$15,000 r700
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Without a barrel date code... just a guess. But looks like a Vietnam Era Model 700. Somebody must know what it is... because 49 bids put it up to the 15K mark.
Interesting... KraigWY probably can give us some insight.
Cheers and nice catch,
SIrhr
Interesting... KraigWY probably can give us some insight.
Cheers and nice catch,
SIrhr
It looks to me that somebody is thinking this is a return -A1 or A3 action. Six million serial number puts that rifle at least in the late '70's if not in the '80's.
Completely ridiculous that it got up this high, the rifle has a ton of issues. Hope the bidders know what they're buying. Here's what I wrote over at the CMP forum (wonder if that thread identifying it as an M40 was the catalyst for the crazy bidding):
There are multiple issues with the gun and it's definitely not worth $5k+. That being said, the money is going to a great organization and a worthy cause. I just want prospective bidders to know what they're getting into before they drop big bucks on this item.
What you're buying at this auction is essentially just the receiver, since the other parts have been messed with or are missing (satin black Redfield scope). The serial number puts this gun right with all the other known 6257xxx rifles, so at least the receiver is good to go.
The stock is missing the original metal buttplate (part # 16601) and has a rubber pad installed. It is impossible to know when and why this modification was done, it could even have been put on there for a shooting team member as opposed to a sniper. The stock also appears to have a brass pin pressed in on the top of the grip directly behind the receiver. This would have been done by an armorer trying to fix a crack in the stock. I'd imagine you might have issues with this if you were to actually shoot the rifle on a regular basis. The action and the first inch or so of the barrel have also been bedded to the stock.
Looking closely at the pics, I don't see any barrel markings, so it's also possible that the barrel has been cut down and re-chambered or it's a replacement. There is also a ton of rust on the crown, which means that the inside of the barrel is probably rusty and/or pitted. I doubt this rifle would shoot very well. The recoil lug is also unusually thick, definitely something that was added when the rifle was re-barreled.
The base is a Redfield 700SA, which are pretty common. This is correct for the later 7 digit rifles, but aren't anywhere near as valuable as the original 40X bases that the 6 digit rifles had. The rifle is also missing it's scope, which should be a satin black Redfield 3-9x. However, glossy black Redfield scopes from the same time period are easy to come by and can be used to complete the set (tokiwartooth on the forum can also anodize the scope in a matte finish if need be).
I'd rather get one with a scope and negotiate the price down - http://www.gunsinternational.com/gun...n_id=100604279
Here's an original 6 digit M40 for sale (overpriced) - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/709507401
There are multiple issues with the gun and it's definitely not worth $5k+. That being said, the money is going to a great organization and a worthy cause. I just want prospective bidders to know what they're getting into before they drop big bucks on this item.
What you're buying at this auction is essentially just the receiver, since the other parts have been messed with or are missing (satin black Redfield scope). The serial number puts this gun right with all the other known 6257xxx rifles, so at least the receiver is good to go.
The stock is missing the original metal buttplate (part # 16601) and has a rubber pad installed. It is impossible to know when and why this modification was done, it could even have been put on there for a shooting team member as opposed to a sniper. The stock also appears to have a brass pin pressed in on the top of the grip directly behind the receiver. This would have been done by an armorer trying to fix a crack in the stock. I'd imagine you might have issues with this if you were to actually shoot the rifle on a regular basis. The action and the first inch or so of the barrel have also been bedded to the stock.
Looking closely at the pics, I don't see any barrel markings, so it's also possible that the barrel has been cut down and re-chambered or it's a replacement. There is also a ton of rust on the crown, which means that the inside of the barrel is probably rusty and/or pitted. I doubt this rifle would shoot very well. The recoil lug is also unusually thick, definitely something that was added when the rifle was re-barreled.
The base is a Redfield 700SA, which are pretty common. This is correct for the later 7 digit rifles, but aren't anywhere near as valuable as the original 40X bases that the 6 digit rifles had. The rifle is also missing it's scope, which should be a satin black Redfield 3-9x. However, glossy black Redfield scopes from the same time period are easy to come by and can be used to complete the set (tokiwartooth on the forum can also anodize the scope in a matte finish if need be).
I'd rather get one with a scope and negotiate the price down - http://www.gunsinternational.com/gun...n_id=100604279
Here's an original 6 digit M40 for sale (overpriced) - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/709507401
Yep, I bet someone thinks that it's an A1 prototype or something, ploblem is trying to document it as such. Remington's serial number system changed after the 1968 GCA, so this rifle is from 1969 or 1970.
