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30 cal vs 338 cal.. elr light gun & king of 1 mile
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How did that happen? if you were going to build a rifle anyways 33XC would have been a better choice for light gun/ Ko1m
Oh ya I forgot you wanted to do NF, shooting a 33 out there would be a bit much. You'll be happy with the norma
I second the 338 Norma improved, great caliber, extremely efficient if you are willing to do the work.
I went 300 norma improved for now. But most likely I will add a 338 norma improved barrel to the mix later on
I'm 100% determined not to buy a 375 ct until I can win a light ELR match with my ax338
I never learned the reloading process, and it seems to be the perfect time to start. For me, getting the .375 is overkill. I have nowhere to use it, as I live in California. Secondly, without reloading, .375 bullet prices are insane.
However i love to be able and use it , when we move to a free state
I really enjoyed shooting my first elr light class match at Raton. I don't have a huge amount of match experience besides shooting the nightforce twice but I loved this style of match. It was very laid back And fun. All the people there were very nice And helpful and I never felt out of place or that it was a cut throat situation. I'm not saying the nightforce match is that way the people there are very nice as well.
I think this style has really bit me and want to expand maybe into the longer 1.64 mile and spring canyon match. I loved the match style and how they are ran. Now Raton was a very tricky wind the day I shot at least that's how I felt about it and gave me some head scatchers for sure. Huge shout out to @Raven mad1 for helping me out and spotting for me.
I can definitely see a bigger caliber in my future! Unfortunately I didn't hit the 2650 target but missed it by inches and I definitely want to make an impact on it. I did hit the 2265 plate which is the farthest I've ever shot and ever hit.
I think this style has really bit me and want to expand maybe into the longer 1.64 mile and spring canyon match. I loved the match style and how they are ran. Now Raton was a very tricky wind the day I shot at least that's how I felt about it and gave me some head scatchers for sure. Huge shout out to @Raven mad1 for helping me out and spotting for me.
I can definitely see a bigger caliber in my future! Unfortunately I didn't hit the 2650 target but missed it by inches and I definitely want to make an impact on it. I did hit the 2265 plate which is the farthest I've ever shot and ever hit.
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I need to build a new light for my wife soon. How does 33xc and 300nm compare on barrel life? I was thinking about same? She likes Norma even in a tac rifle weight, but I haven't any 338/33s to get her to try and she will not try out either of my heavies to make me feel great about 33/338 options in a 24-25 pounder.
Really 300nm/nmi and 33xc seem like the most valid routes currently.
For nmi are most in this thread using a hydro die to form?
Really 300nm/nmi and 33xc seem like the most valid routes currently.
For nmi are most in this thread using a hydro die to form?
Barrel life is really affected by a lot of things, but, generally, most shooters I know this season shooting the 300NMAI are getting around 700 rounds out of a Barrel (some a little less, some a little more). I certainly can't speak for anyone, and individual experiences may very.... But, 700 is a good number if you are running at or just over 3000fps. (again, there are all kinds of variables to this). For example, I have never personally had a 33xc barrel shoot good past 600 rounds, and really they have all seemed to begin to fade around 450 rounds. With that said, I have a good friend who swears his 33xc is still shooting well with 1000 rounds on the barrel.
Valid routes, once again, I am going to be really careful here, a lot of shooters have very different experiences and I do not want to espouse an opinion solely based on my own experience as if it was the end all be all definitive answer to every situation..... With that said, it seems to me that we generally look at what "successful" shooters are using for a cartridge and migrate toward that as if the cartridge is the reason for their success. The 33xc and the 300nmai are great examples of 33cal and 30cal performance, they each can produce very good performance by the numbers. A cartridge is only part of the answer when it comes to winning matches though. Good example, Mike Collins finished in Second place on Friday at the Raton Thunder 1.64 heavy gun match with a 300nmai shooting against 416s, 375s, and even a 460styer. Now, they were "only" shooting out to 2800y, but he was competitive and effective in that match with a far inferior cartridge "performance" wise. The other view of this, there is enough performance in that cartridge to be competitive against the big cartridges if it is utilized correctly.
Most shooters I know are fire forming and not using the Hydro die for the 300nmai.
Respectfully
Thanks. Totally agree that it's not all about cart at all. Looking to replace a 6.5prc as this use case.
Thanks on life feedback about what I thought and consider same-ish. I'm leaning that regular 300nm might be a fine next step.
Thanks on life feedback about what I thought and consider same-ish. I'm leaning that regular 300nm might be a fine next step.
There are a lot of good options, and I am not poo-pooing the 300nmai, it's a great cartridge. Fun fact, Mike C. is running 245gr. Bergers out of his 300nmai in the mid-2900fps, and he is obviously very competitive..... SSSOOOOOO, there are a few other cartridges that will also push a 245gr. Berger at those velocities without going over pressure....... The 300nmai does have the ability to push that 245 Berger into the low mid 3000s though.
Stability = consistency = rounds on target
Are most comp shooters using the 245 LRHT vs the EOL? Still have a few hundred EOL left + 250 Atips left but looking hard at the 245 LRHT, even though I love the Atips in my 300nm
It's a toss-up. The LRHT comes tipped, so it saves you from having to buy an expensive die and tip EOLs. But, I know shooters who shoot EOLs, and others that shoot LRHTs. I think it's barrel-specific, some shoot 1 better than the other. I've also never shot the 250Atips, but that's not because I think they are not as good, I just have a stack of 245gr. LRHTs on the shelf (don't give up what you know for what you don't know)
I shot a 300 norma improved and felt like it did pretty good. Only time I felt under gunned with splash was 2650 yards but I'm sure that had more to do with me and I've never shot that far before. I made some mistakes after thinking about it afterwards but obviously the 300 norma improved 245 will do good specially if that guy took second at the 2800 yard target match. In light class I'm not sure a bigger 338 will give that much advantage over the big 30 cal. For the other matches I definitely think moving up is always better. But I'm already itching to get back for that 2650 yard target. Next time I will have a load that is shooting faster.
Great question. I shot at an ELR match in July and two of the guys were shooting the 300Sherman and just loved it. I thought I understand the improvement included more case volume but then someone else suggested that maybe it was a little shorter to achieve better efficiency and performance.
Bottom line is that I would like to understand more about the cartridge as well.
They use a 40 degree shoulder. It's a 300 prc improved pretty much an ackley. It's very close to 30 nosler h2o I think it's around 97 or so 30 nosler has like 99 if I remember correctly. Most guys single feed because there longer.
I sure like my 30 Nosler Alamo built... I am single feeding 245gr. Berger LRHT @ 2942fps out of a 30" barrel.
Peterson Brass / H1000 / Remi. 9.5M primers. I do know that my ADG brass has 3 gr. less internal H2o capacity compared to the Peterson brass.
30 SM is a 300 PRC with a 40 deg shoulder and pushed ahead a little bit, and case taper reduced. I am very happy with mine 250 A-tips at 2975fps (32" tube) I haven't shot any light matches yet but I've shot KRG and NF matches a couple times and it's perfect there. I've got a 338 Edge barrel I plan to put on if I shoot a light match but I haven't shot that barrel at all yet.
