22 creedmoor

Does anyone have data on midweight projos launched by Varget or something similar? I’m near finished with a build that is geared towards whitetail and I have lots of Varget and lots of Barnes 62gr TSX’s I plan to make use of.
Look at 38-40gns of Varget with the 62 T/TSX. The 65gn Sierra Gameking would be another excellent choice. I run the 69gn Sierra TMK with 39.0gns of Varget and it has performed very well on yotes and whitetails. ~3500fps from 20" 9tw

Hey huckleberry, how was the fur on them yotes? Did ya punch right through or make a explosive mess?
The 80.5 usually leave an exit hole the size of a fifty cent piece on broadside yotes. I shot one yote at 104 steps facing straight to me, in the chest and it totally jelloed the thoracic cavity and did not exit. 69 TMK can be a little messier, especially on broadsides and leaves a big hole in bobcats (ie lots of stitching to fix a grapefruit hole). On whitetails, neither have exited and most have not taken more than 1 step unless the shot was marginal and not the bullets fault.
 
Been doing some load work up to see what kind of speed I might get with different powders.
New Alpha brass, .253 bushing, CCI 450's, 90g SMK's, 26 inch 7tw HH, about .020 off. 75 rounds total at end of testing.
H4350 - --- -- H1000--- -- - RL26 --- -- - IMR4955
36.5=2952 \ 38.5=2849 \ 39.5=2906 \ 39.5=3087
37.0=2962 \ 39.0=2891 \ 40.0=2942 \ 40.0=3151
37.5=3022 \ 39.5=2921 \ 40.5=2970 \ 40.5=3193
38.0=3068 \ 40.0=2942 \ 41.0=3006 \ 41.0=3230
38.5=3094 \ 40.5=2932 \ 41.5=3076 \ 41.5=3271 * heavy bolt lift and ejector mark
39.0=3132 \ 41.0=3019 \ 42.0=3121
39.5=3185 \ 41.5=3048 \ 42.5=3117
\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 42.0=3070
\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 42.5=3072

Going to go a little higher in the H1000 and RL26 . Have some H4831, might try
Guessing the barrel might speed up a little more
Tried some VV165, but gave a weird pulse, like a millisecond delay or a secondary push.
Didn't go any farther with it.
When starting with something new, didn't know where to start or end. Better safe than sorry
 
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Updated results. Decided to go with the 88g ELD-M's
Half as much as the Sierra 90g and close BC #'s

H1000
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41.2g=2978
41.4g=3001
41.6g=3033
41.8g=3030
42.0g=3053
42.2g=3079
42.4g=3095
42.6g=3099
42.8g=3107
43.0g=3115
43.2g=3121


RL26
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41.8g=3120
42.0g=3138
42.2g=3156
42.4g=3170
42.6g=3176
42.8g=3236
43.0g=3223
 
I have never seen a barrel speed up this much. Have 160 rounds now.
Some almost 90fps
RL26, once fired Alpha brass, CCI 450's, .253 bushing. .02 off

41.4g=3192 fps
41.6g=3196
41.8g=3190
42.0g=3229
42.2g=3248
42.4g=3244
42.6g=3300
42.8g=3297
43.0g=3320* no signs of pressure
 
Settled on this load:
Alpha brass, 88g ELD-M, .02 off, 41.7g RL26, CCI 450
100yd. 4 shots, high .1 MOA

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After doing a ladder and the barrel seems to have settled out I ended up with my final load below for the 95 smk

95 SMK
New Lapua 6mm SRP brass
Coal 2.685
Fed 205M
H1000 42.5 grains
3130 FPS

Any feel for how this load hits steel at, say, 1000 or so, yet? Ballistically, it should be carrying more energy at that point than a typical 6 Creed or 6XC load. Energy isn't the only thing that influences ease of spotting, though, obviously.
 
Any feel for how this load hits steel at, say, 1000 or so, yet? Ballistically, it should be carrying more energy at that point than a typical 6 Creed or 6XC load. Energy isn't the only thing that influences ease of spotting, though, obviously.

I could see hits easily at 850 which is the farthest I’ve shot the 22C it wasn’t moving the plates a ton but definitely easy to see the hits.

I have a 6xc and a 6.5C. I would say it’s less that the 6.5C at 600, 800 and 850 but I wasn’t shooting them side by side. I will say it seemed to me that with the 6.5 I could see the steel underneath but with the 6xc and 22C there seemed to be like one or two thin layers of paint left.

