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Suppressors 308 Suppressor Opinion for a semi

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AngryKoala

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Looking for opinions on 308 suppressors for a 14.5 or 16" 308 "battle" rifle. Durability, repeatability and minimal back pressure are my goals for this can.

I was looking at the TBAC and CGS offerings but I'm not sure how titanium would hold up for that use.
 
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LaRue TranQuilo
OSS flow thru

TranQuilo is heavier but is durable, repeatable, low back pressure and best can for the money to go on a gas gun, IMHO.
TranQuilo is only can I have used that I don’t have to putz with gas system / buffer weights, can on or off, rifle runs same and puts brass at same spot when ejects.
Guessing well North of 10k rds thru my TranQuilo, zero issues to date. 223, 25-08, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creed, 260, 300 BO, 308 and a couple more that escape me at moment.

Scenario you described, take a look at what TranQuilo offers you.
 
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AngryKoala said:
Looking for opinions on 308 suppressors for a 14.5 or 16" 308 "battle" rifle. Durability, repeatability and minimal back pressure are my goals for this can.

I was looking at the TBAC and CGS offerings but I'm not sure how titanium would hold up for that use.
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Cgs helios qd is inconel but they are not "minimal" back pressure. It is ridiculously durable though.

Here is the current 308 data from pewscience and some of the back pressure data. You can find more backpressure data on the individual reviews

https://pewscience.com/sound-signature-reviews

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AngryKoala said:
Looking for opinions on 308 suppressors for a 14.5 or 16" 308 "battle" rifle. Durability, repeatability and minimal back pressure are my goals for this can.

I was looking at the TBAC and CGS offerings but I'm not sure how titanium would hold up for that use.
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These are all solid options... I currently have one of each of the Sandman-S cans (regular & FDE), and a Nomad-LT (titanium) as far as .30 cal cans go. And also have a Dead Air Mask HD for rimfire, and a Rugged Obsidian 45 for pistols.

www.silencershop.com

Dead Air Nomad-30

At a scant 14 ounces, the Dead Air Nomad 30 boasts a direct thread mount that is easily interchanged with a Key-Mo Adapter that will allow the Nomad to be used on any Dead Air muzzle device.
www.silencershop.com www.silencershop.com
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Dead Air Nomad-L

The Dead Air Nomad L is the lengthened version of the popular Dead Air Nomad-30.
www.silencershop.com www.silencershop.com
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Dead Air Sandman-S

The Dead Air Sandman-S is the shorter version suppressor in Dead Air’s notorious Sandman 7.62mm silencer line, at 6.8 inches long and 17.7 ounces.
www.silencershop.com www.silencershop.com
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Sandman-S FDE

The Dead Air Sandman-S FDE weighs 17.7 ounces and a 6.8-inch length, providing a compact, maneuverable addition to your rifle host.
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CGS Hyperion

The CGS Hyperion is a rifle suppressor built for impressive sound reduction. At just 15.1 ounces, with a 9.5-inch length, the Hyperion is constructed of titanium for a light weight yet highly durable silencer.
www.silencershop.com www.silencershop.com
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YHM Resonator R2

Buy the YHM Resonator R2, a low cost 30caliber silencer made entirely of 17-4 PH stainless steel. This silencer is built for longevity and durability.
www.silencershop.com www.silencershop.com
 
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AngryKoala said:
Looking for opinions on 308 suppressors for a 14.5 or 16" 308 "battle" rifle. Durability, repeatability and minimal back pressure are my goals for this can.

I was looking at the TBAC and CGS offerings but I'm not sure how titanium would hold up for that use.
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If you wanted a cgs helios qd @HansohnBrothers has an excellent price on them right now.

Sandman s
Nomad 30
Dominus sr
Surefire RC2
Helios qd
Omega 300


If back pressure is your main concern

OSS
 
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Clayman said:
If you wanted a cgs helios qd @HansohnBrothers has an excellent price on them right now.

