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Maggie’s 2nd Amendment Written About Flintlock Muskets, not Assault Rifles and Weapons of War.

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    I often hear the above used to argue against the 2nd Amendment's relevance in the 21st Century.
    I may have missed it but I don't recall hearing the rebuttal (I'm a little slow) that in 1791 when the 2nd Amendment was written, Flintlock Muskets WERE Assault Rifles and Weapons of War!
     
    It bugs the heck out of me when people talk about "Constitutional Rights". The Bill of Rights is really the "Bill of Restrictions". It's just that the restrictions are supposed to be on the Government. We were born with the right to worship how we want, say what's on our mind, hang out with whoever we want to, and defend ourselves and our loved ones using the best tools available.
     
    70-90 million people have been murdered by their governments worldwide in the 20th century alone, through orchestrated acts of political purges and genocides. That is relevance enough. And as the state becomes more powerful with more advanced tracking and surveillance technology, more deterrence is needed when they go apeshit.

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    1st amendment was for people talking at the town square and printed newspapers not computers, radio or satellite tv.
    This is the jist of it, the founding fathers knew very well that innovation and change would occur and intended the amendments to cover them as well. The list is endless, by that logic then any religion not known to the founders isn’t protected by the 1st, any technology invented after ratification that transmits information(computers, tv, internet, fax ect isn’t protected by the 1st, it goes on and on. The founders intended the 2nd amendment to cover all firearms for citizens especially those in use by the military, most of the founders wrote on this specifically so it’s not like their intentions can reasonably be disputed. Biden often states that the second amendment doesn’t cover a cannon which is blatantly false, the revolution was helped greatly by private citizens that were paid to use their private ships(which had nice big private cannons) of war during the fight, and in 1791 through almost two hundred more years you could own as many cannons as you wished. The reality is that the same people that say that the second amendment is only for muskets will use any irrational or untrue argument that benefits their world view. For the most part these are the same people who supported masks, quarantine by the government, lockdowns, censorship of anything said they disagree with, safe spaces, government intrusion into churches, and government spying on its own citizens. While at the same time they will quote chapter and verse if they believe a certain amendment benefits them, and invent amendments that don’t exist, two obvious examples are abortion and the separation of church and state, neither of which are found in the constitution. Their argument is inherently dishonest because they are trying to get around something that is plainly stated because it suits their own end, not because it has any intellectual merit. The bottom line is simple, the 2nd amendment was specifically designed to keep the same firearms in the hands of citizens that are in the hands of the government, and the library of congress has pages upon pages of documents where those who wrote the 2nd amendment stated that was exactly their intention. The only mistake the founders made was being brief and direct in writing the actual amendment assuming we couldn’t possibly screw up or not understand “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
     
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    I often hear the above used to argue against the 2nd Amendment's relevance in the 21st Century.
    I may have missed it but I don't recall hearing the rebuttal (I'm a little slow) that in 1791 when the 2nd Amendment was written, Flintlock Muskets WERE Assault Rifles and Weapons of War!
    Ask them if the first ammendment only applies to quills and parchment. Your rights remain your rights regardless of the tech you use.
     
    Repeating and breech loading guns were well known to the founders…. The Puckle Gun and Harmonica Rifle and the Bridge gun all predated even the French/Indian war.

    The left is just trying another hackneyed excuse. Remember the Constitution was written by old white guys. So it is racist and invalid.

    Reality is that gun control arose in this country to prevent slaves and urban poor from being armed while elite urban (Tammany Hall) and Southern Democrats kept their arms.

    It’s a tool of oppression and has been since the serfs were not allowed swords in Japan and the slaves of Rome could not touch a gladius (short sword) except while being dismembered for sport in a coliseum.

    It’s all empty arguments. Arms. Period. Not muskets. Arms. Privately owned frigates were allowed. Arms. You could buy a cannon any time, and many did. Arms. Wanted a browning 1919 in 1925? Order one. Arms.

    It’s all oppressive government that is eroding rights… instead of representing the people. And obeying their oath to preserve, protect and defend. Congress take that one, too.