With the 6xc and a 110 smk vs the 22C with 95 smk their flight paths are extremely close and preformed very similar. On steel when I shot them both side by side the splash on target was identical to my eyes. The 22C won though because it was a noticeable decrease in recoil even from the 6XC.

The rifles are both identical other than the caliber and weigh in at 18 pounds.
 
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I actually abandoned the RL26. My barrel kept speeding up till I hit over 200 rounds (HawkHill)
I couldn't keep a good shooting group, one here or there. Their was no rhyme or reason to them.
Would load up 3 on either side of a good load and none of the 3 would shoot better than .5
Tried seat depth changes, everything. (one thing at a time)
Kept doing this and knew I had to have past a node, but still nothing. Time to bale.
The RL26 might be the king of speed and I'm sure others here like it. I want something constant.
Ordered some RL23, should come in Wed. Will give it a go. Still have some H1000 if the RL23
doesn't pan out. I want a powder that will give 90% or more fill and some of the others don't do
that. You get speed early(H4350, IMR4955) but not case fill and that can cause fluctuations at distance.
Maybe this barrel is just a test dummy for my next one.
 
Good stuff Ranger188, I wish it was easy.....

My rifle should be done anyday. I'm going blind with the Berger 80.5gr and 42.2 H4350 and cross my fingers. I'm going on a prairie dog hunt July 12th, cutting it close, no time for real testing o_O
 
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The H4350 shot nice, just got a lot of speed early and didn't want to push it. All that speed
usually means heat and barrel wear. I went into this 22 creed hoping for a little longer barrel life
so thats why I went with the slower and cooler burning powders.
I burned up 3 barrels shooting 6 creed at mach speeds, fun but a PITA chasing lands and having to
have a spare barrel ready to screw on.
I wasn't going to shoot the 22 creed as much, so I was hoping to have it around a year or so. (barrel)
We'll see. Always fun trying something new.
Everyone seems to like the 80.5 they say they shoot great.
I just wanted 6br accuracy, high B.C. and 22-250 speed, guess I can't have my cake and eat it too. o_O
 
I actually abandoned the RL26. My barrel kept speeding up till I hit over 200 rounds (HawkHill)
I couldn't keep a good shooting group, one here or there. Their was no rhyme or reason to them.
Would load up 3 on either side of a good load and none of the 3 would shoot better than .5
Tried seat depth changes, everything. (one thing at a time)
Kept doing this and knew I had to have past a node, but still nothing. Time to bale.
The RL26 might be the king of speed and I'm sure others here like it. I want something constant.
Ordered some RL23, should come in Wed. Will give it a go. Still have some H1000 if the RL23
doesn't pan out. I want a powder that will give 90% or more fill and some of the others don't do
that. You get speed early(H4350, IMR4955) but not case fill and that can cause fluctuations at distance.
Maybe this barrel is just a test dummy for my next one.
I just started doing load development on two 22CM both chambered at same time with same type of barrels, Bartlein 1-6.5. Shooting the 95gn SMK’s

The first two powders I tried are RL26 and IMR7828ssc. I tried the 7828 because I ran some numbers through quick load and 7828 showed some good numbers. Yesterday I got to shot the first shots out of the barrel with virgin alpha brass.

The 7828 was getting similar speeds to the RL26 with about .5gn less powder. Started with 39.5gn of 7828 got around 2970fps. At 42gns was getting 3180fps. Started showing some slight pressure signs at 41gn and would definitely call this the max for me right now, may change after using fired brass.

Both rifles showed almost identical speeds but I was using small rifle primers in one and large rifle primers in the other. The one I was shooting LRP in didn’t show any pressure signs really until 42gn but I think that is probably do to the fact that I was meaning to use .005 jump and in the rifle I was shooting SRP I think I measured wrong and went with .005 jam. It was definitely jam and is something I’m going to have to remeasure for next batch of testing.

Also, the rifle I was shooting SRP had several good groups and what looked like a good node around 40.5gn. The rifle with the LRP did not have any good groups really. I’m gonna have to recheck torques and scope, it’s nothing to do with the ammo I don’t believe. Just got everything mounted and put together on both rifles so good chance something is loose.

I will post a more detailed list of my numbers when I have my notes in front of me, wasn’t too concern with getting lots of details since this is virgin brass on brand new barrel so the numbers are mostly just benchmark and to give me an idea where to start. SD/ES were not very good and only did three shot groups so not ideal but may give some ideas on where to look.