Sandman s
Nomad 30
Dominus sr
Surefire RC2
Helios qd
Omega 300


If back pressure is your main concern

OSS
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Yea I saw that. 40% off right now on CGS website using code SEP2021 (little cheaper than hansohn). After looking at the table I'm thinking the helios is the way to go. I have a dominus SR already on back order but I won't get that in my hands until 2024 after backorder/stamp approval so the helios will be available sooner.
 
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AngryKoala said:
Yea I saw that. 40% off right now on CGS website using code SEP2021 (little cheaper than hansohn). After looking at the table I'm thinking the helios is the way to go. I have a dominus SR already on back order but I won't get that in my hands until 2024 after backorder/stamp approval so the helios will be available sooner.
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The Dominus SR is in stock at a few places.

Where did you come across that coupon code?
 
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AngryKoala said:
Reddit and I used a certificate on the SR so factory direct.
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The Ti version is out in 1 week. It won't be as durable as the inconel version but as long as you aren't getting it over 800⁰f you'll be good and at nearly half the weight.

Jay and the guys at gbrs have been beating on these pretty good without issue.

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Clayman said:
The Ti version is out in 1 week. It won't be as durable as the inconel version but as long as you aren't getting it over 800⁰f you'll be good and at nearly half the weight.

Jay and the guys at gbrs have been beating on these pretty good without issue.

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I can't imagine myself hitting that temp and I bet that suppressor will be OOS as soon as its released.
 
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Clayman said:
The Ti version is out in 1 week. It won't be as durable as the inconel version but as long as you aren't getting it over 800⁰f you'll be good and at nearly half the weight.

Jay and the guys at gbrs have been beating on these pretty good without issue.

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I was also looking at the 22 suppressor CGS has but that damn thing looks like a unicorns penis. Not sure why they didn't cerakote or use a different coating (yes I know cerakote fades badly on suppressors).
 
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AngryKoala said:
I was also looking at the 22 suppressor CGS has but that damn thing looks like a unicorns penis. Not sure why they didn't cerakote or use a different coating (yes I know cerakote fades badly on suppressors).
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I have a Dead Air mask and don't really have any intention on buying anything else rimfire anytime soon.

I was going to purchase the cgs siren but they had an issue with the epoxy on the carbon fiber tube from what I've read so they stopped making them.
 
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Clayman said:
I have a Dead Air mask and don't really have any intention on buying anything else rimfire anytime soon.

I was going to purchase the cgs siren but they had an issue with the epoxy on the carbon fiber tube from what I've read so they stopped making them.
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The TBAC takedown is also on my radar but those go OOS quickly.
 
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AngryKoala said:
The TBAC takedown is also on my radar but those go OOS quickly.
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I love my Dead Air Mask HD. The Energetic Armament NYX also looks nice, as well as the OSS and TBAC 22 cans. I'm interested in adding one of those as well since I now have added several threaded .22LR weapons to the collection. Might get another Mask HD.
 
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It is nice to see all the Pew Science support here. Thankful for a new wave of suppressor efficacy reporting. OP, if you have the time to sort through the data presented by him, it'll probably narrow a few things down for you.

I'm personally running a SF 762 RC2 on my 16 inch Larue 762 UU kit. I also put it on another system as well. I am a fan of the SF for many reasons, but it is no weight weenie.

OP - are you able to get some indoor/outdoor testing with any of them? Maybe you have some range/club friends that can help you make some decisions?

Some guys here mentioning the soon-to-be-released CGS Helios QD Ti which will no doubt be absolutely stellar, but that $1650 price tag is a bit steep for me. Yes, you get a couple of endcaps and muzzle devices, but still.
 
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TheGerman said:
Does anyone finally make a 30 cal can that will make 7.62x51 hearing safe?

Or are we still participating in the race between which comes first; that, or time travel?
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On what host?

The CGS Hyperion is the quietest 30 cal can currently tested by a decent margin.

TBAC Ultra 9 gen 2
Nomad L
Otter Creek Labs PR30L

All of these should be good to go on a bolt gun.
 
