If you overlay these five 10 shot groups, wouldn't the 50 shot average be greater than MOA?Here is a thread I started a while back that didn't gain any traction, but I think it's a good example of what I am personally capable of for 10 rounds at 100 yards (50 consecutive shots):
5X10 100 yard challenge
I have been thinking about starting this up for a while, so I decided to give it a go today to see if it draws any interest. If so maybe we can make it a sticky. Not to take the place of the 6X5 thread which I will keep going as long as there are people who want to shoot it, but rather another...www.snipershide.com
This is one of my better targets from the above thread. It shows that sub moa is very possible @ 100 yards (honesty I demand it from the rifle and ammo).
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Depends on whether you are interested in measuring accuracy, or precision, and what requirements need to be met across "X" number of shots.
what requirements need to be met across "X" number of shots.
I'm pretty sure the internet standard is "all day long".
What? You expected me to leave that one hanging over the net and not go for the spike? C'mon, ya'll know better.
I'm pretty sure the internet standard is "all day long".
What? You expected me to leave that one hanging over the net and not go for the spike? C'mon, ya'll know better.
Funny, much like my thoughts on supersonic transition and it's effect on the 22lr,
I don't believe free-floated is a rule, only a suggestion.
You ought to see some of the other more ridiculous setups I've built.
What annoys folks, is they work.
Minimizes barrel harmonics and provides a stable platform.
My lack of ability does not interfere with results.
It comes down to cartridge quality and wind effects.
Go take a gander at jbell's rimfire 6x5.
My results at 100 and 200 yards with barrel block rigs are in there.
As a side benefit, you ought to see the looks I get.
For some reason folks seem to leave me plenty of space at the range.
Works well in this time of "social distancing".
I wonder how this rig does?
or this one?
Seems a few folks don't think free floated is all that important, eh?
I don't believe free-floated is a rule, only a suggestion.
You ought to see some of the other more ridiculous setups I've built.
What annoys folks, is they work.
Minimizes barrel harmonics and provides a stable platform.
My lack of ability does not interfere with results.
It comes down to cartridge quality and wind effects.
Go take a gander at jbell's rimfire 6x5.
My results at 100 and 200 yards with barrel block rigs are in there.
As a side benefit, you ought to see the looks I get.
For some reason folks seem to leave me plenty of space at the range.
Works well in this time of "social distancing".
I wonder how this rig does?
or this one?
Seems a few folks don't think free floated is all that important, eh?
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Every theory is only a suggestion. Lol
I had a rail gun with a barrel block. Never shot with any lot of any ammo as well as it did when I got ride of the barrel block and free floated the barrel. The barrel was .900 diameter
I had a rail gun with a barrel block. Never shot with any lot of any ammo as well as it did when I got ride of the barrel block and free floated the barrel. The barrel was .900 diameter
Probably, I didn't intend to say that all 50 rounds are sub moa but rather 10 round sub moa at 100 yards with a 22 lr is absolutely repeatable. The center of the group is all on me, I'm not consistently rebuilding my position exactly the same way each time I changed targets so the POI shifts some.
Exactly. I'm off the opinion that you can not have true accuracy without having precision first.
Today’s results. I put the Vudoo in a T4 to match my Quad to make it as consistent rest as I could. While better, it’s still not where I think it should be. Maybe my expectations are too high.
Admittedly I don't know y'er range G.
But looking at the changing patterns you ended up with,
if you were producing those results at the range I play at
my immediate thought is localized turbulence.
Not just a vertical spin but also an adjacent horizontal spin.
I've seen it in my cheap wind flags.
Left, right, up and diagonal down at different intervals and varying speeds.
Annoying as heck. Local bench competitor will walk the range with a big incense stick burning.
His method of finding odd swirls.
But looking at the changing patterns you ended up with,
if you were producing those results at the range I play at
my immediate thought is localized turbulence.
Not just a vertical spin but also an adjacent horizontal spin.
I've seen it in my cheap wind flags.
Left, right, up and diagonal down at different intervals and varying speeds.
Annoying as heck. Local bench competitor will walk the range with a big incense stick burning.
His method of finding odd swirls.
I do that with my cigar. So groups I had to adjust my poa so I wouldn’t have the groups touch or over lap.
I saw y'er shift in aimpoints G.
I meant the actual shape change of the patterns.Some run vertical, others show lateral spread.