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    I've yet to see an anti-2A article written with a quill pen. Funny how the use of technology that enables the 1A gets used to promote the idea that another Amendment only belongs in antiquated form.
    Oh, but what about those high capacity fountain pens that can write a whole page or two before reloading? And God forbid those dreaded bic ball points that can write for days and still be an armor piercing deadly weapon.
    I guess we should just ban writing;)
     
    Oh, but what about those high capacity fountain pens that can write a whole page or two before reloading? And God forbid those dreaded bic ball points that can write for days and still be an armor piercing deadly weapon.
    I guess we should just ban writing;)
    My yearbook quote was 'The pen is mightier than the sword... and I have a word processor."

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    Nonsense....it specifically says "Arms" and makes no mention of types of firearms and there were (and are still) lots of types of Arms when the 2A was penned. It says "....to keep and bear Arms *SHALL* not be infringed" and we all know what "Shall Not" means. It's not a suggestion or an open point. It's means what it says.

    It's not subject to interpretation or opinion. Keep and Bear Arms Shall. Not. Be Infringed.

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    It's a weak and desperate attempt at an argument.

    But, turn it around and use it to your advantage. When someone makes this statement your reply should be: "So you're admitting that the 2nd amendment was meant for civilians, not "militias"."
     
    I have had good luck dealing with Anti's and shutting them up by just telling them "I cannot comply with any unconstitutional laws as I am sworn to defend The Constitution against all enemies foreign or Domestic." "Like my wedding vows and being sworn to testify in a court of law, I do not take oaths sworn as a joke or not being of serious consequences. I do not lie, cheat, or steal and I sure as hell do not take oaths lightly. If you want my compliance, you'll have to amend The Constitution."

    "Good luck with that. I'll wait....."

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    I often hear the above used to argue against the 2nd Amendment's relevance in the 21st Century.
    I may have missed it but I don't recall hearing the rebuttal (I'm a little slow) that in 1791 when the 2nd Amendment was written, Flintlock Muskets WERE Assault Rifles and Weapons of War!

    My usual response to this line of thought is that most of the Cannons were privately owned. They were also included in this along with those Flintlock Muskets......... So I want cannons and ammo for them. Hell, I will even take a 1776 era cannon and ammo......... :ROFLMAO:

    This makes the Libtards freak out.
     
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    Indeed...not only allowed, but you could apply for Letters of Marque and go out and use that frigate and its cannons to take or destroy ships/land emplacements of whoever was considered the enemy of the day.
    And loot their cargoes! Privateering was a great Navy supplement.

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    Talking points inserted into the minds of ignorant people by......guess who? Those expressing their views using an amendment not containing the words "shall not be infringed"!
     
    My usual response to this line of thought is that most of the Cannons were privately owned. They were also included in this along with those Flintlock Muskets......... So I want cannons and ammo for them. Hell, I will even take a 1776 era cannon and ammo......... :ROFLMAO:

    This makes the Libtards freak out.
    Paging Sirhr, please pick up the white courtesy phone (oh shit is that racist, so pick up the rainbow courtesy phone).
    Can we get a group buy started on cannons and maybe armed frigates?
    I bet the German would like a frigate to add to his unterwasser navy.
    I'm thinking about just buying some schedule 180 pipe and making some throw away mobile howitzers out of Craftsman riding lawn mowers.:)
     
    Paging Sirhr, please pick up the white courtesy phone (oh shit is that racist, so pick up the rainbow courtesy phone).
    Can we get a group buy started on cannons and maybe armed frigates?
    I bet the German would like a frigate to add to his unterwasser navy.
    I'm thinking about just buying some schedule 180 pipe and making some throw away mobile howitzers out of Craftsman riding lawn mowers.:)
    Steen Cannons.

    As for the Frigates... there are some DEALS on yachts right now. Noone can afford to fill the tanks.

    As for modern stuff, it's just a Form 1 away!

    Sirhr
     
    Steen Cannons.

    As for the Frigates... there are some DEALS on yachts right now. Noone can afford to fill the tanks.

