.25 Creedmoor and 134eld

[Areece11]

Anyone have any experience with 25 creed using Hornady 134 eld bullets? I have 26" preferred barrel cut with 25 creed blackjack reamer. So far I have just ran a few loaded with N555 to get velocity and going to test more tomorrow. Also going to try a few others including h4350 and RL23.

If anyone has any experience with 134 elds let's hear it! Pic is of two I shot just to get idea of velocity 41gr N555, Peterson 6creed brass, 134 eld cbto 2.175

 

[Superminokla]

My results using H4350

 

[Areece11]

What's your freebore and how much jump?

This is with 41.7gr N555 in Peterson 6 creed brass

 

[OkayshooterSK2]

Following

 

[Ryanjohnson86]

These are not the speeds I was hoping to see

 

[Areece11]

These are not the speeds I was hoping to see

In my rifle, this seems to be pretty low on pressure but for PRS I run my stuff pretty slow. It would be hard to get too much faster with n555 because of case fill though. H4350 be another story

 

[Reaper 31]

Here are my numbers from yesterday. Brand new PVA Osprey barrel, 24" and a can with the 134 ELDs, new Alpha Brass. I can't recall my CBTO. Stacked bullet after bullet. I shot at the same target so I did open up after so many rounds but I was just getting velocity anyway.

H4350 CCI 450s.

40.2	2721
40.4	2726
40.6	2740
40.8	2782
41	2777
41.2	2780
41.4	2795
41.6	2794
41.8	2843
42.2	2852
42.4	2856
42.6	2877
42.8	2879

 

[Ryanjohnson86]

Here are my numbers from yesterday. Brand new PVA barrel with the 134 ELDs, new Alpha Brass.

did you post the numbers

 

[Reaper 31]

Sorry about that I'm working off my phone right now.

 

[Areece11]

Here are my numbers from yesterday. Brand new PVA Osprey barrel, 24" and a can with the 134 ELDs, new Alpha Brass. I can't recall my CBTO. Stacked bullet after bullet. I shot at the same target so I did open up after so many rounds but I was just getting velocity anyway.

H4350 CCI 450s.

40.2	2721
40.4	2726
40.6	2740
40.8	2782
41	2777
41.2	2780
41.4	2795
41.6	2794
41.8	2843
42.2	2852
42.4	2856
42.6	2877
42.8	2879

You use a drop tube to get that much n555 in there?

 

[Reaper 31]

No sir it's H4350. Going to work on bullet seating depth next for the next few weeks and respond back on what's working for me.

 

[verdugo60]

I have some "pull down" N555 I was hoping to use in NRL Hunter with .25 CM next year in alpha brass, these speeds aren't encouraging but hopefully my Bartlein will be a slightly faster barrel. Normally I wouldn't care but I have to get about 2815 FPS with the 135 Berger for PF. Have some H4350 if that doesn't work out.

Thanks for the info, keep it coming!

 

[Ryanjohnson86]

Did you get any where near pressure?

 

[MedicACE]

H4350 42gr 2850. First time it shot a .84 at 1000yds with a bipod and bag.

 

[blksno]

135 Bergers and RL26...

Anyone have any experience with 25 creed using Hornady 134 eld bullets? I have 26" preferred barrel cut with 25 creed blackjack reamer. So far I have just ran a few loaded with N555 to get velocity and going to test more tomorrow. Also going to try a few others including h4350 and RL23.

If anyone has any experience with 134 elds let's hear it! Pic is of two I shot just to get idea of velocity 41gr N555, Peterson 6creed brass, 134 eld cbto 2.175

RL26 is going to be your ticket for velocity. I've got 135 Bergers going 3000 fps with a 25" Preferred barrel.
I'm using Lapua 6 Creed brass and 450s

 

[Areece11]

135 Bergers and RL26...

RL26 is going to be your ticket for velocity. I've got 135 Bergers going 3000 fps with a 25" Preferred barrel.
I'm using Lapua 6 Creed brass and 450s

It's for PRS so my ideal speed is 2800ish so I have time to get back on target to see impacts.

