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.22 creedmoor fad or just starting

Mj30wilson900

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    Curious what the consensus is on this cartridge. Fad or just starting to break out of its shell. I don’t see wide spread adoption as many states have outlawed it for deer hunting and lack of weight may inhibit it for long range and wind. What do you all think?

    I want either a 6 or 22 creed.
     
    I don’t know about the fad part, but I have a 22 creedmoor and I like it. Basically no recoil and in my experience very easy to load for. I use 80.5 Bergers and they are good for anything deer and down. I have a 6 as well but it is a heavy rifle for target shooting. I’ve never shot the 22 past 700 yards but out to there it does well. The 6 is great for banging steel out to 1000 yards with Berger 105, never shot animals with it. I don’t think you can go wrong with either. If I could only keep 1 I would keep the 22
     
    2nd barrel here, rl26 really was the ticket in this cartridge, too bad it’s mia. I’ll be experimenting with h4350 next.
    I’m swapping 22 and 6 creed barrels right now in this origin action, when ones done I change to the other, both are excellent. If match shooting 6, if recreation shooting 22.
     
    2nd barrel here, rl26 really was the ticket in this cartridge, too bad it’s mia. I’ll be experimenting with h4350 next.
    I’m swapping 22 and 6 creed barrels right now in this origin action, when ones done I change to the other, both are excellent. If match shooting 6, if recreation shooting 22.
    N555/rl23 do better than H4350 with heavy bullets. N560 may work too as it's higher energy than 555, but not nearly as temp stable. H4350 is a good powder for small SD and accuracy, but velocity is far from what this case is capable of. I have an 18in barrel running 43gr N555 at 3100 currently with 88s. Shoots pretty decent.
     
    Any good pre-fits out there? Looking to put one together and it seems like they aren't very popular yet.
    Depends on your choice of action... Lots of prefits can be built to order by most reputable smiths these days. And most of these newer actions are so concentric that you can build them at home with an action wrench, barrel vise, a torque wrench, and a set of Go/No-Go gauges.
     
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    I think it is going to be here awhile. I am putting one together. I specifically was looking for a fast/flat low recoil cartridge for shooting at night, and preferred a 22 caliber. The funny thing is that despite being the new kid on the block, brass is just as easy to find with better brand selection than other calibers like 22-250 or 220 Swift.
     
    Any good pre-fits out there? Looking to put one together and it seems like they aren't very popular yet.

    i have mine setup with a WTO switchlug on a lone peak. just about anyone can do a prefit that has the dimensions of the switchlug and an action with tight enough tolerance to take prefits anyway. its not hard. i have 3 barrels for mine
     
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    They’re absolutely violent on big game animals. I’m on number 3 now and I’m completely sold on it for everything.
    My rifle with 88 eldms killed a big buck and Alaskan moose this year. Unfortunately I was blowing up primers from the extremely wet conditions and didn’t get to use my rifle on the moose I took. (FYI guns build way more pressure wet!)
     
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    They’re absolutely violent on big game animals. I’m on number 3 now and I’m completely sold on it for everything.
    My rifle with 88 eldms killed a big buck and Alaskan moose this year
    No kidding. I know there has been a big push on the "small caliber for big animal" train lately, but I never would have thought Moose. I killed quite a few cow elk with a 6 Creed and 108 ELD-M, they do have the potential for some quick killing. The only thing I didn't like about that combo was there was usually a tremendous amount of bloodshot meat, and about 1/2 the animals I shot I would find bullet fragments from the butthole to their neck even if shot behind the shoulder. Other bullets I recovered with a perfect mushroom and the bullet retained 60-70% of it's weight. Go figure.
     