A couple have that annoying inclined pattern I know all too well.
My 50 shot patterns get those under certain wind conditions.
Intersecting side berms funnel the wind and ruin my day.
I meant the actual shape change of the patterns.Some run vertical, others show lateral spread.
A couple have that annoying inclined pattern I know all too well.
My 50 shot patterns get those under certain wind conditions.
Intersecting side berms funnel the wind and ruin my day.
That is my point. If you don’t have precision (small groups) then you don’t have accuracy, no matter how well the center of the group is centered on the POA. If you can’t hold 1 MOA then you can’t repeatedly hit a half MOA target.
What is this referred to as when the "shooter" isn't involved in the shot? Is there a term for this particular kind of setup?Funny, much like my thoughts on supersonic transition and it's effect on the 22lr,
I don't believe free-floated is a rule, only a suggestion.
You ought to see some of the other more ridiculous setups I've built.
What annoys folks, is they work.
Minimizes barrel harmonics and provides a stable platform.
My lack of ability does not interfere with results.
It comes down to cartridge quality and wind effects.
Go take a gander at jbell's rimfire 6x5.
My results at 100 and 200 yards with barrel block rigs are in there.
As a side benefit, you ought to see the looks I get.
For some reason folks seem to leave me plenty of space at the range.
Works well in this time of "social distancing".
I wonder how this rig does?
or this one?
Seems a few folks don't think free floated is all that important, eh?
Free recoil is allowing the rifle to slide back so as to produce the exact same motion every time.
Works well with an F-Class bipod.
No cheek weld, minimal shoulder contact.
Those mechanical all-in-one barrel block setups are called rail guns.
Heavy platforms where ammo quality and wind reading skills determine results during competition.
Works well with an F-Class bipod.
No cheek weld, minimal shoulder contact.
Those mechanical all-in-one barrel block setups are called rail guns.
Heavy platforms where ammo quality and wind reading skills determine results during competition.
^^^^THIS. By the very definitions, the two are related, not sure how they're discussed or practiced as individual components.
MB
And the ranges are 50 and 100 meters, not yards. So 54.7 and 109.3 yards respectively, outside edge to outside edge. Harder than 50/100 yards C-to-C.
The only time I separate precision and accuracy is load testing.... precision being defined (for my purposes) as how small a group, and accuracy as hitting the bullseye.
I will "zero" off the bullseye so I don't obliterate the aiming point I'm using.
But once I've got my group size where I want , I re-zero to the bullseye.
I thought everybody did this. LOL
I will "zero" off the bullseye so I don't obliterate the aiming point I'm using.
But once I've got my group size where I want , I re-zero to the bullseye.
I thought everybody did this. LOL
Finally got to put the calipers on my dots. Keep in mind, I would give a tolerance of +/- .010" on each measurement. Some groups are easier to measure than others with the caliper. That's why I like to just keep is simple and measure with a ruler. With my shooting conditions/environment, measuring to the 1/16th is good enough for me and the rifles I shoot.
Paper plates?
Clean bullet hole outlines, cheaper than card stock.
Water resistant on rainy days and plenty of 'em in the pantry.
Nice round bright circle for when using peep sights.
Easy to see at 100/200 yards.
Clean bullet hole outlines, cheaper than card stock.
Water resistant on rainy days and plenty of 'em in the pantry.
Nice round bright circle for when using peep sights.
Easy to see at 100/200 yards.
Thanks to all.I never understood using paper plates....
Nice groups, tho.
I use the plates for several reasons, justin amateur hit on a few of them. Other reasons are consistency/same target used all the time, They are always on hand when I take a notion to shoot. Oh yeah, they stack good too.
well they are not pretty - but they add to the collection
this first one was shot 'round robin' one shot in each target until they all had 10. At least I'm (sometimes) consistent in my errors ...
Here's another one - i was messing with my position for group 5. not feeling any wiser ;-)
this first one was shot 'round robin' one shot in each target until they all had 10. At least I'm (sometimes) consistent in my errors ...
Here's another one - i was messing with my position for group 5. not feeling any wiser ;-)
My Ignorance in plain sight I ask.... What is the rifle? I see but don't understand the rifle....
sorry ! its a Sig Sauer STR 200 with a .22 lr conversion instead of the normal 6.5x 55.
She looks like this:
