Anyone aware of signs of life at Blackjack Bullets? Like others, I await a November 2020 order, and recent attempts to contact have been unsuccessful. Trying to determine whether I should kiss my $400 goodbye and move on to Bergers.
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You won't be getting those bullets or your money back. I'm $500 deep.
Thanks! Not what I wanted to hear, but good to know. Anyone attempted any collection action?
Don't want to hijack this data thread, but as the website appears active and backorders can still be placed apparently, I don't want other 25CM shooters to fall into the same trap.
Don't want to hijack this data thread, but as the website appears active and backorders can still be placed apparently, I don't want other 25CM shooters to fall into the same trap.
Those that are using the 133 bergers and H4350, can ya'll share some load data and brass that your using.
I finally got my 25 zeroed in yesterday. Had a mix of Peterson LRP and Peterson SRP with the 65 StaBall. I had light ejector marks and sticky bolt from 42gr up to 42.6. I stopped at that because the bolt did get heavy and ejector mark did appear more. I believe velocity was around 2780ish on a 23" w/can.
I finally got my 25 zeroed in yesterday. Had a mix of Peterson LRP and Peterson SRP with the 65 StaBall. I had light ejector marks and sticky bolt from 42gr up to 42.6. I stopped at that because the bolt did get heavy and ejector mark did appear more. I believe velocity was around 2780ish on a 23" w/can.
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How is everyone enjoying their 25CM? I am currently shooting a 6.5 CM (~1,200 rounds in) and am debating my next barrel. Currently debating 6GT or 6CM but 25CM keeps coming front of mind.
I love mine, the 133s shoot great like most Berger bullets. Don’t see much benefit over a 6.5 creed, but 1/4 bores are cool.
It’s unofficially official at this point, and looks to be a quarter million dollar theft/fraud. Who knows about litigation, but its certainly warranted at this point.
Crazy the website is still active. What a dumpster fire.
Anybody try the Hornady 110gr E-LDX bullets? It would be awesome if someone else would make a heavy 25 cal bullet. Kinda sucks just having one option
No reason it wouldn't work. If thats an acceptable weight and BC range for you, then there are a whole bunch of available bullets.
What is your all thoughts about running staball 6.5 with 25 creed alpha srp brass. I’ve been running 43.7 grain with 135 grains Berger .020 thousand off the lands and seem to hammer. My question is how tough if staball on your rifle?
I'm running the same brass powder and bullet. It hammers . Staball cleans out easily.
I like StaBall but wasn't getting the velocity I hoped with Peterson LRP and SRP. I just got my hands on the Alpha 25CM brass. It weighs less than the Peterson so I think i might get me better velocity if I can pack more powder using alpha brass. Testing to continue...
I was shooting 6.5x47 before switching to this round and I find that you get pressure faster with Paterson brass over alpha brass or even Lapua brass. I’m not saying Peterson not good it is just what I discovered is all.
Sorry to revive an old thread but have yall found the 133s to be jump sensitive?
I haven't played with seating depth yet which is next on my list but I couldn't get these to group right at my initial seating depth.
Thanks
I haven't played with seating depth yet which is next on my list but I couldn't get these to group right at my initial seating depth.
Thanks
I don’t mess with seating depth much but they grouped well for me at .030 to .050 off. 1/2 MOA over multiple groups. The easy button is a tuner, made load development a lot less time consuming for me.
Yea that was my next go to but I was trying to make it a dedicated suppressed rifle for hunting. I originally loaded up with StaBall w/ Peterson brass but didn't like the velocity I was getting, and I reached pressure signs around 2800fps give or take. I switched over to h4350 and alpha brass and was able to get better velocity and I think I found better nodes, just didn't group well, just terrible actually. I looked through the bore (about 140 rounds now) and everything looks okay. I just have some copper I need to clean out hopefully when I get home today.
Right now it's just new brass ran through a .256 mandrel, chamfered and deburred.
Rock Creek 23" 3b contour.
Just a little something something for fun.... and hogs!
I'm going to load up some more at different seating depth and see if that improves.
Right now it's just new brass ran through a .256 mandrel, chamfered and deburred.
Rock Creek 23" 3b contour.
Just a little something something for fun.... and hogs!
I'm going to load up some more at different seating depth and see if that improves.
I just loaded some 133's for my son's 25 Creed today with Staball. I'm curious what your OCW test looked like since I am also using the same components. (Peterson LRP, Fed210m)
It seems like some guys are seeing pressure in the high 42g range and some guys no issues pushing 45g.
I got them from unknown munitions. It is Peterson brass with H4350.
Update.
Seekins SP10 25 CM
McGowen 18” SS 1:7
Magnetospeed V3
7/27/23
89F 53% 30.11 in
Nosler 115 BT (0.285 bushing)
Varget
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
BTO 2.2750
38.0gr 2832, 2804, 2823, 2835, 2830 SD 12.4 1.25” mild-mod pressure
38.5 2835, 2827, 2843, 2852, 2810 SD 16.0 1.8” mild-mod pressure
39.0 2898, 2876, 2886, 2860, 2875 SD 14.1 1.5” mod-pressure
Barnes 100 gr TTSX 0.285 (probably needs 0.283 bushing)
Varget
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
BTO 2.2675
39.5gr 2884, 2879, 2891, 2891 SD 5.8
40.0 3002, 2982, 2988, 2978, 2979 SD 9.8 1.25” mild pressure
40.5 3079, 3102, 3036, 3092, 3051 mod pressure
8/8/23
82F 49% 29.91in
Barnes 100 gr TTSX 0.285 (probably needs 0.283 bushing)
Varget
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
BTO 2.2020
40.0gr 3011, 3005, 3017, 3037 SD 13.8 1.5” mild pressure
BTO 2.2305
40.5 3035, 3026, 3020, 3028, 3022 SD 5.8 2” mild pressure
Brass x 2
*BTO 2.2280
39.5 3002, 3015, 2997, 2998, 3010
SD 7.8 2” mild pressure
*BTO 2.2260
40.0 3044, 3039, 3042, 3039, 3051
3042, 3034, 3035, 3031, 3039
SD 5.6 2” mild pressure
Nosler 115 BT (0.285 bushing)
Varget 38.5
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
*BTO just behind cannelure
38.5 2796, 2766, 2788, 2790
2797, 2777, 2791 SD 11.1 1.25”
Mild pressure
9/7/23
86F 60% 29.83in
Berger 133 Elite Hunter (0.283 bushing)
H4350
*New Lapua SRP brass
GM205M
COL 1.9120
*BTO 2.1010
41.0gr 2604, 2617, 2631, 2635, 2626
2612, 2641, 2630, 2622, 2634
SD 11.4 2” min pressure
41.3 2646, 2660, 2641, 2682, 2652
2671, 2645, 2646, 2644, 2640
SD 14 1.6” (8 in 1”) mild-mod pressure
11/15/23
67F 29% 30.18in
Berger 133 Elite Hunter (0.283 bushing)
*RL26
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
COL 1.9120
*BTO 2.1010
42.0 2435, 2361, 2381, 2464 0.75”
42.5 2406, 2435, , 2436, 2429, 2432 SD 12.3 0.6”
43.0 2502, 2478, 2489, 2492, 2475 SD 10.9 1”
43.5 2562, 2494, 2515, 2509, 2527 SD 25.6 1.5” no pressure
11/26/23
53F 46% 30.05in
Berger 133 Elite Hunter (0.283 bushing)
*RL26
205M
Lapua SRP Brass x 2
*COL 1.9085
*BTO 2.1030
44.0 2603, 2585, 2620, 2596, 2607 SD 12.9 2” no pressure
44.5 2646, 2658, 2615, 2658, 2661 SD 19.1 0.8” primer cratering
45.0 2694, 2689, 2681, 2713, 2708 SD 13.2 2” primer cratering and mild ejector ring
Seekins SP10 25 CM
McGowen 18” SS 1:7
Magnetospeed V3
7/27/23
89F 53% 30.11 in
Nosler 115 BT (0.285 bushing)
Varget
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
BTO 2.2750
38.0gr 2832, 2804, 2823, 2835, 2830 SD 12.4 1.25” mild-mod pressure
38.5 2835, 2827, 2843, 2852, 2810 SD 16.0 1.8” mild-mod pressure
39.0 2898, 2876, 2886, 2860, 2875 SD 14.1 1.5” mod-pressure
Barnes 100 gr TTSX 0.285 (probably needs 0.283 bushing)
Varget
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
BTO 2.2675
39.5gr 2884, 2879, 2891, 2891 SD 5.8
40.0 3002, 2982, 2988, 2978, 2979 SD 9.8 1.25” mild pressure
40.5 3079, 3102, 3036, 3092, 3051 mod pressure
8/8/23
82F 49% 29.91in
Barnes 100 gr TTSX 0.285 (probably needs 0.283 bushing)
Varget
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
BTO 2.2020
40.0gr 3011, 3005, 3017, 3037 SD 13.8 1.5” mild pressure
BTO 2.2305
40.5 3035, 3026, 3020, 3028, 3022 SD 5.8 2” mild pressure
Brass x 2