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    They’re absolutely violent on big game animals. I’m on number 3 now and I’m completely sold on it for everything.
    My rifle with 88 eldms killed a big buck and Alaskan moose this year. Unfortunately I was blowing up primers from the extremely wet conditions and didn’t get to use my rifle on the moose I took. (FYI guns build way more pressure wet!)
    Frick now I've gotta shoot a deer with mine.
    I'm on my second barrel as well. I like the round but it sure cooks barrels quick so depends how much you want to shoot it. I mainly only shoot coyotes with it now but I used to bang steel with it also. I'm considering giving up on the 22 creed and turning that rifle into a dasher.
     
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    Trends will come and go. Unfortunately, my old ass has now been around long enough to see the cycle a couple of times in the shooting/hunting worlds.

    I think that the 22CM would be about as awesome as they get for coyote (provided you don't want the pelts), and even antelope. It should be a fine killer for deer with good bullets and placement. I've killed 50 to 100 hogs - some big damn boars included - with the lowly .223/5.56. You just have to be more conscious about the bullet, angle, and distance.

    Personally, since I've come back to the 6CM I don't have much use for the even smaller brother. I still use larger calibers for the relatively-easy-to-kill whitetails around here, but I don't like tracking in the thick brush this area is covered with. That matters a lot too.

    I think that the 22CM will be around for a while. Dudes have been making fast-twist .22-250s for a while still.
     
    With Hornady making brass for the 25CM I think it's only a matter of time until that one becomes a factory loading too so throwing that into the mix. I absolutely love my 6 CM and will not switch until this barrel is done for (night coyote hunt but never know what else might need to be shot). Out of a short action the 6 CM and 6.5 PRC really check a lot of boxes
     
    Not being facetious, but what can a .22CM do that a 6CM cannot do? Brass availablility aside, what can a .22CM do a .22WSSM cannot do?

    BTW, I don't hunt.....
    With a 22 Creed you get a fair bit more velocity out of equal BC bullets. For just shooting steel it's not a big enough difference to care but for smashing yotes where distance is changing the extra speed helps make up for range error
     
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    Here’s the moose I mentioned above. I’ve seen enough deer this moose and heard about enough elk to have no doubts in the ability of a fast 22 cal with the right bullets to kill any big game animal on this continent.
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    An 88 eldm will physically remove a lung from the chest cavity of a big deer.
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    They’re absolutely violent on big game animals. I’m on number 3 now and I’m completely sold on it for everything.
    My rifle with 88 eldms killed a big buck and Alaskan moose this year. Unfortunately I was blowing up primers from the extremely wet conditions and didn’t get to use my rifle on the moose I took. (FYI guns build way more pressure wet!)
    Just a suggestion... have you considered putting electrical tape over your muzzle to keep water/mist/snow/muck out of your bbl?
    I agree on real bad days it is tough to load/unload while protecting the action, but it is easy to keep the muzzle and bbl clear the rest of the time.
     
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    Just a suggestion... have you considered putting electrical tape over your muzzle to keep water/mist/snow/muck out of your bbl?
    I agree on real bad days it is tough to load/unload while protecting the action, but it is easy to keep the muzzle and bbl clear the rest of the time.
    I had tape over the muzzle. I was even wrapping the action with a trash bag. We were crossing rivers and streams. It was impossible to keep anything dry. I learned a valuable lesson in running way lower pressure loads. An extra 50 or 100 ft./s doesn’t matter anywhere near as much as a reliable load that’s safe.
     
    Gotcha.
    Yes, pretty tough to stay dry in that part of the world.

    The corollary to the muzzle tape, is the Rapid-Rod. That's the cleaning rod that breaks down into little sections and is very packable.

    It has saved many guns and hunts, including my own.

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    On the smaller cartridge thread.... During The Cold War, I met many NATO colleagues from Euro countries that hunted moose with 6.5 Swede and some even smaller cartridges, which surprised most of us.

    To keep this short, in those days for a middle class person to hunt in that part of the world... meant they had to prove proficiency for the privilege and almost all of my friends that I got to know personally were expert riflemen and hunters.

    It showed me that it was very much The Indian and not just The Arrow that mattered when it came to killing large animals. We as American kids thought we knew something about shooting... only to see how much better shots those folks were on average.