 

[blksno]

It's for PRS so my ideal speed is 2800ish so I have time to get back on target to see impacts.

I guess with a Hellfire Match, 135 going 3000....it doesn't feel any different than my Dasher with 115s at 2825.

 

[verdugo60]

I guess with a Hellfire Match, 135 going 3000....it doesn't feel any different than my Dasher with 115s at 2825.

Not doubting you but 3K is what guys seem to be getting with 25 SAUM's on the Facebook page. RL16 seems like it's usually good for 100-150 more fps in several cartridges I've looked at vs Hodgdon. Downside is it's harder to find than H4350 or N555. Is it pretty temp stable or no?

 

[Areece11]

I guess with a Hellfire Match, 135 going 3000....it doesn't feel any different than my Dasher with 115s at 2825.

Not really the felt recoil is why I run it slow, I usually shoot a 6.5x47 that definitely has more recoil, just the bullet speed gets to the target faster than my brain can work lol. I run my x47 at 2640 and I love the slower speeds so I can watch the bullet

 

[whatsupdoc]

Running a 26" bartline barrel, 134 ELD @ 2.913 COAL , 41.8gr R17, Alpha Brass, CCI450 gave me 2985 FPS
dropped the charge to 41.6gr running 2965 FPS

 

[Reaper 31]

H4350 42gr 2850. First time it shot a .84 at 1000yds with a bipod and bag.

Nice! What's your feedback on a 25CM and that 134 as it's new to me and I haven't shot a 6.5 or the like in years.
Thanks

 

[Reaper 31]

Did you get any where near pressure?

Speaking for my loads I worked up I don't believe I was near pressure. I'm probably going to go up a little more but probably won't go past 2900 if I don't have to. Would like to try NRL hunter and need to make power factor.

I did shoot some Bergers 133 elite hunter and those did great also. Going to try that on hogs soon hopefully.

 

[nrspence]

I’m working out on the road currently so
I don’t have the numbers… I did a Satterlee test to get ball park speeds out of my 25 inch barrel shooting the 134s and N555 I got to 2980 with no pressure..this powder is great for the 25 creed

 

[MedicACE]

Nice! What's your feedback on a 25CM and that 134 as it's new to me and I haven't shot a 6.5 or the like in years.
Thanks

I like it so far, and finally got a good load worked up. I like to research and tinker with things, so this has been a fun cartridge for me.

 

[ryanowarrior]

I’ve been runnin the 134’s at 2810 for a while nowadays with 41.2 of H4350

 

[abn31c]

I’ve been runnin the 134’s at 2810 for a while nowadays with 41.2 of H4350

2800 to 2820 has been the place to be for me with 135's. I haven't tried the 134's yet but would expect the same. I'm at 38.1 rl16.

 

[4O6shootist]

42gr N555 has been money with 135 Bergers in my 28" 7.5tw running 2860.

 

[Mxracer532]

I run alittle test on mine today. 22" Proof Carbon with a Deadair Nomad-Ti.
Sometimes I'd get a sticky bolt and then the next shot .2g higher it would be smooth as butter.

 

[Ryanjohnson86]

I run alittle test on mine today. 22" Proof Carbon with a Deadair Nomad-Ti.
Sometimes I'd get a sticky bolt and then the next shot .2g higher it would be smooth as butter.


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What powder? Varget?

 

[4O6shootist]

I run alittle test on mine today. 22" Proof Carbon with a Deadair Nomad-Ti.
Sometimes I'd get a sticky bolt and then the next shot .2g higher it would be smooth as butter.


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22" barrel at 2950 with a 134, that's HOT. I run a 28" barrel with 135s at 2860fps. Instead going straight to the max, perhaps try the slightly conservative charge of 40.5gr? Not telling you what to do, but I would definitely not be running on the ragged edge. What's your case head and fired primer look like? Bolt lift is a sign that the psi is over expanding the brass to dimension that are an interference fit between the chamber and/or bolt face.

 

[abn31c]

So you got sticky and still went higher?
I think you found what yer looking for according to known data and what yer rifle is telling you.

