to join or not join a union. That does not make a union any less communist. Health insurance combines shared costs with collective bargaining. It’s not gambling, it’s just plain ol’ communism…

I dont see unions as communist, at least not in their inception. They were a response to the horrors of the labor practices. Look up 'Company Store'.

There is a massive difference between 'communism' and collective bargaining to protect yourself from unscrupulous practice.

eca7891 · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
Actually I think if you make poor decisions you should pay for them regardless of the reason. Why should I pay for someone who lives off McDonald's and suffers congestive heart blockage. Or Buddy who gets hooked on heroin. Accidents are a different story.

So who, exactly, decides accident, life choice and other classifications?

The perhaps the government could do this for us….

Long Range 338 · Aug 6, 2021

Its almost as if its not about the vaccine at all, its just about control....

Maggot · Aug 6, 2021

Long Range 338 said:
Its almost as if its not about the vaccine at all, its just about control....

Seems that way at times doesnt it. An interesting article I just came across which may throw some interesting thoughts on hte subject.

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hlee · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
There is a massive difference between 'communism' and collective bargaining to protect yourself from unscrupulous practice.

Reeeeaaaaallllllllyyyyy? Mmmkay.

Baron23 · Aug 6, 2021

Maggot said:
If the vac does reduce the severity of the sickness, which it does seem to do, and you choose not to get it, should I have to pay for your hospitalization? Ill pass.

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Freedom = your decisions = your consequences to bear.

it’s as simple as that to me.

RUTGERS95 · Aug 6, 2021

pulling out all the stops.

amazing to see how 'choice' is now only the 'right' choice decided by bigoted leftists

supercorndogs · Aug 7, 2021

Does that mean if you choose to get the jab and you have complications that should be on you too? Your choice, you knew of the possible dangers of getting it.

Calling health care and health insurance free market capitalism is total bullshit. If thats what you think, you don't know how things work.

jmp1 · Aug 7, 2021

Maggot said:
I dont know about eliminating insurance, though it is just a form of gambling in whch you only win if you lose, but demanding fiscal responsibility would help. I get medicare and pay the premium for supp. coverage. You'd be amazed by how much the medico's charge that gets whittled down by the insurer's.

My point was more if it never existed. Capitalism 101....you can only charge what the market will bear. Realistically this debate will always be unwinnable for anyone. At the end of the day we ALL lose. Life, freedom or money...
for some of us it'll be all three.

jmp1 · Aug 7, 2021

hlee said:
My only point is a lot of people use 'comrade' as a pejorative while enjoying the benefits of communist institutions. And, if you think that health insurance isn't communistic (it is literally "the many paying for the one"), you are wrong...

As I said above....it's a crappy system. Greed and money are the driving factors. If I could give the doc a couple chickens to lance the boil on my ass, that'd be great. Unfortunately that ain't our world. The comrade remark was aimed at the point of the post. Get jab....the collective will provide. Fight the system and you'll be left out in the cold.
If this Vax was actually a Vax then those who CHOSE it would have nothing to fear.....and us fools would be littering the streets with our stinking corpses .

acudaowner · Aug 7, 2021

don't forget to add in sex changes let them pay for there own and abortions its a great time to add that back to you pay for your own choices .

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