    Most of us smirked when they showed is their puny little cartridges and we were all about thinking 30-06 was too small.... you needed a 300 WM or 7mm Mag... They smiled and knew us well enough. They waited till there was enough down time for the personal shooting to come up and blew some minds.

    If you saw how many folks we have that show up at our National Matches at Camp Perry every year and considered gun ownership in America/Canada.... then saw how many factors more folks show up for the National Matches in Sweden or Switzerland, you would get the picture.

    Folks in the northern parts of Europe who hunt moose have been doing it with smaller cartridges all along. Of course, they don't have wolves and grizzlies around every corner either. A 22 CM can penetrate with enough energy to do the terminal ballistics job without a doubt. As always, you have to bring the right bullet and skills to the party.

    Congrats on your moose.

    To the OP, my standard answer is... Life can be short... if you want a 22 CM or a 6 CM, get both.
     
    Shot placement and bullet construction will always be king in harvesting game. The flat trajectory of the 22CM as mentioned a few posts above for hitting coyotes at ever-changing distances is a huge bonus.

    I still think that there is going to have to be more buy-in from the firearms manufacturers though. I just looked on Gunbroker - (28) examples of the 22CM for sale and that is it... Horizon or Fierce. 6 Creedmoor has (630), .22-250 has (1,321) etc... At this point, it is essentially custom rifle and nearly custom cartridge. Is it going to offer enough to convert hunters from multiple species? Maybe. However, definitely I don't foresee this being a popular PRS/target cartridge due to barrel life.
     
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    Shot placement and bullet construction will always be king in harvesting game. The flat trajectory of the 22CM as mentioned a few posts above for hitting coyotes at ever-changing distances is a huge bonus.

    I still think that there is going to have to be more buy-in from the firearms manufacturers though. I just looked on Gunbroker - (28) examples of the 22CM for sale and that is it... Horizon or Fierce. 6 Creedmoor has (630), .22-250 has (1,321) etc... At this point, it is essentially custom rifle and nearly custom cartridge. Is it going to offer enough to convert hunters from multiple species? Maybe. However, definitely I don't foresee this being a popular PRS/target cartridge due to barrel life.
    It'll catch on, until just recently it was a wildcat.
    Anyone who wants a 22-250 would be silly not to consider the 22CM, it'll allow people to shoot heavy bullets in an off the shelf rifle.
     
    It'll catch on, until just recently it was a wildcat.
    Anyone who wants a 22-250 would be silly not to consider the 22CM, it'll allow people to shoot heavy bullets in an off the shelf rifle.

    I expect it to catch on some more. However it has been a known wildcat for several years and we aren't exactly blowing the doors off a year into production. The majority of social media I'm seeing about it - is by guys who try to bring stuff to market first in order to remain relevant (and make money off of clicks). Compare that to the starts of 6.5/7/300 PRC etc... previously from Hornady, and I saw a lot more buzz right off the bat.

    I'm not crapping on the performance of the cartridge at all. There is a niche for it. I think we are all just trying to figure out how wide that niche is.
     
    However, definitely I don't foresee this being a popular PRS/target cartridge due to barrel life.
    Must agree.

    My guess is it will also be due to the recoil/energy level and ability to self-spot as much as bbl life and anything else.

    This one has more appeal to the hunter and casual shooter, but that is also true for many of these higher energy 22 and 6mm choices.

    My guess is it will also boil down to availability/support and economy. If good brass is available, the better 22 bullets usually are too.

    It seems like the 6 Dasher to 6 GT level is about Goldilocks for body supported field position shooting on most courses and weather, with only a few exceptions for days when the higher energy/recoil rigs will shine.

    There will be some play for the 22 to 25 CM without a doubt, but hard to guess if they will become as popular as say a 6 Dasher within the PRS crowds.
     
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    Must agree.

    My guess is it will also be due to the recoil/energy level and ability to self-spot as much as bbl life and anything else.

