Does anyone have any insight or believe this round will be picked up for production for the bolt action crowd.
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Not sure why anyone would want to go through the hassle....
Just out of curiosity: why would I pick 224 Valkyrie over 224 AR (Grendel necked down to 22). They seem to do more or less a similar thing. I think Grendel case has a touch more capacity.
ILya
I've been shooting with the 6.5 Grendel more or less since it showed up. There were issues in the beginning, with crappy mags and different chambers. It seems to have been reasonably standardized now, and the mags work well. I am not sure there is any reliability difference between SPC case and Grendel case. Perhaps, there is a difference when they are necked down to 22 caliber. I might give it a try at some point.
ILya
Which doesn't matter at all considering we are talking bolt guns....
Howa makes the HCR in an action size suited for the caliber. With prefit barrels, it could be interesting. I consider this caliber a step ahead of some others. A 6x45 really only works with bullets heavier than 80 grains in a bolt rifle imo.because, AR's were brought into the conversation earlier in the thread.
You are correct, bolt thrust is a non-issue in the bolt gun.
It is, however, an issue in the AR platform, which this cartridge and the grendel variant are designed to work in.
I'd like to understand why guys don't find appealing a .53 BC bullet of only 90 grains going close to 2900 fps in a bolt gun(reloading and longer barrel) using only 28 grains of powder.
I'd like to understand why guys don't find appealing a .53 BC bullet of only 90 grains going close to 2900 fps in a bolt gun(reloading and longer barrel) using only 28 grains of powder. Super soft recoil with a brake, and cheap to shoot, while exceeding 223AI. Ballistics basically like a 6.5Creed with 130's without using 42 grains of powder.
I'm pretty amazed how well my 6mmFatRat does with a 95grSMK/49BC going 2870 fps in my AR. It is just behind my 6x47 in the wind when shooting steel and comparing the two I really can't tell any difference in light winds. Our 1122Y 19" steel was toast just a week ago in 5-7 mph 1/2 value winds, banghit, banghit, till the mag was empty. For me it comes down to using less powder with lightweight but high BC bullets.
Because there are a hell of a lot of ways to send heavy .22 cal pills down range fast in a bolt gun. Having to build a whole new gun which action is married to one oddball case is not appealing to me. Kind of makes the only 28 grains of powder irrelevant in my book.
That's fair, too each his own.
Some of us like things that are different to begin with. Fast isn't everything but of course that has appeal too and you'd be preaching to the choir, so to speak. The faster the round, the faster the barrel heats up, and the faster the throat gets torched. I have a 20x47l barrel that sent 55 grain Bergers at 3830 fps, firecracked inside 400 rounds and bullets blowing up. For some reason 40's work for now at 4100 fps/low node but I regret I had this idea to begin with. Fun notion but didn't work out in practicality.
Really all it is, is a different bolt/bolt face for the V224 which is an extra expense but not fireforming 223AI makes up for that IMO. Soon enough there will be factory rifles ready to go and aftermarket goodies...
If I can get away with buying an 8lb keg a year for practice instead of two, is where I'm coming from, and I can only assume the V224 gets better barrel life than the faster 22 centerfires and again it's nice to have the least muzzle upset possible when I can. 223 just doesn't cut it for me and never has. 223AI is getting close but I'd rather not fireform for it, something I do for other cartridges already and I guess I'm tired of it.
The thrust issue is from the bigger bolt face on the Grendal bolt Vs the SPC.
I get that, but what I am trying to understand is whether greater thrust is really an issue or not. There are a lot of 6.5 Grendel ARs out there and while the bolt is theoretically weaker than that fro the SPC and 223, I do not hear about them failing a whole lot.
If they do not fail due to that higher thrust, I am not sure it is a significant problem, unless you plan to really push pressures.
I am not sure if my primary interest is for a bolt gun or an AR. Off hand, I would probably be more likely to experiment with an AR first. In a bolt gun, it could be really interesting when a small frame Fix comes out. I am sorta intrigued by a micro-action rifle with easily interchangeable barrels.
If factory Valkyrie ammo is reasonably affordable, that will be a good way to go. If I have to handload for it, I would be more likely to go with a Grendel-based cartridge, since I have around 20 lbs of once fired Grendel brass laying around from my years of shooting it and since I already have a bunch of Grendel magazines.
ILya
Probably depends on lots of factors. I had a bolt in an upper I sold that was still going at about 8k, and one in the drawer that sheared a lug at about 200 rounds. Both were 7.62x39 AR15s.
You heard it guys, might as well sell your 22 Creedmoor's......
I shoot 22 creed. It's awesome! My 22BR certainly doesn't take its place and the valkyrie won't either.
Wow you guys must be young, there's been a cartridge around for a long time-22-6mm or as they call it down in Texas, the 22 TTH (Texas trophy hunter)
its been shooting hornady 75 gr AMAX's in excess of 3600 and Sierra MK 90's above 3500. Best ? Well just neck it down to .224 and start loading.
It was designed from the get go to shoot long bullets, it's shoots lighter ones too, 50's and 55's over 4500 FPS!!!!
sB
Sandwarrior, you hit the nail on the head. The 224 Valkyrie's new 100 gr loading in a hunting bullet re sparked my interest in the 22-6mm. I have a large ring savage 12 single shot action I just ordered a new barrel for it. Wow a 100 gr 224 bullet at 3500 FPS!!!!!'
SB