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AngryKoala said:
Yea,

A DA mask is on the horizon.
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You'll love it. 👍🏼

Also, if you want a lightweight .30 caliber can with awesome sound suppression for precision and hunting bolt-actions, the Dead Air Nomad-LT gets a huge recommendation from me. Love mine! If it's going on an AR or semi-auto, then I would get the regular Nomad-L (stainless version). It's a bit heavier, but it's tougher and can handle more abuse. On a bolt-action or hunting rifle where weight savings are more important, but you still want all the same sound suppression, go with the Nomad-LT. 👍🏼
 
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MudRunner2005 said:
You'll love it. 👍🏼

Also, if you want a lightweight .30 caliber can with awesome sound suppression for precision and hunting bolt-actions, the Dead Air Nomad-LT gets a huge recommendation from me. Love mine! If it's going on an AR or semi-auto, then I would get the regular Nomad-L (stainless version). It's a bit heavier, but it's tougher and can handle more abuse. On a bolt-action or hunting rifle where weight savings are more important, but you still want all the same sound suppression, go with the Nomad-LT. 👍🏼
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Nomad LT, hyperion and ultra are on the list but filling out the NFA portfolio on what I have first. If the damn appraisers would finish the house appraisal I would be worrying about PRS first but right now I don't have the time to travel to shoot at distance and there's nothing really around me for public ranges (that I'm aware of).
 
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crayonpop said:
It is nice to see all the Pew Science support here. Thankful for a new wave of suppressor efficacy reporting. OP, if you have the time to sort through the data presented by him, it'll probably narrow a few things down for you.

I'm personally running a SF 762 RC2 on my 16 inch Larue 762 UU kit. I also put it on another system as well. I am a fan of the SF for many reasons, but it is no weight weenie.

OP - are you able to get some indoor/outdoor testing with any of them? Maybe you have some range/club friends that can help you make some decisions?

Some guys here mentioning the soon-to-be-released CGS Helios QD Ti which will no doubt be absolutely stellar, but that $1650 price tag is a bit steep for me. Yes, you get a couple of endcaps and muzzle devices, but still.
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Unfortunately not, suppressors aren't really a hot commodity and the individuals I know that are running them all pretty much have surefire cans. I was looking at the surefire option (I currently have a couple RC2's in jail) but I don't think they are the best option for civilians.

I mainly ordered them because I have a couple AR's that already have their flash hiders so figured why not. The dominus SR I ordered will be for either a future KAC or a radian build I have planned for later (waiting for a component sale).

I have a wolfman in jail for a pcc. My current want list is the following:

22 can for a tippman
(Probably want a couple more for some 22 rifles I plan on picking up for my son and I). Looked at the hydra but that can color is about the gayest thing I've seen and I've seen two dudes make out in public.

308 can (battle rifle) (ordering a helios and when I find another tbac cert I'll probably order another dominus SR).

A few wolverine suppressors for my aks (already have the extra carriers and 1 out 3 kns pistons).

After all of that is done... whatever platform I choose for PRS will get a can.
 
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AngryKoala said:
Unfortunately not, suppressors aren't really a hot commodity and the individuals I know that are running them all pretty much have surefire cans. I was looking at the surefire option (I currently have a couple RC2's in jail) but I don't think they are the best option for civilians.

I mainly ordered them because I have a couple AR's that already have their flash hiders so figured why not. The dominus SR I ordered will be for either a future KAC or a radian build I have planned for later (waiting for a component sale).
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That is too bad. I agree that the Surefire cans probably are not the best option for most. When I ordered mine, I was suppressor ignorant, and mostly went off experiences from the Military, and a few scant reviews that were out there. I, too, had the muzzle devices already, so it made sense to me at the time.

I have no doubt that you will enjoy the Helios. I would like to order one sooner than later, just waiting for the budgeting/priority list to work its way down. FWIW, I do have a CGS Mod9 SK that I really enjoy, so I have no doubts the Helios will give a similar experience. As with all of the testing that has been done with it, I am positive it'll be a real performer for some time to come.

And that Hydra.......weird color choice indeed.
 