    This one has more appeal to the hunter and casual shooter, but that is also true for many of these higher energy 22 and 6mm choices.

    My guess is it will also boil down to availability/support and economy. If good brass is available, the better 22 bullets usually are too.

    It seems like the 6 Dasher to 6 GT level is about Goldilocks for body supported field position shooting on most courses and weather, with only a few exceptions for days when the higher energy/recoil rigs will shine.

    There will be some play for the 22 to 25 CM without a doubt, but hard to guess if they will become as popular as say a 6 Dasher within the PRS crowds.

    And my (most likely flawed BTW) logic thinks that the number of guys who would really benefit from the 22CM cartridge (run of the mill coyote hunters etc...) probably don't have the funds to sink into a custom rifle just for one purpose. The PRS crowd damn sure does...but that barrel life (among other things) is going to have them looking elsewhere.

    Right now if you want a 22CM you are most likely building it. If you want ammo, then you're very likely handloading. That is maybe 5-20% of the prospective market. Most dudes - whether we like it or not - are the Who Tee Who type of hunters out there slinging the cheapest factory "boo-lots" that they can find *off the shelf* at their big box sporting goods store. I just looked at Ammoseek and Gunbroker at 22CM availability. It is extremely scarce and expensive compared to what it intends on replacing.

    Again, I am not crapping on the 22CMs lethality. On paper and in certain hunting segments, it makes sense.

    I'm merely thinking (again, probably flawed) that the cost of entry is too high to appeal to the masses necessary to get the cartridge off the ground really. Until I see the Ruger American or Savage Axis offered in 22CM, I don't think that the cartridge has really made it into the mainstream.
     
    I love all things fast 22. I have a 22cm, 22gt, 22br, and all shoot freakin awesome and fast. I have a thinking that everyone is running pretty elevated pressure over saami spec. I look at published data, and I'm WAY over that, but showing no pair signs. I bet that would change in a second if there was moisture present in the chamber.
     
    I love all things fast 22. I have a 22cm, 22gt, 22br, and all shoot freakin awesome and fast. I have a thinking that everyone is running pretty elevated pressure over saami spec. I look at published data, and I'm WAY over that, but showing no pair signs. I bet that would change in a second if there was moisture present in the chamber.
    This is exactly what was going on. I hit pressure at 41 grains backed it down to 40 and it was still shooting an 88 grain ELDM at 3240 witha 22 inch barrel. The problem with modern cartridges and premium brass is that you may not see pressure till your mid 70,000 psi. Backing it down a grain arbitrarily still had me way over pressure but the components and design hid it. A cleaning Rod would’ve done nothing to keep me from blowing primers. It was moisture in the chamber and water on the cartridges. I could’ve cleaned my rifle 30 times a day and it still would’ve been wet minutes later.
     
    I'm merely thinking (again, probably flawed) that the cost of entry is too high to appeal to the masses necessary to get the cartridge off the ground really. Until I see the Ruger American or Savage Axis offered in 22CM, I don't think that the cartridge has really made it into the mainstream.
    I'd bet we see a Ruger American available in 22CM in the near future and likely more offerings in factory ammo that will bring prices down.
     
    Proof offers them for the q fix so they can be ordered for your chosen action through them.

    I'd bet we see a Ruger American available in 22CM in the near future and likely more offerings in factory ammo that will bring prices down.
    Man I really hope so. But if it is that devastating on deer it won’t be as huge as the 6 and 6.5 I fear. More hunter go hunting deer for meat than coyotes hunters.
    Let’s hope that is not the case.
     
    I’m probably the exception but for a year now I can walk into my gun store and there’s 6 or 7 different horizon 22creed rifles on the shelf and both factory 22creed 80gr ammos on the shelf. I’m hoping it continues to gain popularity. I’m about to rebarrel mine, toasted this barrel at 480rounds but I ran it like I stole it. 80gr eldms are cheap and have been good on deer, pigs, and a coyotes.
     