*BTO 2.2280
39.5 3002, 3015, 2997, 2998, 3010
SD 7.8 2” mild pressure
*BTO 2.2260
40.0 3044, 3039, 3042, 3039, 3051
3042, 3034, 3035, 3031, 3039
SD 5.6 2” mild pressure
Nosler 115 BT (0.285 bushing)
Varget 38.5
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
*BTO just behind cannelure
38.5 2796, 2766, 2788, 2790
2797, 2777, 2791 SD 11.1 1.25”
Mild pressure
9/7/23
86F 60% 29.83in
Berger 133 Elite Hunter (0.283 bushing)
H4350
*New Lapua SRP brass
GM205M
COL 1.9120
*BTO 2.1010
41.0gr 2604, 2617, 2631, 2635, 2626
2612, 2641, 2630, 2622, 2634
SD 11.4 2” min pressure
41.3 2646, 2660, 2641, 2682, 2652
2671, 2645, 2646, 2644, 2640
SD 14 1.6” (8 in 1”) mild-mod pressure
11/15/23
67F 29% 30.18in
Berger 133 Elite Hunter (0.283 bushing)
*RL26
Lapua SRP brass x 1
GM205M
COL 1.9120
*BTO 2.1010
42.0 2435, 2361, 2381, 2464 0.75”
42.5 2406, 2435, , 2436, 2429, 2432 SD 12.3 0.6”
43.0 2502, 2478, 2489, 2492, 2475 SD 10.9 1”
43.5 2562, 2494, 2515, 2509, 2527 SD 25.6 1.5” no pressure
11/26/23
53F 46% 30.05in
Berger 133 Elite Hunter (0.283 bushing)
*RL26
205M
Lapua SRP Brass x 2
*COL 1.9085
*BTO 2.1030
44.0 2603, 2585, 2620, 2596, 2607 SD 12.9 2” no pressure
44.5 2646, 2658, 2615, 2658, 2661 SD 19.1 0.8” primer cratering
45.0 2694, 2689, 2681, 2713, 2708 SD 13.2 2” primer cratering and mild ejector ring
Alpha SRP
BL4
RL 16 41.5
134 ELDM
2855
Shoots fantastic 118 yards 8 shot groups
BL4
RL 16 41.5
134 ELDM
2855
Shoots fantastic 118 yards 8 shot groups
I chased h4350 and the Berger 135’s for way too long. Switched to the 134’s and rl16 and magic. Just breaking in a new barrel and looks to love the same thing
Finally got my 25 creed together.
Solus action, proof 22” barrel chambered by @FisherT&C with enticer s ti can.
Components are:
Alpha SRP brass
CCI 450
H4350
134 ELDM loaded at .050 off the lands. 2.165 CBTO/2.865 COAL
took it out today for its first “ladder” for rounds 51 thru 74 down the barrel. So it’s still very fresh. 38 degrees today
41 gr - 2752 avg, SD of 6
41.5 gr - 2787 avg, SD of 5.8
42 gr - 2818 avg, SD of 19.5
42.5 gr - 2832 avg, SD of 8
41.5 and 42.5 shot the best.
No pressure signs, but I won’t be going any higher. My goal was to get around 2850 ish and that will be easily achieved once the barrel reaches cruising altitude. Which for all my proof barrels, has come around 200 rounds total.
Very promising and “proof” that you can get some good speeds with the ELDM and 4350 without a long ass barrel. Even in colder temps.
Solus action, proof 22” barrel chambered by @FisherT&C with enticer s ti can.
Components are:
Alpha SRP brass
CCI 450
H4350
134 ELDM loaded at .050 off the lands. 2.165 CBTO/2.865 COAL
took it out today for its first “ladder” for rounds 51 thru 74 down the barrel. So it’s still very fresh. 38 degrees today
41 gr - 2752 avg, SD of 6
41.5 gr - 2787 avg, SD of 5.8
42 gr - 2818 avg, SD of 19.5
42.5 gr - 2832 avg, SD of 8
41.5 and 42.5 shot the best.
No pressure signs, but I won’t be going any higher. My goal was to get around 2850 ish and that will be easily achieved once the barrel reaches cruising altitude. Which for all my proof barrels, has come around 200 rounds total.
Very promising and “proof” that you can get some good speeds with the ELDM and 4350 without a long ass barrel. Even in colder temps.