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AngryKoala said:
Nomad LT, hyperion and ultra are on the list but filling out the NFA portfolio on what I have first. If the damn appraisers would finish the house appraisal I would be worrying about PRS first but right now I don't have the time to travel to shoot at distance and there's nothing really around me for public ranges (that I'm aware of).
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I definitely recommend taking a good strong look at that Nomad-LT. 😏👍🏼
 
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AngryKoala said:
So I've only been buying QD, any qualms about direct thread if I'm dedicating the cans anyway? I think I'm needlessly adding cost where I don't have to.
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Direct thread is the way to go for most real life, logical, practical purposes for most people with some exceptions, which in the vast majority of cases do not apply when you're leaving the silencer on one host firearm or using it between multiple host firearms of the same thread type. And depending on the direct thread silencer, some can be used with thread adapters which will let you use it on other thread types.

The whole thing about silencers coming loose when you don't want them to comes from people that use silencers which don't have wrench flats, from people that choose not to use the wrench flats on the silencer when provided, and from those hand tightening not using the SIG 25 deg taper shoulder interface between the silencer and barrel. If you use a wrench to torque the silencer on the barrel using the wrench flats on the silencer then there's no chance it's going to come loose until you want it to come loose. If you use the SIG 25 deg taper interface between the silencer and the barrel and hand tighten it there's no chance it's going to come loose until you want it to come loose.
 
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paco ramirez said:
Direct thread is the way to go for most real life, logical, practical purposes for most people with some exceptions, which in the vast majority of cases do not apply when you're leaving the silencer on one host firearm or using it between multiple host firearms of the same thread type. And depending on the direct thread silencer, some can be used with thread adapters which will let you use it on other thread types.

The whole thing about silencers coming loose when you don't want them to comes from people that use silencers which don't have wrench flats, from people that choose not to use the wrench flats on the silencer when provided, and from those hand tightening not using the SIG 25 deg taper shoulder interface between the silencer and barrel. If you use a wrench to torque the silencer on the barrel using the wrench flats on the silencer then there's no chance it's going to come loose until you want it to come loose. If you use the SIG 25 deg taper interface between the silencer and the barrel and hand tighten it there's no chance it's going to come loose until you want it to come loose.
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Sending you a pm.
 
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We have the Dominus SR in stock and ready to ship (black): https://www.bisontactical.com/shop/thunder-beast-dominus-sr-suppressor/

Regarding the comment on hearing safe, base on conversations with Ray from TBAC that should only be considered with subsonics as the supersonic crack itself is not hearing safe...

Also - from durability standpoint - the SOCOM SURGE test seems to be a particularly good consistent test methodology. The Dominus passed 10 cycles of the SURGE test, so I think its pretty durable for a lightweight suppressor...

One SOCOM/SURGE CYCLE comprises
Mag 1: 1 round/second
Mag 2: 2 rounds/second
Mag 3: 1 round/second
Mag 4: 3-5 round burst
Mag 5: 1 round/second
Mag 6: 2 rounds/second
Mag 7: 1 round/second
Mag 8: 1 continuous burst
 
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redneckbmxer24 said:
Dominis-SR if you want to best. I always buy the best suppressor that’s on the market at the time for my use because they’re not something that’s easy to upgrade when you realize the shortcomings on an inferior product. So they end up as paperweights when you get tired of it and upgrade.
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Regarding having silencer paper weights...

Hey, single item per trust is the solution to this. If you have a single trust, you can add/remove trustees just like a standard trust, but with only (1) item in the trust, you can sell the assets of the trust, then add a new trustee, make them the primary and they can remove you from the trust. Thus being in lawful possession of the assets in the trust, and no need to file any additional form 4's.

The problem you describe is essentially why there is no secondary market for silencers, but if everyone does (1) item per trust, you can transfer the trust in whole...
 
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I use the OSS 762Ti on my POF 308 DI Revolution. Zero impact on function. Can will not come off as the flow through design and direction of the escaping gasses forces it to stay threaded on the muzzle device. You can literally finger tighten the suppressor and it's super easy to get back off. I also use it on a 300 blackout and 5.56. No muzzle restrictions. Within an ounce of other full-sized cans and doesn't add a ton of weight with its partial Ti construction. Dramatically quieter with the can off vs. on. Less gas in the face. Full auto rated. POI shift is repeatable. Really no downsides and actually designed to function on a semi-auto vs. a bolt gun. You won't be disappointed.
 
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