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    I’m probably the exception but for a year now I can walk into my gun store and there’s 6 or 7 different horizon 22creed rifles on the shelf and both factory 22creed 80gr ammos on the shelf. I’m hoping it continues to gain popularity. I’m about to rebarrel mine, toasted this barrel at 480rounds but I ran it like I stole it. 80gr eldms are cheap and have been good on deer, pigs, and a coyotes.
    I would love a vandal but don’t really want to dive into a rifle without swappable barrels.
     
    I have a 26" 22 creed for my AI. My kid loves it. He blew up a lot of pdogs with it shooting 88gr eldms at 3000fps. The load I had ready for deer season was an 85.5 Berger at 3215fps but deer season didn't work out for me this year. I have enough 90gr SMKs on the shelf to shoot this barrel out. I'll probably have another barrel/rifle ready to go before that happens though. It will bit lighter weight though, who wants to pack around a 20# rifle for deer.
     
    The 22 creed might be so cool and all, but it just seems like a hugely inefficient cartridge.

    I was able to get 3000fps with a 130 out of a 24" barrel. And the 22 creed gets that speed out of tiny 80 grainers. My barrel was pretty worn and the throat was very long so I was able to seat bullets long which helped. But still, when you compare what normal 6.5 creed velocities are with say a 90 TNT vs a 22 creed with 90s also, it doesn't make sense to me to burn that much powder for only a few fps gain.

    As a low volume shooting rifle, I can see it. For a high volume rifle, I can't justify changing barrels every 1000 rounds for the performance gained out of it.
     
    The easy button 22 creed is to buy an 8 twist tikka 22-250 and have it opened up to 22 creed. I have 2 that are like that and they shoot comically well. I did an 18 inch one as light as I could set it up and it did a .8 inch 10 round group in load testing.
     
    The 22 creed might be so cool and all, but it just seems like a hugely inefficient cartridge.

    I was able to get 3000fps with a 130 out of a 24" barrel. And the 22 creed gets that speed out of tiny 80 grainers. My barrel was pretty worn and the throat was very long so I was able to seat bullets long which helped. But still, when you compare what normal 6.5 creed velocities are with say a 90 TNT vs a 22 creed with 90s also, it doesn't make sense to me to burn that much powder for only a few fps gain.

    As a low volume shooting rifle, I can see it. For a high volume rifle, I can't justify changing barrels every 1000 rounds for the performance gained out of it.
    Doesn’t make sense for a volume gun.

    130’s at 3k is standing on that load pretty hard. A 22 creed with a 90 should be able to get 3150 ish.

    Not sure who makes that light of a 6.5 bullet but the bc is probably trash on it.

    You do have a point tho, there is other ways to get very close to what the 22CM does. Even a 6 creed with 90’s is really close
     
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    Doesn’t make sense for a volume gun.

    130’s at 3k is standing on that load pretty hard. A 22 creed with a 90 should be able to get 3150 ish.

    Not sure who makes that light of a 6.5 bullet but the bc is probably trash on it.

    You do have a point tho, there is other ways to get very close to what the 22CM does. Even a 6 creed with 90’s is really close

    Right! I'm not saying my 130s at 3000 weren't over pressure. And actually, I take it back. I went over my notes. I got to 2949 with no pressure signs. Never made it to 3000. But still, I'm sure it was somewhat hot.

    All I'm saying is, if a 6.5 can push a 130 at damn near 3000, how fast could I push the 90 TNT (that's great for the 6.5 grendel) in the 6.5 creed? Surely waaaaaaayyyyy faster than a 22 CM can push a 90 even though its the same damn case. I find it very inefficient and would much rather a 22bra or dasher.
    The 90 TNT is made by speer by the way, great little bullet for killing pigs and yotes, not so much for long range shooting.
     
    Right! I'm not saying my 130s at 3000 weren't over pressure. And actually, I take it back. I went over my notes. I got to 2949 with no pressure signs. Never made it to 3000. But still, I'm sure it was somewhat hot.

