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Got pretty lucky that bullet didn't do crazy shit after it impacted the computer.
Super brave... Right past the end of supersonic flight for the 308
His name was Sterling? lol danger zone
Fuck, that was my bank when I lived in Ft Myers and I had a pert-time job in the shopping center right there. Glad I don’t live there anymore…
My skepticism thinks he didn't take the bore / scope offset into account. But that's just me. 
Any idea why they wouldn’t use a tripod instead of off the guys shoulder?
Assuming from the video it might be 25 yards or less. Head shot.
So like a 30 moa target size?
Assuming from the video it might be 25 yards or less. Head shot.
So like a 30 moa target size?
If she breaks wind, blows an air biscuit, does that add to the mirage?
Have done/seen more than a few barrier shots.
Car windshield to target on seat, dead on.
3 plus feet from barrier to target.
Wasn't at significant angle to barrier from firing position.
Would think windshield would offer much more barrier density.
Double barrier may have different effect.
R
Looks like a chick, but it’s actually two dudes shooting their Creedmoors.
Maybe so. Or maybe they got it from the backfire challenge video where he rested on the guys rump?
Sterling be needin' bank. Please give muthafukin' generously and sheeit!
I can say that I practiced and knew exactly what the "sight line" to "bore line" at close ranges and some LEO qualifications had that with targets at 25 to 200 yards. I shot different targets and barriers. Auto glass, walls with drywall, and various other things. Each one was with my "duty" ammo. Id experiment with various ammo brands from time to time to test and trial to see what might be possible.
I would bet a paycheck that the need to take that shot evolved very fast making the need for shooting off a shoulder. Plus thats my guess on the shot through the monitor. No LEO that I know of would take an intentional shot through an object you can't see through. As LEO, you have to consider the lability of that unknow deflection of the monitor.
This one worked out, but I'd say there was a lot of luck and good juju on that one.
I would bet a paycheck that the need to take that shot evolved very fast making the need for shooting off a shoulder. Plus thats my guess on the shot through the monitor. No LEO that I know of would take an intentional shot through an object you can't see through. As LEO, you have to consider the lability of that unknow deflection of the monitor.
This one worked out, but I'd say there was a lot of luck and good juju on that one.
Yes. However, in certain situations it can be a helpful indicator of tricky environmental conditions that might otherwise go unaccounted for. If you’re not using everything at your disposal as a tool, you’re wrong.
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As soon as I saw it, ‘he didn’t account for offset’….no way he meant to shoot the monitor. Glad it worked out
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Not exactly hard target interdiction.
Are you so sure? Many PR comps have done short range shots like this, I'm sure a pro. was taking that into consideration.
If you slow video watch speed to 0.5 speed, you can actually watch both gray & white elements (brain matter, bone, +/- drywall?) fly backwards from his head and both side of the screen - you can see @ 1:47 back of her hair, back of other hostage back/shoulder, and "new" things on the carpet.
Some dork on another forum claimed he went to a police sniper competition where some targets were pencil erasers at 75 yards. Was he exaggerating or outright lying?
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Shooting through the Windshield of a Car - Crimson Trace Gunsite Event - The Truth About Guns
One of the things we did this week at the Crimson Trace / Ruger / Safarilant / Leupold / DoubleTap Gunsite event was shooting through intermediate barriers. Part of that was shooting through a windshield to see how much a bullet will deflect (change direction) when it moves through that rather...
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Most (all) cops know that even a thick, safety glass, front windshield doesn't deflect a bullet much at all (especially when the target is a couple of feet behind it). It can cause jacket separation, but in a gun fight who fucking cares? A computer monitor is about 1/100 as strong. Whether he meant to do it or not, the monitor really didn't pose any danger, and it's a pretty safe guess if you can see the top of the perps head the rest of it is going to be behind it.
I'd say the biggest factor was that it was a .308, 150gr+ projectile, which is why it was probably a good idea to punch his ticked from zero range with that through a barrier.
Whatever plusses and minuses were there I think the shooter had to make a decision and he made a good call. We would probably Monday-Morning-Quarterback him if it wasn't a CNS/DRT, but there you go. I honestly have no idea, but if they don't train at those sub-distances they probably should.