    As for modern stuff, it's just

    My usual response to this line of thought is that most of the Cannons were privately owned. They were also included in this along with those Flintlock Muskets......... So I want cannons and ammo for them. Hell, I will even take a 1776 era cannon and ammo......... :ROFLMAO:

    This makes the Libtards freak out.
    This guy gets it
     
    Yeah... but he still owes the world an apology for that "Wango the Tango" shit.

    Damn I can't get that stuff out of my head.

    And Cat Scratch Fever wasn't much better.

    He is an awesome American and we need more like him. But Wango Tango? Fuck that noise!

    Just 'sayin.

    Sirhr
     
    70-90 million people have been murdered by their governments worldwide in the 20th century alone, through orchestrated acts of political purges and genocides. That is relevance enough. And as the state becomes more powerful with more advanced tracking and surveillance technology, more deterrence is needed when they go apeshit.

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    If any of those 90 million people that were murdered by their governemnt were able to speak today, would they agree that gov’t as we know it is necessary for their safety and well being. I wonder what their family members would say?

    Does this 90 million number include the millions killed either directly or indirectly by their gov’t under the guise we all come to know as covid? What about those that will certainly die in the coming months because of the poison their just, benevolent, and necessary government leaders mandated with strokes of their pens and guns of their police? How do we keep up with this number for the sake of accuracy?
     
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    "Keep and Bear Arms" I'm an Constitutional Scholar , what the Founding Fathers meant by this phrase is that your allowed to workout and Bear your Arms to fight governmental tyranny.
     
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    These posts, AR VS AK, and caliber choice for CCW are the most pointless posts ever. There’s 7000 of each online. Lol
     
    Yeah... but he still owes the world an apology for that "Wango the Tango" shit.

    Damn I can't get that stuff out of my head.

    And Cat Scratch Fever wasn't much better.

    He is an awesome American and we need more like him. But Wango Tango? Fuck that noise!

    Just 'sayin.

    Sirhr
    Here, this should help.......

     
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    Those supporting the “2A Flintlock“ theory should consider the goals of the joining a group with similar goals, the true Whabbis in the Middle East: They desire to live in Mohammedan times (~600 AD) with no cars, electricity, pharmaceuticals, etc nothing that wasn’t available then.
     
    Those supporting the “2A Flintlock“ theory should consider the goals of the joining a group with similar goals, the true Whabbis in the Middle East: They desire to live in Mohammedan times (~600 AD) with no cars, electricity, pharmaceuticals, etc nothing that wasn’t available then.
    Or Flintlocks...

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    And let's not forget this.
    The hand mortar is a firearm and early predecessor of modern grenade launchers[1] that was used in the late 17th century and 18th century to throw fused grenades. The action was similar to a flintlock, matchlock, or wheellock firearm (depending on the date of production), but the barrel was short, usually 2 inches (5 cm) to 4 inches (10 cm) long (though some are reported to have barrels up to 13 inches (33 cm) long), and had a large bore to accommodate the grenade; usually between 2 and 2.5 inches (5 to 6 cm).[2]
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    I often hear the above used to argue against the 2nd Amendment's relevance in the 21st Century.
    I may have missed it but I don't recall hearing the rebuttal (I'm a little slow) that in 1791 when the 2nd Amendment was written, Flintlock Muskets WERE Assault Rifles and Weapons of War!
    And even today you would not want to get hit with a hunk of lead from a black powder rifle.
     
    One would think that in this day and age with the COVID people would clean their hands. So much for flying cars!!

    That's a cool piece.
    Those are clean.

    Actual picture of my hands after a day filing and lapping parts.

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    Taken by a newspaper photographer for an article on area “craftsmen.” Yeah, right. Fancy term for mechanic.

    Sirhr
     
    You need to go to one of those manicure places. They'd treat you like a 350 lb guy walking into an all you can eat Chinese buffet.
    Those are clean.

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    Taken by a newspaper photographer for an article on area “craftsmen.” Yeah, right. Fancy term for mechanic.

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