    All I'm saying is, if a 6.5 can push a 130 at damn near 3000, how fast could I push the 90 TNT (that's great for the 6.5 grendel) in the 6.5 creed? Surely waaaaaaayyyyy faster than a 22 CM can push a 90 even though its the same damn case. I find it very inefficient and would much rather a 22bra or dasher.
    The 90 TNT is made by speer by the way, great little bullet for killing pigs and yotes, not so much for long range shooting.
    This is an apples and oranges comparison. The main draw for me with the 22 Creedmoor is the combination of high velocity pretty good bc and comically light recoil. Not sure if your familiar with the wez calculator but hit probability at range with a 22 creedmoor beats pretty much every other commercially available cartridge on the market. They’re so darn easy to shoot and your virtually guaranteed to see all your impacts
     
    This is an apples and oranges comparison. The main draw for me with the 22 Creedmoor is the combination of high velocity pretty good bc and comically light recoil. Not sure if your familiar with the wez calculator but hit probability at range with a 22 creedmoor beats pretty much every other commercially available cartridge on the market. They’re so darn easy to shoot and your virtually guaranteed to see all your impacts

    How is it apples to oranges? I'm taking two cartridges of different calibers bullets but exact same case and even take same weight projectiles for the comparison.

    I'm not saying it's not easy to shoot or see your impacts. I just think it uses a huge fucking case and burns a shit load of powder for very marginal gains over other 22s lol. It's inefficient.

    The 223ai slings 80s and maybe a few 80+ grainers at 3k fps out of 26" barrels.

    Again, if it's for a hunting build, or some low volume activity, I think its great. I just don't see it as viable for other high volume shooting activities. To each their own though, you can build as many as you want.
     
    The 22 creed might be so cool and all, but it just seems like a hugely inefficient cartridge.

    I was able to get 3000fps with a 130 out of a 24" barrel. And the 22 creed gets that speed out of tiny 80 grainers. My barrel was pretty worn and the throat was very long so I was able to seat bullets long which helped. But still, when you compare what normal 6.5 creed velocities are with say a 90 TNT vs a 22 creed with 90s also, it doesn't make sense to me to burn that much powder for only a few fps gain.

    As a low volume shooting rifle, I can see it. For a high volume rifle, I can't justify changing barrels every 1000 rounds for the performance gained out of it.

    An 80 at 3000? lol. I was pushing 85.5 rdfs at 3400 with rl26 in my first one I got for experimenting. It was literally half the elevation at 500 as my 6.5 shooting 140s. I never once had to hold off a 10” plate at 500 for wind.
    This next barrel I’m pushing 90smk at 3190 just due to prs speed limits. I’m not going to be shooting this very often in a match, because like you I’m poor. But there are some well ranking pros who have done well with the 22 creed and an extra 400 bucks for a blank is a smallish potatoe compared to the flights and fees etc if someone’s really serious and has the abilities to take care of their own stuff.

    People that are worried about shooting a barrel out rarely ever really do. I say let that fear become founded before letting it scare you off.
     
    The 22 creed might be so cool and all, but it just seems like a hugely inefficient cartridge.

    I was able to get 3000fps with a 130 out of a 24" barrel. And the 22 creed gets that speed out of tiny 80 grainers. My barrel was pretty worn and the throat was very long so I was able to seat bullets long which helped. But still, when you compare what normal 6.5 creed velocities are with say a 90 TNT vs a 22 creed with 90s also, it doesn't make sense to me to burn that much powder for only a few fps gain.

    As a low volume shooting rifle, I can see it. For a high volume rifle, I can't justify changing barrels every 1000 rounds for the performance gained out of it.
    I'm running 88s at 3150 from an 18in barrel with N555. 85.5 at same speed from my old 18in barrel. Prior to that I had a 22in that I ran 80s and 77s at 3350-3450.

    Sounds like you have zero experience shooting a 22cm. The 22cm is NOT a target cartridge in my opinion, they're predator/hunting rifles. Want to punch paper with an efficient 22? Build a 26in 22br with 150 freebore and shoot 90s at 2900-3000fps.
     