FWIW, that's where I run in a 28" Brux with nitride bore.

 

[Mxracer532]

What powder? Varget?

H4350

 

[Mxracer532]

22" barrel at 2950 with a 134, that's HOT. I run a 28" barrel with 135s at 2860fps. Instead going straight to the max, perhaps try the slightly conservative charge of 40.5gr? Not telling you what to do, but I would definitely not be running on the ragged edge. What's your case head and fired primer look like? Bolt lift is a sign that the psi is over expanding the brass to dimension that are an interference fit between the chamber and/or bolt face.

39.6 I didn't realize was straight to the max. I had researched enough and seen many reports of 42+g of H4350 being used.

I ran this to zero in on what I was looking for. I won't be running on the ragged edge for sure. I understand bolt lift is a sign, have known that for 25+ years. Case head and primer looked fine which is why I tried the next charge. (Which also looked fine with no sticky bolt) Weird.......

 

[Mxracer532]

So you got sticky and still went higher?
I think you found what yer looking for according to known data and what yer rifle is telling you.
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FWIW, that's where I run in a 28" Brux with nitride bore.

A slight sticky bolt, not like I was banging the action open. Next load .2 higher was perfectly fine with zero stickiness.

 

[4O6shootist]

39.6 I didn't realize was straight to the max. I had researched enough and seen many reports of 42+g of H4350 being used.

I ran this to zero in on what I was looking for. I won't be running on the ragged edge for sure. I understand bolt lift is a sign, have known that for 25+ years. Case head and primer looked fine which is why I tried the next charge. (Which also looked fine with no sticky bolt) Weird.......

42.6 was max in mine with H4350, 43.0 with rl16. Both these were over 3k fps but my barrels is 6" longer than yours. Your barrel is making more psi per grain than mine by quite a bit especially considering the length loss(or could be a large lot to lot variation in 4350). From your test and the node at 2940fps, I was just saying, I wouldn't run it there. Did you ladder these rounds at distance to see what velocity ranges held tight vertical? The Peterson brass does also hold less powder than lapua and alpha, also contributing to elevated psi/velocity.

In my 2nd 25cm I ran 131 aces at 2950.with 41.3gr H4350, that was a 26" krieger blank. Brass after 3-4 firings was getting clickers upon primary extraction, his was due to a poor fitting redding FL type S die. Once I switched to matchmaster FL bushing die all that went away. If you're not seeing psi signs on case head, and the fired webs aren't over 0.471 I'd say your pressure levels are safe. I'm my 3rd 25cm barrel the first two were burnt with 131s and now I'm onto 135s. I really miss the 131 blackjack, that was a damn good bullet.

 

[Mxracer532]

42.6 was max in mine with H4350, 43.0 with rl16. Both these were over 3k fps but my barrels is 6" longer than yours. Your barrel is making more psi per grain than mine by quite a bit especially considering the length loss(or could be a large lot to lot variation in 4350). From your test and the node at 2940fps, I was just saying, I wouldn't run it there. Did you ladder these rounds at distance to see what velocity ranges held tight vertical? The Peterson brass does also hold less powder than lapua and alpha, also contributing to elevated psi/velocity.

In my 2nd 25cm I ran 131 aces at 2950.with 41.3gr H4350, that was a 26" krieger blank. Brass after 3-4 firings was getting clickers upon primary extraction, his was due to a poor fitting redding FL type S die. Once I switched to matchmaster FL bushing die all that went away. If you're not seeing psi signs on case head, and the fired webs aren't over 0.471 I'd say your pressure levels are safe. I'm my 3rd 25cm barrel the first two were burnt with 131s and now I'm onto 135s. I really miss the 131 blackjack, that was a damn good bullet.

I have not laddered this at distance. I only had about 50 rounds on the barrel before this. I was more or less just testing a few things and getting some pills down the tube.

 

[2011Bravo]

Anyone have any experience with 25 creed using Hornady 134 eld bullets? I have 26" preferred barrel cut with 25 creed blackjack reamer. So far I have just ran a few loaded with N555 to get velocity and going to test more tomorrow. Also going to try a few others including h4350 and RL23.

