Re: SemiAuto, 6 groups, 5shot each, 30 round SHOOTOUT!
thanks gotgoodgroups... i think you're correct, it is much harder to run a .308 in comparison to a .223 for example semi-auto IMO. Looking forward to your results!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GotGoodGroups</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is probably the best thread I have seen on any gun forum. Most forums are full of the big all day long claims. It is amusing how quiet many folks are now. I hope this thread lasts as long as the forum. I have heard guys make claims at the range where their gun can put bullets through the same hole at 200 yards regularly. When they get their target there is a 2"-3" spread between holes. That isn't bad but that's not through the same hole. ;-) I have witnessed this many times.
My limited experience has shown that it is much harder to shoot a good group with 308 than a 223. Some might attribute that to recoil. Perhaps? My thinking is that heat is the bigger factor. My Armalite 10T, with the national match trigger and 20" stainless barrel, I have shot "some" great groups around 0.5" and many less than 1.0". I however can't do it consistently nor all day long. I struggle to do it. The best groups I have shot, I took 5 minutes between shots and did a light barrel cleaning every 2 or 3 shots. I have shot good groups where I didn't clean in 15 shots. The reason I did testing where I cleaned every shot, is that I had 4 trips to the range where the very first shot was a bullseye.(dead center) This is what lead me to the heat theory.
In contrast like another poster, I have a Stag Arms Model 6 AR15 where I get good accuracy regularly without struggling too much. I am shocked at the accuracy / dollar spent. It often (not always) can repeatedly shoot sub 1 MOA groups and sometimes less than 0.5". The sad thing is that it cost 50% of my Armalite.(again not claiming all day long every day....some really good days and many more good days that the Armalite in 308)
Recently I have been considering buying a 308 bolt gun because I believed that it would give me better accuracy. Research is beginning to lead me to believe that with a lot of these bolt guns, the claims are greatly exaggerated also. Yes, there are some great custom competition guns out there. Their owners probably went through a lot of pain to get there.
Slowly I am beginning to believe that other than the shooter the biggest factor in accuracy is the barrel. Of course one has to find the right ammo for that barrel. I think if one is to put together a gun, most of the money should go into the barrel. Yeah a bad stock can cause weirdness (no disagreement). Without a really good barrel you are beat before you get out of the gate.
I am hoping this thread starts to reveal a pattern so that we can invest our money more wisely.
As far as my Stag Arms gun goes, I don't think I could shoot any better with a gun that costs 4 times as much. My problem is that I want to do the same with a 308.
I hope to get some groups to post as soon as I get a non-windy day. To do the Armalite groups, it will take me multiple hours. ;-)
I hope to post some 10/22 T groups also. I am not hoping to be in the top but would be thrilled to be somewhere in the middle.
The really nice thing about all this, is that I believe people are being honest about the challenge and it helps us all be better informed consumers.
--Dan </div></div>