I have never shot a field match with a super close target, but I've looked at some courses of fire that had them. To be honest, NRL22 matches are the only time I've ever dialed under on a stage. Most of the time I'll hold under, but for instance the first stage of the June COF has one KYL at 35yds, and it's just easier to dial -.4 to center punch those tiny targets rather than holding under.
Assuming you don't have a zero stop set. Another thing to keep in mind.Shooting through the Windshield of a Car - Crimson Trace Gunsite Event - The Truth About Guns
One of the things we did this week at the Crimson Trace / Ruger / Safarilant / Leupold / DoubleTap Gunsite event was shooting through intermediate barriers. Part of that was shooting through a windshield to see how much a bullet will deflect (change direction) when it moves through that rather...
Most (all) cops know that even a thick, safety glass, front windshield doesn't deflect a bullet much at all (especially when the target is a couple of feet behind it). It can cause jacket separation, but in a gun fight who fucking cares? A computer monitor is about 1/100 as strong. Whether he meant to do it or not, the monitor really didn't pose any danger, and it's a pretty safe guess if you can see the top of the perps head the rest of it is going to be behind it.
I'd say the biggest factor was that it was a .308, 150gr+ projectile, which is why it was probably a good idea to punch his ticked from zero range with that through a barrier.
Whatever plusses and minuses were there I think the shooter had to make a decision and he made a good call. We would probably Monday-Morning-Quarterback him if it wasn't a CNS/DRT, but there you go. I honestly have no idea, but if they don't train at those sub-distances they probably should.
I have never shot a field match with a super close target, but I've looked at some courses of fire that had them. To be honest, NRL22 matches are the only time I've ever dialed under on a stage. Most of the time I'll hold under, but for instance the first stage of the June COF has one KYL at 35yds, and it's just easier to dial -.4 to center punch those tiny targets rather than holding under.
Shooting through the Windshield of a Car - Crimson Trace Gunsite Event - The Truth About Guns
One of the things we did this week at the Crimson Trace / Ruger / Safarilant / Leupold / DoubleTap Gunsite event was shooting through intermediate barriers. Part of that was shooting through a windshield to see how much a bullet will deflect (change direction) when it moves through that rather...
Most (all) cops know that even a thick, safety glass, front windshield doesn't deflect a bullet much at all (especially when the target is a couple of feet behind it). It can cause jacket separation, but in a gun fight who fucking cares? A computer monitor is about 1/100 as strong. Whether he meant to do it or not, the monitor really didn't pose any danger, and it's a pretty safe guess if you can see the top of the perps head the rest of it is going to be behind it.
I'd say the biggest factor was that it was a .308, 150gr+ projectile, which is why it was probably a good idea to punch his ticked from zero range with that through a barrier.
Whatever plusses and minuses were there I think the shooter had to make a decision and he made a good call. We would probably Monday-Morning-Quarterback him if it wasn't a CNS/DRT, but there you go. I honestly have no idea, but if they don't train at those sub-distances they probably should.
I have never shot a field match with a super close target, but I've looked at some courses of fire that had them. To be honest, NRL22 matches are the only time I've ever dialed under on a stage. Most of the time I'll hold under, but for instance the first stage of the June COF has one KYL at 35yds, and it's just easier to dial -.4 to center punch those tiny targets rather than holding under.
I still have a target on my wall from a match target I had to shoot at 10 feet… mover started on report.
Great fun with a TRG with a 5x25 USO Tpal on it. But we had practiced short offset shots a LOT… and my .30 bullet is almost right in the center of a roughly .33 hole. Hitting close was practice. Centering it was some luck. But lots of guys were not even close.
Good courses and competitions send you home to work on things. I went home from that one knowing that my “mover” game was weak. Honestly still is unless we are talking minute-of-deer.
I’ll post picture when I get up to my loading room.
Sirhr
PS other thing I got smoked on at that match was over-water shots. There some really different dynamics there. And 700ish yards over water looked easy when the target was about a 12” splash plate with a clay bird in it. Yeah… not if you don’t have your dope over water.
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As a firearms instructor and LEO sniper, I can say competitions are by design intended to push abilities. Erasers at 75 yards definitely could be possible. I would expect some would miss and certainly be bragging rights.
I get -3.3 mils @ 15 yds, and -5.6 mils @ 10 yds, and -12.5 mils @ 5 yds using my solver for my own .308 load. That's sounds pretty extreme, but it isn't really.