Plan on testing 4831 as well but pretty sure I’m going to be looking at going with the 7828 with this little bit of intial testing and based on quickload and due to the availability of the 7828.
 
Great info on the 7828, I have some left from my 6.5 Weatherby. IF I can find some 95gr I'll try it, my rifle will have a 24", 7 twist, Proof carbon. I'm still not 100% sold on the Proof barrels but I got this custom build on a group buy, saved about $2,000.

I pre-ordered the new Nightforce NX8 4-32X50. In the meanwhile my gun builder is loaning me an Athalon ETR for my Pdog hunt. Nightforce dont start shipping till early July, which means I'll probably get it in August some time:mad:
 
That new NF should be the shit's. Suppose to have better glass than the older ones.
That Proof carbon might just stay a little cooler while your killing 100's of them varmints.
Would be nice to have the new glass before your PD hunt. That 32x will come in handy to blow up some sage rats.:ROFLMAO:
 
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Just got back from trying out a few combos after getting the initial break in done. Shooting a 7 twist Bartlien spun with a .080 freebore reamer from PTG. There is definitely room to extend that out to a .180 freebore and still have a COAL in the 2.770 area with the 95 smk. With the longer freebore it would put the start of the BT just past the end of the neck into the case.

80.5 berger
New Lapua 6mm SRP brass
Coal 2.590
Fed 205M
H4350 40.5 grains
3440 FPS

Hit a 2 inch target at 300 yards with three out of three shoots.

95 SMK
New Lapua 6mm SRP brass
Coal 2.670
Fed 205M
H4831sc 39 grains
2985 FPS

95 SMK
New Lapua 6mm SRP brass
Coal 2.670
Fed 205M
H1000 41 grains
2880 FPS

The brass holds 44.5 grains on H1000 to fill up to the neck so there should be enough room to hopefully hit 3150 after the barrel speeds up and i do a ladder test to see what i can push. If i have to extend the freebore to hit this its definitely worth it

I like the sound of your top load for the 80.5 full bore, speed is nice and not too hot. Just checking if it is still working for you before I start my loading.
 
25" Krieger Barrel 7.7 twist, alpha brass LRP 41gr h4350 shot 75eldm 3400 and 41.9 shot 3510fps when barrel was new. after 100 rounds 41.9 was 3562 but load is warm and i blew a primer on once fired brass. so i'm going back down to 41 to test it again, should be 3450ish. accuracy been .5" or less at 100 so far.
 
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So I’ve got a PTG reamer .257 neck. .089 FB. Alpha LRP brass. 41gr H4350, WLR primer and a 75ELDM seated 2.100 ogive / 2.650 OAL. Bout .017 off the lands. .252 bushing. 3506fps SD of 6 for 10 shots. Bighorn origin action bedded with JB in a grayboe terrain stock . Krieger 4 groove 7.7 twist 25” rem varmint contour.. I had a bartlein that would NOT shoot under .75” no matter what I did. Switched to this Krieger and it’s been .5 or less since new !
 

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i think all "fouler" shots should be shot on another "spotter' target. They just ruin good groups. OR they make great excuses for a ruined group. He77, I have "foulers" on about all my groups.........

JK Dirtbiker...great rig. It is amazing but there are just some bad barrels which get out. My builder will send barrels back for free replacement if they dont shoot. it just happens. My smith did have to buy 2 new .22 creed reamers as the one he had was a tight neck and would require turning...not for me....plus if I ever sell it, no one wants to turn necks. Mine is .800 FB

9 shots from my rifle, got a good start on an accurate load. more testing to do
 
i think all "fouler" shots should be shot on another "spotter' target. They just ruin good groups. OR they make great excuses for a ruined group. He77, I have "foulers" on about all my groups.........