    An 80 at 3000? lol. I was pushing 85.5 rdfs at 3400 with rl26 in my first one I got for experimenting. It was literally half the elevation at 500 as my 6.5 shooting 140s. I never once had to hold off a 10” plate at 500 for wind.
    This next barrel I’m pushing 90smk at 3190 just due to prs speed limits. I’m not going to be shooting this very often in a match, because like you I’m poor. But there are some well ranking pros who have done well with the 22 creed and an extra 400 bucks for a blank is a smallish potatoe compared to the flights and fees etc if someone’s really serious and has the abilities to take care of their own stuff.

    People that are worried about shooting a barrel out rarely ever really do. I say let that fear become founded before letting it scare you off.

    Oh don't get me wrong. There's been a few who do push the 22cm at insane speeds. I think I've seen on one occasion 3500 to 3700fps (it was a long time and I can't recall exaxtly) with one of the heavier bullets. But I'm mostly seeing lower speeds from most others lol. Just look a few posts above for the 88s at 3000fps example. That's about 22BRA territory.

    A lot are loading it slower and to me, I just don't see it viable that way. That's all. The more I think about it, the more I want that 22bra or dasher lol.
     
    Oh don't get me wrong. There's been a few who do push the 22cm at insane speeds. I think I've seen on one occasion 3500 to 3700fps (it was a long time and I can't recall exaxtly) with one of the heavier bullets. But I'm mostly seeing lower speeds from most others lol. Just look a few posts above for the 88s at 3000fps example. That's about 22BRA territory.

    A lot are loading it slower and to me, I just don't see it viable that way. That's all. The more I think about it, the more I want that 22bra or dasher lol.
    I shoot the 90's at 3200fps and I am super happy with it, absolutely shoots dots. But I've got a hard on for a 6 dasher. I feel what I'll give up BC/Velocity will be made up in barrel life. Once this barrel is toast I plan to switch over
     
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    Right! I'm not saying my 130s at 3000 weren't over pressure. And actually, I take it back. I went over my notes. I got to 2949 with no pressure signs. Never made it to 3000. But still, I'm sure it was somewhat hot.

    All I'm saying is, if a 6.5 can push a 130 at damn near 3000, how fast could I push the 90 TNT (that's great for the 6.5 grendel) in the 6.5 creed? Surely waaaaaaayyyyy faster than a 22 CM can push a 90 even though its the same damn case. I find it very inefficient and would much rather a 22bra or dasher.
    The 90 TNT is made by speer by the way, great little bullet for killing pigs and yotes, not so much for long range shooting.
    Hornady has the 100gr ELD-VT that is listed at 3200 fps out of a 24" barrel.
     
    Right! I'm not saying my 130s at 3000 weren't over pressure. And actually, I take it back. I went over my notes. I got to 2949 with no pressure signs. Never made it to 3000. But still, I'm sure it was somewhat hot.

    All I'm saying is, if a 6.5 can push a 130 at damn near 3000, how fast could I push the 90 TNT (that's great for the 6.5 grendel) in the 6.5 creed? Surely waaaaaaayyyyy faster than a 22 CM can push a 90 even though its the same damn case. I find it very inefficient and would much rather a 22bra or dasher.
    The 90 TNT is made by speer by the way, great little bullet for killing pigs and yotes, not so much for long range shooting.
    I've been shooting 90gr berger vld in my 24" 7tw 22 creed. Original load that shot best was 43.1gr 4831sc@ 3220. It sped up and I had to back down to 42.4 to get down to 3225 again. It sped up again to 3350, downloaded to 40.2gr to sit at 3225fps. No pressure signs on brass at 3350 but I would have a few clickers on bolt opening and 3225fps was crazy accurate and fast enough. I'm at 175rds on the barrel so I hope it's settled in and will maintain that speed till it starts slowing down.
     
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