If anyone has any experience with 134 elds let's hear it! Pic is of two I shot just to get idea of velocity 41gr N555, Peterson 6creed brass, 134 eld cbto 2.175

What kind of group are you getting

 

[Reaper 31]

This is what I got the other day with the 134elds 42.3gr H4350, 2850fps, 24in tube with a can. I'm not sure if I used the ballistic x correctly, still learning how to use it.

 

[2011Bravo]

Thank you

 

[Areece11]

What kind of group are you getting

Changed the load a little, 39.9gr of h4350, 134gr else cbto 2.140" 2760fps. Out of 5- 5 shot groups it averages around .400"

 

[db2000]

135 Bergers and RL26...

RL26 is going to be your ticket for velocity. I've got 135 Bergers going 3000 fps with a 25" Preferred barrel.
I'm using Lapua 6 Creed brass and 450s

So far with RL26 and Berger 133 Elite Hunters….
Seekins SP10 w/ 18” McGowen SS 1:7” and Magnetospeed V3. I’m gonna keep loading hotter.

11/15/23
67F 29% 30.18in

Berger 133 Elite Hunter
RL26
Lapua 6.5 CM (.283 bushing) SRP brass x 1
GM205M
COL 1.9120
BTO 2.1010
42.0 2435, 2361, 2381, 2464 0.75” group
42.5 2406, 2435, , 2436, 2429, 2432 SD 12.3 0.6”
43.0 2502, 2478, 2489, 2492, 2475 SD 10.9 1”
43.5 2562, 2494, 2515, 2509, 2527 SD 25.6 1.5” no pressure on any loads

 

[maddazzshooter]

No sir it's H4350. Going to work on bullet seating depth next for the next few weeks and respond back on what's working for me.

So far with RL26 and Berger 133 Elite Hunters….
Seekins SP10 w/ 18” McGowen SS 1:7” and Magnetospeed V3. I’m gonna keep loading hotter.

11/15/24
67F 29% 30.18in

Berger 133 Elite Hunter
RL26
Lapua 6.5 CM (.283 bushing) SRP brass x 1
GM205M
COL 1.9120
BTO 2.1010
42.0 2435, 2361, 2381, 2464 0.75” group
42.5 2406, 2435, , 2436, 2429, 2432 SD 12.3 0.6”
43.0 2502, 2478, 2489, 2492, 2475 SD 10.9 1”
43.5 2562, 2494, 2515, 2509, 2527 SD 25.6 1.5” no pressure on any loads

It's very good playing it safe as there's no published data but worked all the way up to 50.0gr with finding my sweet spot at 48.0gr with RL26..... the data that was generated from QuickLoad did not compare at all

 

[maddazzshooter]

These are not the speeds I was hoping to see

RL26 (high bulk density) has yielded the highest velocity of the powders I've tested Including RL16, RL17, StaBall6.5, H4350, SW4350 . StaBall6.5 is next on the list using 110gr ELD-x and 110gr Game Changer because it's available

 

[chevy_man]

Anyone played with 6.5 Sta-ball?

I have an 8 lb keg on the way along with some 450s and starline SRP brass.

22" McGowan stainless barrel with a can. As long as I can get to 2750+ I'll be happy.

 

[Mxracer532]

Anyone played with 6.5 Sta-ball?

I have an 8 lb keg on the way along with some 450s and starline SRP brass.

22" McGowan stainless barrel with a can. As long as I can get to 2750+ I'll be happy.

Yup I have.

 

[Mxracer532]

 

[db2000]

View attachment 8350922

Barrel length?

 

[Mxracer532]

Barrel length?

22" (suppressed)

 

[Reaper 31]

Anybody have some 134ELDs they are willing to part ways with? 500 will be nice

 

[chevy_man]

Anybody have some 134ELDs they are willing to part ways with? 500 will be nice

I noticed they're sold out everywhere. I'll probably use the 100 I bought for testing in the 25-06 for hunting.

I picked up 500 Bergers from Mile High. Not cheap, but available.