JK Dirtbiker...great rig. It is amazing but there are just some bad barrels which get out. My builder will send barrels back for free replacement if they dont shoot. it just happens. My smith did have to buy 2 new .22 creed reamers as the one he had was a tight neck and would require turning...not for me....plus if I ever sell it, no one wants to turn necks. Mine is .800 FB

9 shots from my rifle, got a good start on an accurate load. more testing to do
LOL yeah sometimes I shoot the fouler at the steel gong for that purpose! But these groups I was at my father in laws ranch and had no reactive targets so I just fired at the paper HAHA. My smith and I both built rifles with bartlein barrels back to back. Mine 22 creed his 6xc. Neither of them would shoot worth a DARN. Reallllly frustrating. He swapped to a benchmark and I bought this Krieger and they are both hammers now.. we need to send the Bart’s back and see what’s up. I have a bart 223 on a trued rem and it shoots tiny tiny groups
 
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So I’ve got a PTG reamer .257 neck. .089 FB. Alpha LRP brass. 41gr H4350, WLR primer and a 75ELDM seated 2.100 ogive / 2.650 OAL. Bout .017 off the lands. .252 bushing. 3506fps SD of 6 for 10 shots. Bighorn origin action bedded with JB in a grayboe terrain stock .
I also have a 22 Creed on a Bighorn action. I started out before Alpha came to market with 22 Creed, so I necked down some of their 6mm Creedmoor brass. The resulting loads had a neck diameter of .256-.2565. Every once in a while I would get a flier. You guessed it, thicker brass. I bought two boxes of Hornady 22 Creedmoor brass, and inconsistent thickness also caused fliers. I now turn all of my necks to .015 thick. Just thought I would mention it for those using a PTG reamer, not much clearance.
 
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i have 6 creed Alpha SRP brass that I tried in mine just for fun. Been fired 5 times in my 6. I necked 3 down with 1 pass thru my whidden die with a .252 bushing. Then seated a bullet and they came to .254 just like my alpha 22 brass. They shot good as well 10fps slower than my LRP stuff but about the same size. thickness still .0145. I was surprised. However. Before alpha had 6 creed brass I necked alpha 6.5 brass down to 6mm and when I shot it it was WAY overpressure. My 6 has a .275 neck and my brass loaded was also .275. The thickness was .017. I had to turn em to .015 to make em work then shortly after all that process they released 6 brass LOL
 
Finally got some loads dialed in. Figured I post up some non-lead data for those stuck in Commiefornia like me. Both shot well but I decided to go with the LRX for added velocity and slightly cheaper cost. Had a coyote hang up at 450 the other day and the LRX dropped him hard. Recoil is minimal so I was able watch through the scope. Pretty cool. Both loads with Alpha brass.

Rifle specs:
Stiller Predator with a 22” Bartlein 2b 1:7 built by WTO.

83gr Hammer Hunters
42.3 gr RL26
Fed 215
CBTO: 2.2460
3135 FPS

77gr Barnes LRX
44.3 gr RL26
Fed 215
CBTO: 2.2245
3325 FPS
 
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I’ve had some 88s come apart at sub-3000 numbers...any similar experience? Also, any problems seating primers with the Alpha brass? I’ve had to prep the primer pockets and still had seating issues....Alpha doesn’t believe me.
 
I’ve had some 88s come apart at sub-3000 numbers...any similar experience? Also, any problems seating primers with the Alpha brass? I’ve had to prep the primer pockets and still had seating issues....Alpha doesn’t believe me.

I can't speak to the Alpha brass but i can tell you I've had the 88 ELDMs up into the 3100s in a 7 twist and saw great results. I ended up staying with the 95 smk due to the speed cap but if it was for hunting the 88s should be able to be pushed into the 3400 using R26 from the experiences i've had
 
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Just a PSA from my experience. if you plan on using a PTG standard reamer you will need to order hornady or alpha 22C brass. Necking down 6C Lapua brass gave me neck thickness of .016-.0165 which will require you to neck turn to fit in the .257 neck that the standard PTG reamer comes with. I ended up buying a neck turner as it was cheaper than buying new alpha brass and trying to sell the Lapua but i'd be lying if i didn't say it was a pain in the ass. I'm happy with the results now but it was definitely the long route.

my current load with the neck turned brass is a 95 SMK, 205m, 43.1g H1000 seated .050 off the lands for 3205 FPS.
 
Never had an issue with the 88 ELDM's ran 100+ up to 3200fps, no blow-ups
Working on the 4th loading of the Alpha SRP brass and never noticed any primer seating problems
Just checked and they are nice and squared up, no issue.
 
Never had an issue with the 88 ELDM's ran 100+ up to 3200fps, no blow-ups
Working on the 4th loading of the Alpha SRP brass and never noticed any primer seating problems
Just checked and they are nice and squared up, no issue.
Had so much trouble with mine that I took 300 new 6.5 CM cases and necked and turned them to 22 CM. Guess I just drew a bad batch.
 