Something strange with it. In 1966 at the original purchase, Remington was only up to the 200,000's I believe they were in the one milions by the end of the decade. The reason I remember that range of serial numbers was that was an advertising campaign they had in the late seventies when I was in high school. [added:] My .243 that I bought in 1978 didn't have that high of a number. But, it had been sitting in a store for a while, that was going out of business.
Is it possible, the rifle was one of a run, that kept the serial number range, but didn't have the GCA letter if it went to an agency? Custom shop? Possibly an export, that got returned to the U.S.?
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USMCSGT0331,
Thanks for that link! I get amazed at how jumpy these bidders get. Even if it is for a good cause.
Anyhow, if you follow the link that random guy gives, it takes you to mescabugs post that has numbers before and after 6257223. That off of a given list of new 700's purchased for -A1's.
[Added:]
Duh!...didn't think to copy the list:
from mescabug,
7-digit receiver documented M40/M700 rifles
06-22-2015, 08:25 AM
I thought I'd share some info about the 7-digits M40/M700 rifles I gathered thru the years.
All the hype is about finding 6-digits receivers, but there is 7-digits rifles as well.
Initial batch of 700 6-digits were all made in 1966 as per the Marine Corps order. Then the 7-digits started sometimes in 68?? A small quantity of the rifles made after the initial contract went to the USMC, the others to the US Navy and Air Force, and maybe other military or LE organizations.
87 were made in 68
137 in 69
8 in 70
1 in 1971
6257207 WS Aug 1969 (Senich book)
6257208 (Currently aunctioned at the CMP, Nov 25th 2015) ???
6257227 DS Sept 1969 (Not sure...)
6257237 (DS Sept 1969, more info to come)
6257239 (Sold at CMP 9/20/2014)
6257257 (Converted to M24-ish?. Need information. Pictures posted by Marty Bordson)
6257276 DS Sept 1969 (Senich book)
6257284 (Sold by Rock Island Auction for 13000$ - 2009 or 2010?)
6257259 (Sold at CMP 11/7/2010)
6257301 (Barreled action sold at CMP 1/24/2010)
6257333 (Need information. Pictures posted by Marty Bordson)
6257338 (Loaned to thee US Army Marksmanship Training UNIT - AMU - for suppressor tests. Fort Benning, Georgia, Feb 17, 1970)
6257341 (????)
If anybody can add more info/pictures of those or others 7-digits rifles, that would be very much appreciated.
6257207
6257208
6257227
Thanks for that link! I get amazed at how jumpy these bidders get. Even if it is for a good cause.
Anyhow, if you follow the link that random guy gives, it takes you to mescabugs post that has numbers before and after 6257223. That off of a given list of new 700's purchased for -A1's.
[Added:]
Duh!...didn't think to copy the list:
from mescabug,
7-digit receiver documented M40/M700 rifles
06-22-2015, 08:25 AM
I thought I'd share some info about the 7-digits M40/M700 rifles I gathered thru the years.
All the hype is about finding 6-digits receivers, but there is 7-digits rifles as well.
Initial batch of 700 6-digits were all made in 1966 as per the Marine Corps order. Then the 7-digits started sometimes in 68?? A small quantity of the rifles made after the initial contract went to the USMC, the others to the US Navy and Air Force, and maybe other military or LE organizations.
87 were made in 68
137 in 69
8 in 70
1 in 1971
6257207 WS Aug 1969 (Senich book)
6257208 (Currently aunctioned at the CMP, Nov 25th 2015) ???
6257227 DS Sept 1969 (Not sure...)
6257237 (DS Sept 1969, more info to come)
6257239 (Sold at CMP 9/20/2014)
6257257 (Converted to M24-ish?. Need information. Pictures posted by Marty Bordson)
6257276 DS Sept 1969 (Senich book)
6257284 (Sold by Rock Island Auction for 13000$ - 2009 or 2010?)
6257259 (Sold at CMP 11/7/2010)
6257301 (Barreled action sold at CMP 1/24/2010)
6257333 (Need information. Pictures posted by Marty Bordson)
6257338 (Loaned to thee US Army Marksmanship Training UNIT - AMU - for suppressor tests. Fort Benning, Georgia, Feb 17, 1970)
6257341 (????)
If anybody can add more info/pictures of those or others 7-digits rifles, that would be very much appreciated.
6257207
6257208
6257227
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