As was pointed out, at that range a human head is a gigantic target, and the difference in POI is tiny. 12.5 mils at 5 yds has to be getting close to the 2.5" scope height (must be very parallax bottomed out blurry).
That close I'm not going to be thinking about mils, but rather the height of the scope, and just figuring on holding about 2" under on his face where I want an impact. I think it's only a vexing shot because I never do it. I think one trip to the range could cure any hesitancy.
A pencil is 1/4" wide. So, @ 75yds that's a 1/3 MOA target. Seems to me that's going to be more the consistency of the gun than the marksman.
That sort of thing was killin' me at NRL22 before I started shooting the Vudoo.
Basically, know the height of the center line of your scope over the center line of your bore.. this number is called your “mechanical Offset.”
Let’s say it’s 2.5”.
So at 10 yards… 2.5” over your intended poi. The bullet won’t have started its “up” travel very far in that short a distance. (Technically it is not going “up” but is moving “up” in relation to the line of sight. If zeroed at 100 it will have gone “up” 1/4”. So almost irrelevant.
Don’t think about it in mils. Get a bore/scope measurement in inches or cm or anatomy… and at super close range…. Hold that high. BTW even at 5x zoom, the target may not be in focus. Keep that in mind when selecting LE scopes where average engagement range is 75ish yards.
So mils?? You don’t care. Wing it. At that range…. 2.5 inches means that holding on the hair line puts your round through the bridge of the nose. Holding on bridge of nose puts through upper lip.
Visualize where the medulla is. If you are shooting up or down, you want your bullet path to transit the medulla. Picture a long needle going through the head, passing through the medulla. Hold accordingly based on scope height.
Cheers,
Sirhr
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I've shot 22 matches with troop lines going from 14y to 250. It's crazy how many missed the close one. There's no getting around dialing you parallax along with elevation.Shooting through the Windshield of a Car - Crimson Trace Gunsite Event - The Truth About Guns
One of the things we did this week at the Crimson Trace / Ruger / Safarilant / Leupold / DoubleTap Gunsite event was shooting through intermediate barriers. Part of that was shooting through a windshield to see how much a bullet will deflect (change direction) when it moves through that rather...
Most (all) cops know that even a thick, safety glass, front windshield doesn't deflect a bullet much at all (especially when the target is a couple of feet behind it). It can cause jacket separation, but in a gun fight who fucking cares? A computer monitor is about 1/100 as strong. Whether he meant to do it or not, the monitor really didn't pose any danger, and it's a pretty safe guess if you can see the top of the perps head the rest of it is going to be behind it.
I'd say the biggest factor was that it was a .308, 150gr+ projectile, which is why it was probably a good idea to punch his ticked from zero range with that through a barrier.
Whatever plusses and minuses were there I think the shooter had to make a decision and he made a good call. We would probably Monday-Morning-Quarterback him if it wasn't a CNS/DRT, but there you go. I honestly have no idea, but if they don't train at those sub-distances they probably should.
I have never shot a field match with a super close target, but I've looked at some courses of fire that had them. To be honest, NRL22 matches are the only time I've ever dialed under on a stage. Most of the time I'll hold under, but for instance the first stage of the June COF has one KYL at 35yds, and it's just easier to dial -.4 to center punch those tiny targets rather than holding under.
I thought gofundme didn't allow fundraisers for those who were committing felonies when they died, or were arrested....or is that only for white people and non-democrats?
Branden
I'm willing to bet that shooter had a clear view just over the top of that monitor of the suspect, and didn't account for height over bore. Maybe i'm wrong, but I think there was a significant amount of luck with that shot. One less shitbag in the world though. Problem solved, problem staying solved.
Branden
Branden
Depends on what dinner was. Veggie stir fry, fruit, & water is probably not too bad. Boiled eggs, bean burrito, & quart of gin may not get off the ground
The shooter may or may not have considered bore height. I can say from testing this theory that it’s much easier to shoot through a windshield into a car and hit a target than it is to shoot out of a car through the windshield and hit a target. The science is the distance the target is from the screen or windshield or whatever the obstacle is. Something thin and flimsy like a computer vs a 168 grain 308 and the computer being close to the perp results in a headshot. From what I’ve trained in the tacticool world I can tell you that people get hung up too much on an obstacle in the way. I’ve seen guys trying to shoot past a clipboard at a threat target as if 1/8” of compressed cardboard will even stop a 380.
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