If your sure it's the brass, I'd call Alpha and see if they would take them back and if bad
replace them. A call won't cost you a thing.
I talked to them a couple of times. They were adamant that their primer pockets are correct. However, after having to prep the pockets, all 300, the cases were still getting stuck in my auto prime because the pockets weren’t deep enough. I was actually having to put so much pressure on the autoprime that I was damaging primers...getting no ignition and 3 half second hang fires. I’ve never had problems like that in 40 years of reloading. If was were one or two, no problem, but I had problems with probably 30 % of them . They did offer to replace them, and they sent me 10 or 20 new ones from the same batch, but I still had problems. That when I decided to neck down and turn 300 Gunwerks 6.5 CM cases...all with no problems.
 
I bought 200 LRP 22cm brass and 300 SRP 22cm brass from Alpha. I will admit the SRP brass is has tighter primer pockets than I am use to, I’m using the RCBS universal hand primer. The SRP brass is much tighter than the LRP and it seats quite a bit shallower than the LRP brass but it is still slightly below being flush but just barely.

I actually had issues as well with the first couple I seated, I was having to use a lot of pressure but I think part of it is due to the universal primer. After a couple I could tell if I was about to have an issue and all I had to do was release the pressure and turn the case a little and then it would seat fine. I’m not sure what the issue is, it’s kind of like the universal primer was not lining up well with the primer pocket and causing the primer to try and seat crooked. I’m using FGM205M primers.

While the SRP does take more pressure to seat than the LRP, after I figured out what was going on the pressure is not excessive and I have not had one issue with a primer failing to ignite.
 
I settled on RL23
Got the speed I wanted, usually find it everywhere and had the case volume also.
So screw the RL26. Been there done that, and dumped it...
 
Origin, HawkHill, heavy palma, 7twt, 26 in. 350 rounds
41.4g RL23, Berger 90g VLD T Alpha SRP brass, CCI 450, about .003-.004 off 3298fps
Anything hotter, started to show signs.
 
No problems yet.

.22BR is pushing them @ 2,940 and zero issues there as well.

Honestly, I've only seen such minuscule vertical in my 6 Dashers loads.

Alpha brass is really, really impressive.
 
just recieved some 90gr SMK's. I have the following powders on hand, I can also buy a new powder cant find RL-26.

Varget
H4350
H4831
IMR4451
RL15
RL22
7828SSC
N560 VV

PLease share some data of whats working for you.(y)
 
Just my 2 cents...
The H4350 gave plenty of speed early, but usually means it's running hotter and you won't have the case
fill you want. If you have 75% case fill, will usually result in variations in velocity at distance.
Varget, wouldn't even try, to fast of a buring powder. For heavy for caliber bullets.
H4831, possibly. Had some but didn't try cause I found a couple others to work with.
IMR4451, same as H4350.
RL15, about the same as Varget I would assume. To fast.
RL22, might work, about the same as RL23. RL 23 is having a lot of new followers, and working.
Someone posted earlier that they liked the 7828sc. Would be a try.
The VV N560 is a double based powder and runs Hotter than most. (burn your barrel up sooner) I would try the N165
Out of the ones you listed, in order.
7828sc
RL22
N560
H4831

I started with the 90g SMK's, they price them by the 50 count.. Very costly bullet for some reason. WTH
Even the 95g are cheaper than the 90's
Using the Berger 90g now.
 
Just my 2 cents...
The H4350 gave plenty of speed early, but usually means it's running hotter and you won't have the case
fill you want. If you have 75% case fill, will usually result in variations in velocity at distance.
Varget, wouldn't even try, to fast of a buring powder. For heavy for caliber bullets.
H4831, possibly. Had some but didn't try cause I found a couple others to work with.
IMR4451, same as H4350.
RL15, about the same as Varget I would assume. To fast.
RL22, might work, about the same as RL23. RL 23 is having a lot of new followers, and working.
Someone posted earlier that they liked the 7828sc. Would be a try.
The VV N560 is a double based powder and runs Hotter than most. (burn your barrel up sooner) I would try the N165
Out of the ones you listed, in order.
7828sc
RL22
N560
H4831

I started with the 90g SMK's, they price them by the 50 count.. Very costly bullet for some reason. WTH
Even the 95g are cheaper than the 90's
Using the Berger 90g now.
Using 37.9grs H1000 @2929 FPS out of a 7 twist 26 inch Krieger with excellent accuracy and s/d. Good velocity out to 1100 yards.