F T/R Competition 308 barrel life for F class?

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    I've always hears that 308s will go forever (almost) before they need a re-barrel, but I imagine that the game we play takes a heavier toll on them. I've noticed that once I get dialed in I tend to hammer before the conditions shift again.

    Running reasonably hot loads, and firing quick strings has got to be harder on them.

    I would imagine I can get at least 4000, is that reasonable, or does the accuracy fall off sooner?
     
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    Good question. I have heard of people shooting accurately well into the 5000 range. If you go to the accurateshooter.com website there is a roundcount excel program you can use to get some idea of your barrel life depending on the type of powder, bullet diameter, and other variables.

    Chris
     
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    I had a discussion about this a while back with a Palma shooter who was wind-coaching for us... he thought that with the smaller X/10-ring that the 'competitive' life might be shorter, down to 3500-4000rds from the 5k+ that they normally expected from a Palma gun.

    I've been 'retiring' my barrels around 3000-3500rds... none have started shooting bad, but with the new generation of 155gn bullets having such short bearing surfaces, the lands were getting awful hard to reach and keep *any* bearing surface in the neck.

    I'm starting to look at moving to 185gn bullets for some stuff... might have to dust off some of those 'retired' barrels and give them another whirl...
     
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    One shooter told me that the way he can tell is his scores stay the same but the X count starts to drop.


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    <span style="font-style: italic">Edit, somehow I completely mangled that statement the first time.</span></span>
     
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    Your close we and i mean the guys i shoot with. We get right at 3000 per barrel. That for some does not mean the barrel is shot out. It means for us less Xs less 10s more 9s. It use to be 1 MOA for F/TR would work. Not anymore



    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 280man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im not a TR shooter but im pretty sure your number will be closer to 2500 if your string firing like we do in the US. </div></div>
     
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    It's very much down to the quality of the barrel, type of load, how fast you shoot and how much you 'clean' the barrel. I've seen barrels run less that 2000rds because the owners insisted on over-cleaning and some slow-firers with medium loads go into the 7000+ range. There is no correct answer, really. Perhaps a ballpark for hot loads and average speed of shooting is about 3-4K.
     
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    Won't a lot of it depend on the quality of the barrel? I mean if you shoot hot loads in a stock 1:12 remington barrel compared to let's say a kreiger the Kreiger will run longer? I personally don't know but I've just heard quality barrels run longer. Btw I shoot standard fgmm 175g so I hopeto get tons of life.
     
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    basically, don't get attched sentimentally to your barrels and remember, if it has tits, tires or rifling, sooner or later you got to replace it.
    cheers.
     
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    I just shot a 3x600 f class match this weekend. I've NEVER been harder on a barrel before. 90* day and 20 shots in 5-10 minutes had my barrel way too hot to touch. I felt bad at first - but who cares? Ill have to buy a new barrel in a year or two. $250/year for barrels ain't no thing.
     
    Re: 308 barrel life for F class?

    "308 barrel life for F-Class" ???


    This has been a question that has been asked for as long as I remember. And a good one, although difficult to answer. For example, all answers above are correct. I will add even more, as I can personally attest to good 308Palma barrels lasting up to 11,000 rounds (although very uncommon). Being uncommon, I will bypass the circumstances of such examples (for now), which in my book, deserve a serious chapter by itself.

    If you really need a short, and specific (and scientific) answer, the correct one would be 3.5 - 5 seconds (caliber specific). End of story.

    For us Palma shooters (and does apply to FTR/F-Class as well), it is rather common to change barrels after 3,500 recorded rounds. No questions asked, it is an accepted scenario which is religiously followed, and just done. Then, there are those few, that will remain shooting up to about 5,000 rounds, or so, after having re-chambered at around 3,000 recorded rounds. It works.

    The major consensus is that no Palma shooter in his right mind would risk a drop on X count in a middle of a major competition, here, or overseas. Imagine going to a major competition, paying $4 - $6,000 on match fees, airplane, car, hotel, ammo, food, etc, only to have your barrel go haywire at the last minute, ouch. A new Palma/F-Class barrel today costs around $525 - $650 installed, are you going to risk all?

    Many of us Palma shooters purchase more than 1 barrel at a time, and have a good selection in stock. Some have one or two back up rifles. The "hummers" are selected for important competitions, and the others for minor ones, or practice. Mind you, we can possibly win most any major competition with the "others", just the same, but find the "hummers" to enjoy an uncommon characteristic that separate them into a particular category, all of their own. These can portray a small advantage in X - count, shorter elevation spreads, extreme forgiveness during bad calls, reduced throat erosion (a big plus when it is a good barrel), etc.

    Remember, in a 3.5 - 5 second barrel, the barrel is either going to be shooting better, or shooting worst, but never enjoy a happy medium, sorry. It takes an experienced shooter to quickly denote the cross line. The quicker, the better.

    And then again, there are those even fewer, that are always trying to push the envelope. Some affirm to be able to maintain continued X - count up to 5 - 6,000 recorded rounds. I've seen "some" of them do it. And then there is even a smaller group that find themselves continuously researching ways to extract even more life, with sustained accuracy, out of their extraordinary barrels, but most times unsuccessfully.

    Yet, those that have successfully extracted additional life out of their barrels, have done so through a scientifically (read: trial and error) developed process, from which they never divert. This usually implies a particular cleaning method, on particular high quality barrels, use of multiple (different) loading formulas, which include use of different bullet manufacturers (only 155 weight). It works, but does the word "anal" means anything to you?

    I have witnessed and experienced even further <span style="text-decoration: underline">life</span> increase using particular heat treating processes of the barrel. But it is the <span style="text-decoration: underline">accuracy life increase</span> I need to witness for a third time in a row, before I finally submit to the evidence.

    So as you see, there is truly never a direct answer to this question, other than the commonly accepted standards by which most professional shooters live by.

    Sorry for the somewhat long answer to your question,

    Andy